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Yeah, I saw that pic before. It was pretty funnny, but in reality, well...

Anyways, Many kids do deserve respect and achknowledgement. I beleive that many adults underestimate what children can do because of their size. Other kids would rather not be respected, and left to there own thoughts and enjoyment, and that's fine too. What more adults shoiuld do, and I'm lucky that most of the adults in my life I've met are liken this, is listen to children. If they obviously have potential, even not at that age, help them build it up. I'm sure many people have ingenious thoguhts at a young age but a pushed away by adults who think they know better than the child, and the idea is thrown away, never to be heard of again, and the child's self-confidence is damaged. Most kids carry on what they've learnt and what experiences they've had into the later part of their life. Luckily, if a smart and mature enough kid is pushed away by an adult because they aren't as experienced, the child knows in the future not to do that to their children, or any other children. It's amazing how many teachers are hired at schools that don't understand that a child could quite possibly be smarter than you, or they just don't want to accept it. One experience I remember was in 2nd grade when I got in trouble for saying excuse me, and I got so m,ad. It wasn't that I had gotten in trouble, I could care elss abotu that, it was that the teacher who had yelled at me completely overlooked my opinion because "she knew more than I did."


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I think as parents get further and further away from their own childhood, it becomes easier to forget what it truly was like to be a kid, and that's further complicated by the fact that the mentality of kids and what they go through in society changes somewhat from one generation to the next, so there is underestimating going on sometimes. I think children generally deserve more respect than they get, and this is especially true of those that are more mature for their age than others. I and probably several others here remember having a lot of insights on life as a child that aren't any less valid than what I have now.

Really, I think children just need more support and respect overall - I know of far too many parents these days that simply don't seem to care very much about their kids, and that's upsetting to me. :( I'm absolutely terrified to be a parent myself because I know what kind of immense impact is involved, and I have huge respect for the ones who are good at it, as my parents are. I consider myself lucky.


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I htink children shou7ld get level ofrespect and consideration based on how mature they are. If a seven year-old acts responsibly and stuff like that, he/she should get more respect than say, a thirteen year-old that does nothing all day and acts immature.

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They should get full respect. Unless they're one of those WHY? WHY? kids. Then burn them at the stake!!

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They should get full respect. Unless they're one of those WHY? WHY? kids. Then burn them at the stake!!


Hey funkstar, people should encourage children asking why when they are at the early stages of devlopment, this early thirst to learn should be quenched, if we all didn't ask why how woudl we know anything?

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You have to respect children, no matter what. If they don't get respect they become badder, and badder. It's the only reason their past-time would be paint the cat, because they want respect, and they cant find the right way to say it, so they paint the cat cuz' their parents tell them to shut-up. Children are the same people, no different, besides, when your angry, you actually find ways to let out your anger, so they punch stuff, and kick stuff, and when they get older they realise how little respect they got, so they start hurting people who gave them such little respect. AAnd not every kid is Jesus, yes that's true, but Jesus respected Children the most, because, Children are the most innocent, because without anyone older, they wouldn't learn to kill, steal, or anything wrong, you want a good child, don't teach them anything bad, stealing is not a natural insinct, killing is not a natural instinct.

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Young people deserve as much respect as any other human being. They're created in God's image, and deserve dignity that represents that. No treating them like animals, ya hear?


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We can learn from children. Thier views are less cluttered than adults are. Oftentimes that can point out the obvious answer that isn't seen by adults.

I tihnk we should put the affairs of the world in the hands of children :) give them the situation, the pro's, and the con's. I'm pretty sure they could be trusted to do the right thing ;)

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Well, not always, but Children in a lot of ways are smarter then adults. And they have more trust in people (which means they can possibly be more religous by trusting God to) But I can see why children arent allowed to vote, because they would most likely just vote for who their parent is voting for.

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I disagree. I think that wisdom is what is needed to make good choices, and I have yet to see a lot of wisdom from children. Granted, I've seen some stupid adults in my life, but that doesn't convince me that children are necessarily better decision makers. I've seen plenty of kids who were just whiney brats who cared only about themselves and what they wanted (and yes, I've seen some adult whiney brats, too).

But adults do have education and life experience to draw upon. Children do not.

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Good point Didy, but adults are also influenced by things that happened in their life, whitch isn't always a good thing.

