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At any rate, the fact that the Republicans are ostensibly doing more to get Nader on the ballot than is his own party is telling in and of itself.

No. What's happened is that Nader has been removed from the ballot in Florida by court order, and the Republicans are trying to put him back on, hoping to use Nader to steal votes from Kerry so Bush will win.

Looks like Farenheit 9/11 really shot Bush down.
I didn't see the movie, and I won't see a political movie, especially if the filmmaker is a President-Bashing person.

Nader is running as an independent. he doesn't have a party. and he's been accepting help from the Republicans. Nader's current presidential bid is a total ego trip. there is nothing that will be gained from his running. at least when he ran in 1996 and 2000 there were possible other benefits: name recognition for the Greens, possibility of matching federal funds, etc.

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I'm not sure where you get your news, but Nader is running with the endorsement of the Reform Party. He's still an "Independent" but without the RP's endorsement he doesn't get on the ballot. And he hasn't so much "accepted" support from the GOP as he has turned a blind eye on it. They're not cooperating with him, they're using him. It just so happens that their support furthers his quixotic and ultimately frivolous quest for the presidency. It's sort of a symbiotic relationship, except that neither party will admit they're involved.

And you're only half right: There's nothing that Nader will gain from his running. But the Republican party gains a whole lot by having his name on the ballot.

Nader's on the Florida ballot for good. Thought this might be relevant.

You know what's funny? The Republicans will look like the good guys in this whole Nader thing, because they will be seen as the ones who allowed him to run, whereas the Democrats will be seen as the ones who opposed allowing him to run.

I think maybe the backwoods Republicans will see it this way, but I think that most voters are savvy and cynical enough to see it for what it is. At any rate, most voters just aren't going to be aware of it because our watered-down major news outlets are pretty much ignoring the story.

Then why are democrats so worried about him being on the ballot at all? If most voters are savvy and cynical enough to see it for what it is, won't they also not be voting for him?

Most people won't vote for Nader. Like I said before, I don't know who's going to vote for Nader, but I doubt it'll be near as many as last time 'round, especially without Green sponsorship.

I agree. I also don't think that Nadar is going to be as big of a factor in this years election as he was in the last.

In related news, President Bush has recently been outpolling Kerry among women.

At Minneapolis-St. Paul Int'l airport, there is a Freedom of Expression desk that any group can apply to use for any reason. The other day my friend, [name omitted], noticed that the Republicans were there registering people to vote. She made a few phone calls and learned that Monday morning October 12, the chair of the Metropolitan Airports Commission, Vickie Tigwell, ordered the MAC to allow the Republican Party sole and extended use of that desk until the election.

An employee of a private voter registration firm alleges that his bosses trashed registration forms filled out by Democratic voters because they only wanted to sign up Republican voters.

Found the following links which all seem to point to the same company that is suspected of tearing up Democratic voter registration forms in Las Vegas. It has set up registration drives in Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, West Virginia, Florida and Nevada and is accused of the same things in most if not all of these states. Sproul & Associates is a Republican consulting firm run by Nathan Sproul, former head of the Arizona Republican party and Arizona Christian Coalition.

Searching for information on the voter registration fraud stories breaking tonight in Nevada and Oregon, I kept coming across the same name: Nathan Sproul of Sproul & Associates in Phoenix, Arizona.

Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker, citing vote-fraud concerns, is publicly balking at a City of Milwaukee request for almost 260,000 additional ballots in anticipation of high turnout for the Nov. 2 presidential election.

Mayor Tom Barrett blasted Walker's stance, and Common Council President Willie Hines Jr. immediately joined in, saying it was an attempt to suppress the central-city vote. [...]

Walker, a Republican, is a state co-chair of President Bush's campaign, while Barrett, a Democrat, is state co-chair of the John Kerry campaign.

Barrett said that the 679,000 ballots the county had agreed to print were less than the amount prepared for the presidential election in 2000 as well as for the the gubernatorial race in 2002.

