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Author:  nafajo [ Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:28 pm ]
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Honest Abe was the best president. He's an honest politician and that's saying a lot. Yep. I don't know why I'm here, I'm Canadian. Who was the greatest Canadiam Prime Minister?
Author:  ModestlyHotGirl [ Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:51 pm ]
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Um, Paul Martin! No, Jean Chretien!

Seriously, Trudeau.
Author:  Evin290 [ Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:13 am ]
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Come on, MHG! Jaccques Cousteau is totally the best!
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I hate people who don't know anything about Canada. I'm an American, but at least I understand stuff about our neighbor to the north. My sister and her family live there. I think that it's radiculous how most Canadians know who the president of the U.S. is, but most Americans don't know who the prime minister of Canada is. And another thing is that a lot of the news on Canadian TV (or at least what I've seen from visiting my sister) is about the U.S. However, almost none of the U.S. news is about Canada. I don't really understand vast knowledge difference. Do most Americans consider Canada as some kind of U.S. territory? I dunno...
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Sorry for straying off topic. I actually recently asked a kid at my school who the prime minister of Canada is. He said what I jokingly said at the beginning of this post. I'm serious... :eek:
Author:  ModestlyHotGirl [ Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:59 am ]
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Yup, it's pretty annoying. But I guess part of it has to do with the fact that we get tons of US TV stations. That's why we're better informed. What American would ever watch CBC? Man, you guys are missing out on Hockey Night in Canada... Not that it exists right now - we have Movie Night in Canada instead. :eek:
Author:  Smorky [ Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:04 am ]
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Definitely Martin Van Buren.

The Cheat wrote:
Now turn that camera off before I throw this bust of Van Buren at it.
Author:  Simon Zeno [ Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:06 am ]
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You know, if Howard Dean had been elected, he would've been the best President ever. I'd love to hear his inaugural address:

"It is a great honor that the American people have chosen me to represent them in this time of need. RAAAAAGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!"
Author:  DanBo [ Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:50 pm ]
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What if Jimmy Dean was elected?

Best President: Look thirty years ahead when a lovable, tough, and well-spoken man comes into office. His name: That's right, John Stamos
Author:  Didymus [ Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:57 pm ]
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Well, you all know who gets MY vote:

Google
Author:  Jitka [ Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:02 pm ]
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Me.

No, seriously, I have to say Eisenhower or Kennedy, just because my grandfather was on their bodyguard detail in the Army.

(And I know who the PM of Canada is! Paul Martin!)
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:56 am ]
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ModestlyHotGirl wrote:
Yup, it's pretty annoying. But I guess part of it has to do with the fact that we get tons of US TV stations. That's why we're better informed. What American would ever watch CBC? Man, you guys are missing out on Hockey Night in Canada... Not that it exists right now - we have Movie Night in Canada instead. :eek:
At my summer home in the Adirondacks I get CBC it's part of basic cable there is no Hockey night in Canada when I am up there but the do show the CFL.
Author:  ModestlyHotGirl [ Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:49 pm ]
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Beyond the Grave wrote:
At my summer home in the Adirondacks. . .


Bah, you'll never be a true Canadian if you keep saying "summer home", no matter how much CBC you watch.

It's "camp", or "cottage" in the southern parts. ;)
Author:  Tngl [ Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:52 pm ]
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ramrod wrote:
thefreakyblueman wrote:
Tngl wrote:
Ronald Reagan.

He ended the Cold War peacefully, boosted the economy,modernized the military.

Rather, he tripled the national debt by doing the other two things. (Though, he did lower inflation in the country)
Only for the economy to fall faster then a fat guy jumping out a window. Inflatation did rise right near the end of his tenure.

As you can see by this chart, the GDP seems to fall at/near the end of every presidential administration.
Author:  Alehandro [ Sun May 01, 2005 10:37 pm ]
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ramrod wrote:
thefreakyblueman wrote:

Rather, he tripled the national debt by doing the other two things. (Though, he did lower inflation in the country)
Only for the economy to fall faster then a fat guy jumping out a window. Inflatation did rise right near the end of his tenure.