Some kids are bratty, but their all so c000t!!!!!!!

anyway, adults are more likely to be baised.

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I have to disagree there. Kids pick up their biases from their adults very early in life. It would be very difficult to find a child with enough intelligence, wisdom, and discernment to make important decisions, and them not be already influenced by biases. In fact, I only know of one child in all of human history that had all that going for him.

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Thats a big problem, you're right. Just imagine though, parents didn't lecture their kids on politics, just taught them right from wrong, and let them choose for themselves. Our lives have become way too politically charged these days.

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We can learn from children. Thier views are less cluttered than adults are. Oftentimes that can point out the obvious answer that isn't seen by adults.

I tihnk we should put the affairs of the world in the hands of children :) give them the situation, the pro's, and the con's. I'm pretty sure they could be trusted to do the right thing ;)


Agreed. Children don't have all the little blockers in their brain that filter out all the things they don't want to hear. With kids anything could be possible.

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Children don't have all the little blockers in their brain that filter out all the things they don't want to hear.

You obviously haven't been around many children lately, now have you?

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Children from when they can talk up until around 7-8 should be listened to, but past that, children can start getting rather intelligent, and deserving of respect.

I'm only fourteen, and I'm interested in politics, I have my own opinions on "grown up" topics, my own ideas for how things should work, and I have a basic grasp what the crap I'm supposed to be doing anyway.
Adults don't give kids enough respect. I'm tired of being chastised for being right, and tired of getting priveleges taken away simply because someone else is older than me.
The older you get, the less you want to listen to people who are younger than you. I find myself doing it sometimes, even, I suppose it's just natural. However, adults, especially in high school, where we are all more than capable of forming proper debates and opinions, need to at least try to accept the posibility that we aren't always wrong.

I believe that children, when they are young, need to have a mindset on life. They need to know what their parents and elders are going to expect of them. I hate seeing children in stores, and restaurants, throwing tantrums, and freaking out if they don't get something, or even for no reason.
I've even heard one parent say they won't discipline them because they "respect" them.
Respect isn't lacking discipline.

Wow, I got way off topic.

Children need more respect.

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In grade school I fought for students' rights! Eventually, though, around when I started Middle School I realized that it was an obsolete cause, because our time as kids is very limited in the first place. I still get annoyed when I see an adult who demadns obedience and respect without ANY questions because "they're just older". :rolleyes:

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I think children deserve respect.Their views on the world are good,because they haven't gotten to the point where they all think things are more complicated then they actually are.

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Just like with some adults, I do not believe children deserve respect unless they earn it. And part of earning respect is learning to show it.
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I still get annoyed when I see an adult who demadns obedience and respect without ANY questions because "they're just older".

Whatever happened to "Honor your father and your mother"? Again, part of earning respect is learning to show it, and if you cannot respect your elders, then how in the world can you expect them to respect you?

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In grade school I fought for students' rights! Eventually, though, around when I started Middle School I realized that it was an obsolete cause, because our time as kids is very limited in the first place. I still get annoyed when I see an adult who demadns obedience and respect without ANY questions because "they're just older". :rolleyes:


Ah, yes. Fifth grade...

Lunchroom monitor: I'm an adult. I deserve respect. I am...
Me: *rolls eyes*
Luchroom monitor: DON'T ROLL YOUR EYES YOUNG MAN I'M BRINGING YOU TO THE PRINCIPAL!

And later...
Principal: So, Mrs. (insert name) tells me you began rattling swears off at her for no reason...

I got out of that because the principal didn't like that lunchroom monitor. But that was really a bad example of how children should be treated. I mean, if you really deserved respect, what the heck are you doing as a lunchroom monitor? Children... you can't go too low (like that lunch monitor did), and please listen to them, but most kids are annoying brats. I say that if the person's words and demeanor deserve respect, give it.

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I believe adults should actually use their intelligence to earn more respect from kids than the kids earn from adults. If not, it's a level playing field. If you have an adult who can't even explain through logic and rationale why their decision is more important than a kid's, than they shouldn't be given more respect than that kid.

The point here is that age isn't nearly as much of a factor as actual social intelligence.

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But there are also at least two factors to be considered:

1. Adults have to work for a living to support themselves and their children. Children owe respect to their parents, if for no other reason, then at least for this one.