Author:	Professor No [ Wed Sep 15, 2004 8:53 pm ]
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Tom posted a image of Kerry with his crewmates, but here's one that explains allot... Sorry its so big...

Author:	InterruptorJones [ Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:02 pm ]
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I can't believe Republicans are still on about that. Cracks me up. But anyway, I don't see any sources cited in that massive image, so it's moot until I see citations. And even if it were legitimate, it ought to say, "Of the 13 veterans in this picture who aren't dead, N/A, or John Kerry...".

Author:	Stu [ Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:25 pm ]
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InterruptorJones wrote: At any rate, the fact that the Republicans are ostensibly doing more to get Nader on the ballot than is his own party is telling in and of itself. The same could be said about the dems trying to keep him off... Anyway, I gots homework that needs doing. (I understand what you are saying, and I think arguing about it is kinda moot) Edit... that was really weird. I didn't read your last post until after I made my post (to your second to last post). Something fishy going on around here. You really must be in my bushes... listening to me think. moot indeed.

Author:	Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:51 pm ]
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Wait...I'm lost on my own thread...did you just say that the republicans might as well put Nader on the ballot for the term after next?

Author:	Didymus [ Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:01 am ]
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No. What's happened is that Nader has been removed from the ballot in Florida by court order, and the Republicans are trying to put him back on, hoping to use Nader to steal votes from Kerry so Bush will win.

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Author:	InterruptorJones [ Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:51 am ]
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Didymus wrote: No. What's happened is that Nader has been removed from the ballot in Florida by court order, and the Republicans are trying to put him back on, hoping to use Nader to steal votes from Kerry so Bush will win. IIRC, reporters estimated that in the 2000 election, had Nader not been on the ballot, Gore would have gotten another 96,000 votes, which as you know would have put him well ahead of Bush. The Republicans are very invested in keeping Nader on the ballot.

Author:	Plaster-Man [ Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:04 am ]
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fahooglewitz1077 wrote: Looks like Farenheit 9/11 really shot Bush down. I didn't see the movie, and I won't see a political movie, especially if the filmmaker is a President-Bashing person. You mean Micheal Moore? No..he loves Bush! Kidding.

Author:	Brunswick Stu [ Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:10 am ]
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Nader is running as an independent. he doesn't have a party. and he's been accepting help from the Republicans. Nader's current presidential bid is a total ego trip. there is nothing that will be gained from his running. at least when he ran in 1996 and 2000 there were possible other benefits: name recognition for the Greens, possibility of matching federal funds, etc.

Author:	Brunswick Stu [ Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:39 pm ]
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InterruptorJones wrote: Brunswick Stu wrote: Nader is running as an independent. he doesn't have a party. and he's been accepting help from the Republicans. Nader's current presidential bid is a total ego trip. there is nothing that will be gained from his running. at least when he ran in 1996 and 2000 there were possible other benefits: name recognition for the Greens, possibility of matching federal funds, etc. I'm not sure where you get your news, but Nader is running with the endorsement of the Reform Party. He's still an "Independent" but without the RP's endorsement he doesn't get on the ballot. And he hasn't so much "accepted" support from the GOP as he has turned a blind eye on it. They're not cooperating with him, they're using him. It just so happens that their support furthers his quixotic and ultimately frivolous quest for the presidency. It's sort of a symbiotic relationship, except that neither party will admit they're involved. And you're only half right: There's nothing that Nader will gain from his running. But the Republican party gains a whole lot by having his name on the ballot. in this case, there is very little distinction between "independent" and "third party" (except in the arcane rules of ballot access). and thanks to our political system, both are doomed to failure outside of state houses and city councils. and I consider his failure to in any way condemn or discourage the GOP's help, while harping on about the Democrats' hindrance, to be tacit approval.

Author:	racerx_is_alive [ Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:38 pm ]
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Nader's on the Florida ballot for good. Thought this might be relevant.