Would you rather have had the USSR breathing down our necks with nukes... or have the price of wall-mart stock go down 30 cents?
:ehsteve:
good points tngl
:cheatgrin:
Author:  Evin290 [ Sun May 01, 2005 11:57 pm ]
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The Soviet Union wasn't really planning to nuke us during the time of the Reagan Administration. Detente was just ending, but that doesn't mean that our relationship with the Soviets went back to the extreme that it was during the 60's.
Author:  DanBo [ Mon May 02, 2005 5:09 pm ]
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The problem I have with Reagan is he is credited with the fall of Communism, something that started with the Russian-Afghani War in the 1970s. Now, granted, the Commies did fall apart during his tenure due to economic stress. But can he personally be credited with the economic situation that ended the Commies? That's like saying Clinton personally burst the blue-chip bubble in the 90's, or Hoover caused the Great Depression. Fact is, presidents have little to no impact on current economic situations (excluding FDR..he put his nose in everything...). They can push for legislature, but that's about it. Bush can tout the new social security plan, but that's up to 537 other people to decide. Reagan did not destroy Communism. Congress did through unhindered military spending based on a plan that had come from the huge decline of post-Vietnam military prestige. The JCS and head honchos in the military wanted to make a name for themselves in the world as a reliable, powerful, and dominating force. Congress liked the idea, conviced Reagan, (not the other way around) and boom, huge deficits, a smaller inflation rate, the world's largest Navy, blah blah...history.
What people tend to forget is what we paid for abroad...
The reason the CCCP fell was its economy; our containment plan was just to large to defend because we made sacrifices at home. But within that shortsighted containment plan we made our biggest mistake. Who did we help out to rid the world of Communism? You all know, Saddam, Osama...but that's a completely different story.
The reason I say that is because in the fight to destroy Communism we made even more enemies, regardless of the validity of their reasons of hating us. I hate to say it, but with Communists in Russia, the world was stabler. They used strong-arm tactics to keep their territories in control (Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Afghanistan), which kept relative peace (however inhumane), and with the nuclear Mexican standoff, there was actually a safety net. No one would actually push the button in offense unless prompted otherwise (large, world-wars included).
We may have defeated Russian Communism, but in doing so, we lost face in a world defined by ever-increasing polarization. We may be the most stable superpower, but they still hate us for leaving them behind for our own prosperity. Also, in the declination of CCCP, the WMDs that kept Americans up at night were kept under the loosest watch, and now we are afraid of terrorists getting their hands on these WMDs and using them against us, without us knowing when or where. We could check on the Russians to see what they were up to. But now, it's increasingly more and more difficult to track the enemies. Guerilla warfare's a nasty thing.
In our economic stranglehold that destroyed CCCP, we changed the way the military fights, our international respect (let's face it, no one likes the rich guy), and increased our "US haters". Conventional war is out the window now, and everyone is paying for the shortsighted plan to "outspend" the enemy.
Author:  GrandMasterSexay [ Mon May 02, 2005 8:38 pm ]
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you may not agree with me but i say JFK all the way :trogdor:
Author:  TURKEY [ Sun May 22, 2005 5:12 am ]
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ModestlyHotGirl wrote:
Yup, it's pretty annoying. But I guess part of it has to do with the fact that we get tons of US TV stations. That's why we're better informed. What American would ever watch CBC?


Me. Every night at 9 Central. Even watched the Cricket World Cup AND the General Elections on there. Stupid minority government. They took the fun out of it.

Anyway, getting back to the point, I'd say Roosevelt for leading a country for two of the biggest problems facing a country in history. Never mind he passed the burden of WWII to Henry Stimson. In fact, good job for backing off of a tight spot and giving it to someone qualified.
Author:  Simon Zeno [ Sun May 22, 2005 5:15 pm ]
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I'm going with James K. Polk, because that's who Brak voted for on Survivor...
Author:  Firebert02 [ Sun May 22, 2005 10:58 pm ]
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I Would Go With A Tie Between FDR And JFK

JFK Got Us To The MOo0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0N

:cheat:
Author:  Queenie-C [ Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:04 pm ]
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I'll vote for Teddy Roosevelt. He established ground-breaking anti-trust laws, environmental protections, and amazingly progressive labor laws. He was rather imperialistic, though, what with taking over the Panama Canal and things. If not him, I'll also vote for FDR. His administration was a fascinating thing, doing a great many things for a great many people. So progressive. And his wife was an awesome lady. He did have a mistress, though, which was totally not cool. Let us not gloss over the pluses and minuses of government -- every administration has both.