2. Adults overall bear more responsibility than children. As long as the adults bear the responsibility, then children owe it to them to listen and pay attention.

Trust me, kids. When you reach my age, you'll look back on your childhood and say to yourself, "How could I have been so stupid back then?"

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I had an ENGLISH teacher who pronounced the "Thames River" like "THaymes" (like "th" as in "threw"), and she also pronounced "chasm" as "CHasm" (like "ch" as in "church"). It's bad enough for any teacher to do that, but an English teacher? Come on now, eh?


I know this is an old post but whats wrong with saying CHasm? thats how i always said it. same thames. Maybe its just my maritime-er-ness but still.



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But there are also at least two factors to be considered:

1. Adults have to work for a living to support themselves and their children. Children owe respect to their parents, if for no other reason, then at least for this one.

2. Adults overall bear more responsibility than children. As long as the adults bear the responsibility, then children owe it to them to listen and pay attention.

Trust me, kids. When you reach my age, you'll look back on your childhood and say to yourself, "How could I have been so stupid back then?"


I agree with your first point. Parents are obvious deservers of respect. On your second point, yes, I agree. Everyone should be listened to, and if someone deserving of respect is talking, it sure helps to pay attention. Age is not an important factor in respect. It's what the person does (i.e balance a job and family and a thousand other responcibities) and says that earns them respect.

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Well there was a monologue I had to do for theater once that went a little something like this,

Respect is a two way street. Why should I respect anyone that treats me that way? All I was doing was sitin' on the bus, lisin' to music, lookin' out the window. Ok, My backpack was on the seat next to me, but there was only four other people on the whole bus. Then this old guy gets on, walks up, and pushes my backpack on the ground! He didn't poke me, try to get my attention or nothin', just pushed my backpack on that dirty floor! Then, he didn't even sit on the bus next to me. I mean, whats up with that? He did it because I'm a kid, thats all. Do I deserve that? Like I say, Respect is a two way street. He's got to be respecting me if he wants the same.

Thats how I feel. There are some adults with the nerve to do stuff like that. For instence, I was waiting in al long line for a movie, and this guy guy just walks in front of me. And then, the others standing there didn't even do anything. I respect my parents to the end of the earth, but they respect me too. Respect IS a two way street.

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But there are also at least two factors to be considered:

1. Adults have to work for a living to support themselves and their children. Children owe respect to their parents, if for no other reason, then at least for this one.

2. Adults overall bear more responsibility than children. As long as the adults bear the responsibility, then children owe it to them to listen and pay attention.

Trust me, kids. When you reach my age, you'll look back on your childhood and say to yourself, "How could I have been so stupid back then?"


Hey, I was already looking back on how stupid I was as a child even before I got out of my teen years. Now I'm more kicking myself for how stupid I was in my late teens-early 20's than anything. :p

I agree with your main points in general, particularly the first one. Children still should to rely on adults for the foundation of their wisdom, and for that reason, yes, adults should certainly have the upper hand in respect. But I think that in some cases (not all, but some) children have more insight about the world than they're given credit for, and that leads to their ideas being pushed aside due to how young they are and not always how mature they are.

Also, what a child picks up in life isn't necessarily limited to the wisdom of adults around them. The world's a more complicated place than that.


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I say not much if there one of those kids that go around do stupid stuff just so they can fit in, now those kids need to be put in milatry camps.

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I sort of agree with you, Khan Earl. I hate when people do things like that so they can be 'cool'.

Anyway, toastpaint.

Before you move on, guess my age.

What did you guess? Fifteen? Sixteen? If you did, you're wrong. I've just had my twelfth birthday. That's that cleared up.

I despise it when others refuse to respect my opinion,simply due to my age. Among both adults and children who have taken the time to get to know me, I'm a young philosopher with my own political viewpoint and a fertile and(relatively) realistic imagination. However, in my class at school, most do not know how to spell 'philosophies' let alone know what the word means or come up with their own.
Unfortunately, this appears to be the universal stereotype. I am not often heard, let alone fully listened to, by those older than I, and, as I mentioned before, others my age rarely understand what I'm talking about. Imagine attempting a conversation with a goldfish. That pretty much sums it up.

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