Author:	InterruptorJones [ Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:51 pm ]
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racerx_is_alive wrote: Nader's on the Florida ballot for good. Thought this might be relevant. Yeah, I heard this on NPR. A shame, really. Good for Don Quixote, bad for freedom. Though honestly, without Green sponsorship and a pretty half-assed campaign and people knowing how much is really at stake this November, I doubt he's going to get very many votes.

Author:	ssssmemyself [ Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:26 pm ]
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What scares me is another MPR story I heard. Most of the people signing the Nader petition that a reporter tagged along for were staunch Republicans, who were more than happy to get Nader on the ballot.

Author:	Didymus [ Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:01 am ]
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You know what's funny? The Republicans will look like the good guys in this whole Nader thing, because they will be seen as the ones who allowed him to run, whereas the Democrats will be seen as the ones who opposed allowing him to run.

Author:	InterruptorJones [ Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:43 pm ]
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Didymus wrote: You know what's funny? The Republicans will look like the good guys in this whole Nader thing, because they will be seen as the ones who allowed him to run, whereas the Democrats will be seen as the ones who opposed allowing him to run. I think maybe the backwoods Republicans will see it this way, but I think that most voters are savvy and cynical enough to see it for what it is. At any rate, most voters just aren't going to be aware of it because our watered-down major news outlets are pretty much ignoring the story.

Author:	racerx_is_alive [ Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:07 pm ]
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From what I heard on morning edition, the big thing for them is security. They kept talking about NASCAR Dads and Security Moms. Of course, this "gender gap" switch may be coming from people analyzing those outlier Gallup polls from last week.

Author:	InterruptorJones [ Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:19 pm ]
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Another article for today: The "How Can Gallup........" Game, which dissects the Gallup claim that Bush is leading by 13% nationwide while it contradicts their own figures (not to mention all other pollsters). If you're interested in polling, that's a pretty good site for keeping up with new polls (and I'm sure you already read the Electoral Vote Predictor -- click the button in my sig -- daily), but since it's a Dem. cheerleader blog prepare yourself for the partisanism.

Author:	InterruptorJones [ Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:37 am ]
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On the heels of Bush criticizing Kerry for comparing Iraq Prime Minister Allawi to a puppet of his administration, oh, guess what: the White House wrote Allawi's speech for him. I need a bumper sticker that says "We got played."

Author:	Didymus [ Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:57 am ]
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There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Prime Minister Allawi is a White House puppet. Just because the man is made of wood and has strings attached to his arms and legs...

Author:	Stu [ Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:42 pm ]
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Quote: I think maybe the backwoods Republicans will see it this way, but I think that most voters are savvy and cynical enough to see it for what it is. At any rate, most voters just aren't going to be aware of it because our watered-down major news outlets are pretty much ignoring the story. Then why are democrats so worried about him being on the ballot at all? If most voters are savvy and cynical enough to see it for what it is, won't they also not be voting for him? I tend to agree more with Didymus on this one, for the same reason you brought this up. Most people aren't savvy or cynical enough to see past all the crap. All they hear about is how Kerry did this, or Bush did that... each party is so intent on making the other guy look bad. They decide that they don't want to vote for either, and so they pick the best of two bad choices. For the republicans that usually seems to mean Bush, for the democrats it usually seems to be Nadar.

Author:	Stu [ Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:31 pm ]
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Slight tangent... You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world. You are not your post count... I just watched that for the first time two nights ago. Back on topic Quote: Most people won't vote for Nader. Like I said before, I don't know who's going to vote for Nader, but I doubt it'll be near as many as last time 'round, especially without Green sponsorship. I agree. I also don't think that Nadar is going to be as big of a factor in this years election as he was in the last.

Author:	TheNintenGenius [ Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:42 pm ]
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You can only hope that, as has been said, without being sponsored by the Greens (and not being sponsored by any party, really, not counting the money and assistance the Republicans keep throwing at him), he won't matter nearly as much. Then again, in an election as close as this one's going to probably end up being, who really knows.