I know who I won't vote for, though. Definitely NOT Jefferson, who made a mistress of a slave, and then upon his death, freed only her and their children -- but none of the others. Definitely NOT Grant, whose administration was THE most corrupt of any we've yet had. Definitely NOT Jackson, who actually permitted the Trail of Tears and, in fact, the near-annihilation of all Native Americans. I loathe Jackson, actually. Every time I see a twenty I want to smush it.
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:11 pm ]
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It's Lincoln, folks. If you can lead a country through a war with itself and do it brilliantly, you are great leader.
Author:  Jitka [ Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:11 pm ]
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Uh, Queenie...if you don't like twenties, you could always, you know, send them to me. I promise to dispose of them properly.
Author:  StrongCanada [ Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:34 pm ]
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Queenie-C wrote:
Definitely NOT Jackson, who actually permitted the Trail of Tears and, in fact, the near-annihilation of all Native Americans. I loathe Jackson, actually. Every time I see a twenty I want to smush it.


I actually have a friend who writes "Trail of Tears" on 20s every time he gets them. I think he's got a good idea going.
Author:  Evin290 [ Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:14 pm ]
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Queenie-C wrote:
Definitely NOT Jefferson, who made a mistress of a slave, and then upon his death, freed only her and their children

He actually really wanted freedom for slaves, but at that time too many people would have opposed it. He owned slaves, but treated them very well. And he actually fell deeply in love with the woman who was his mistress, as he wrote in his diaries.
Author:  Mr. Prancy-time [ Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:56 pm ]
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It's Lincoln. No doubt about it. He led us through a civil war even though he was hated by many people, in the south and north. I don't think anyone else would have been able to do his job working 16 hours a day under that stress and still get us out of a war.

For those of you who say JFK, how was he great? He wasn't a good role model with all his horrible immorality, that's for sure.
Author:  Jitka [ Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:39 pm ]
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tapelegguy wrote:
For those of you who say JFK, how was he great? He wasn't a good role model with all his horrible immorality, that's for sure.


Well, for one, he made great strides for civil rights, he tried to keep our involvement in Vietnam to a minimum, and he prevented a nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

How's that, for starters?
Author:  Evin290 [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:05 pm ]
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Mr. Cheaterson wrote:
It's Lincoln. No doubt about it. He led us through a civil war even though he was hated by many people, in the south and north. I don't think anyone else would have been able to do his job working 16 hours a day under that stress and still get us out of a war.

Apparently, most historians agree that if Lincoln hadn't been assassinated, he wouldn't be as famous as he is now. When you're a kid, you probably only know two past presidents: George Washington and Abraham Lincoln.
Author:  ModestlyHotGirl [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:43 pm ]
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In an interview, Noam Chomsky went over the "rules" as they were during the Nuremberg Trials, and proved that if the same standards were applied to all US presidents from WWII to now (actually, up to Clinton, because of when the interview was done), they'd all have been executed for crimes against humanity.
Author:  racerx_is_alive [ Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:54 pm ]
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JohnTheTinyCowboy wrote:
tapelegguy wrote:
For those of you who say JFK, how was he great? He wasn't a good role model with all his horrible immorality, that's for sure.


Well, for one, he made great strides for civil rights, he tried to keep our involvement in Vietnam to a minimum, and he prevented a nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

How's that, for starters?


I'm not a huge JFK fanboy or anything, but one thing he did very right was that he knew how to learn. After totally screwing up the bay of pigs, he was able analyze the situation, see the problems, fix them, so that when the Cuban Missile Crisis began he was able to deal with it successfully.
Author:  Groovy Dudette [ Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:31 pm ]
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George Washington
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