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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:51 pm 
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It is predestined that I will go and have a drink after this post. I will edit it should this be false

EDIT: Nope, I took a dump instead. FREE WILL, YEAH!


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But how can you be certain of that? Wouldn't that have been the result of a biological imperative rather than free will? I mean, after all, if you didn't have to go, you probably wouldn't have, in fact, might not have been able to.

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But there are nice magazines on my toilet :(

I find it hard to believe that it was destined that a soldier, rendered infertile due to shoddy x-ray scanning, after surviving malaria, marries someone, adopts a kid, who then subsequently falls in love with adoptee-father's brother's daughter, who then marry, and produce a child that woul, 17 years later, post on the HRWiki. I call that SHEER LUCK

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Some other things I just wanted to add, even though I pretty much laid out my thoughts ...

That whole "burning belief" thing I got slammed with the LAST time Free Will/Fate came up in an argument (years ago), it was explained that I wanted to believe I had free will, an innate (and what they called false) sense of it.

Since that time I've come to realize that it cuts both ways. Surprised the heck out of me, but I found people who had a burning belief that things are "fated" and we have no free will.

Stonewall Jackson from the American Civil War could be counted among those. He had an appearance of bravery on the battlefield and an utter calmness under fire--because he believed that it had been preordained what was going to happen to him and when he would die, and that he was merely acting it out. Of course it had a deeply religious context, what with his being Presbyterian, but nevertheless!

I didn't quite think people would WANT things to be predetermined, which makes this whole thing even more complicated and confusing.

Anyway, a friend said it best: "Imposed destiny is saying, "Whatever you do, you were already going to do anyway," which is so circular and useless that when I think about it too much, I have to cry myself to sleep that night." Even though I have my opinions, I pretty much agree with him--it's a subject that's pretty hard to answer with scientific facts, from what I've read anyhow.

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King Nintendoid wrote:
I find it hard to believe that it was destined that a soldier, rendered infertile due to shoddy x-ray scanning, after surviving malaria, marries someone, adopts a kid, who then subsequently falls in love with adoptee-father's brother's daughter, who then marry, and produce a child that would, 17 years later, post on the HRWiki. I call that SHEER LUCK
No, that's just a very unique plan for your life.

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My belief is that you yourself choose most of the actions you make in your life, but what brings those decisions about is the infinately complex combinatinons of reactions in your brain, in the environment. etc, similar to the way a computer decides to go to a screen savor after a certain amount of minutes, or goes into safe mode when a virus is detected (on a MUCH simpler level, but still similar in concept).


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I believe that, while we have the free will to make our own choices, God is the one with the ultimate plan for our life. Sure, we may make some wrong choices along the way, but God will just use them for His glory. God has a plan for everyone, and it's up to you whether you choose to go along with Him, or to do it the hard way, and fight Him. But what He wants will always come about.


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