Author:	racerx_is_alive [ Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:37 pm ]
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I'm curious to hear from some voting age floridians on this issue. Most of what I have heard from Florida is that everyone has been too distracted by hurricanes to really pay attention to presidential campaigns this past month. Of course, with the President's unique position to dish out federal aid, and with all the destruction Florida has recently faced, Bush has the ability to quickly win himself a bunch of appreciative devotees right before the election in a hotly contested battleground state. In related news, President Bush has recently been outpolling Kerry among women. This is the one of the first times that a republican has outpolled a democrat among women since 1980. This gender gap is something democrats have banked on ever since then. In fact, when it was Dole vs. Clinton, if only men voted, Dole would have been president. However, Clinton had a 16 point lead over Dole among women voters. Do you guys think Bush will hold on to this gender gap, or will the democrats get it back before the elections roll around?

Author:	InterruptorJones [ Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:44 am ]
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And now Fox News has shifted from their usual policy of covertly pushing the Right Wing agenda with thinly-veiled manipulation to blatantly pushing the Right Wing agenda with blatant lies. It's too late for me to do a good ridiculing, so I'll leave it up to my pal Lane (some strong language ahead). P.S. It's importing to note that the writer of the offending article is the very person who's covering Kerry's campaign for Fox News -- the person who's supposed to be bringing you coverage about Kerry. If that's the guy covering Kerry, I can't imagine who they have covering Bush! P.P.S. Honestly, I think goood manicure skills are a definite plus for a presidential candidate.

Author:	Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:08 pm ]
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Playing off of IJ's Fox News mention, has anyone else seen the documentry out Foxed, I think it was pretty good.

Author:	InterruptorJones [ Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:08 am ]
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The GOP makes me sick. I know some of you out there are Republicans, and the Republican party, at least once upon a time, was as respectable as any other political party. But if you consider yourself an honest person, know this: your party has left you behind. Here are some links from my friend Lane, who's much better at this punditry thing than I. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/13/153432/88 Quote: At Minneapolis-St. Paul Int'l airport, there is a Freedom of Expression desk that any group can apply to use for any reason. The other day my friend, [name omitted], noticed that the Republicans were there registering people to vote. She made a few phone calls and learned that Monday morning October 12, the chair of the Metropolitan Airports Commission, Vickie Tigwell, ordered the MAC to allow the Republican Party sole and extended use of that desk until the election. http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2421595 Quote: An employee of a private voter registration firm alleges that his bosses trashed registration forms filled out by Democratic voters because they only wanted to sign up Republican voters. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/13/15534/960 Quote: Found the following links which all seem to point to the same company that is suspected of tearing up Democratic voter registration forms in Las Vegas. It has set up registration drives in Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, West Virginia, Florida and Nevada and is accused of the same things in most if not all of these states. Sproul & Associates is a Republican consulting firm run by Nathan Sproul, former head of the Arizona Republican party and Arizona Christian Coalition. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/13/32821/029 Quote: Searching for information on the voter registration fraud stories breaking tonight in Nevada and Oregon, I kept coming across the same name: Nathan Sproul of Sproul & Associates in Phoenix, Arizona. http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/oct04/266144.asp Quote: Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker, citing vote-fraud concerns, is publicly balking at a City of Milwaukee request for almost 260,000 additional ballots in anticipation of high turnout for the Nov. 2 presidential election. Mayor Tom Barrett blasted Walker's stance, and Common Council President Willie Hines Jr. immediately joined in, saying it was an attempt to suppress the central-city vote. [...] Walker, a Republican, is a state co-chair of President Bush's campaign, while Barrett, a Democrat, is state co-chair of the John Kerry campaign. Barrett said that the 679,000 ballots the county had agreed to print were less than the amount prepared for the presidential election in 2000 as well as for the the gubernatorial race in 2002. These are all mind-boggling. The "Free Speech Booth" is exclusively for Republican use? The County Executive in Milwaukee (a Republican) ordered fewer ballots for a presidential race than for a governor's race, and refuses to order more? GRaaaaaahheralm;fae;krjaeromgwtfapplesauce.

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