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I didn't like him in 2000. I felt like he just didn't represent me or any of my political concerns, despite the fact that the so-called Christian Coalitian gave him whole-hearted support. As a Christian myself, I honestly felt that there were other candidates who I would have preferred to see in office (I particularly liked Alan Keyes).

But then I started to like him. That is, until this whole Gulf War II thing. That really turned me off to him. I mean, I always felt like a full-scale war with Iraq was not justified, and I did not believe that we would actually accomplish anything other than ruining their infrastructure and economy, while angering other Arab nations, including our allies. I felt like military action was warranted, but not on that scale (maybe bomb a few of the suspected WDM facilities?).

Now, some 3 years after "mission accomplished," we're still dealing with the same garbage, and Iraq has become both a bloody battlefield and an Al-Qaida recruiting center. So much for "mission accomplished."

Needless to say, I've lost confidence in the man. But since Kerry also supported the war (that is, until he wanted to play the anti-war card in the election), I couldn't bring myself to support him, either.

There was this die-hard Bush supporter that lived on one of the other floors in my dorm. He had all kinds of Bush posters and crap on his door. I used to do stuff like put pictures of W wearing a Darth Vader outfit on his door just to tick him off.

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yeah like nader

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MHGuy, if it wasn't for Nader, Bush 43 would not be in power.

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George Bush suxorz. Like a duxorz.

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Exactly.
Bush=bad
Bushisms=funny

There's nothing wrong with not liking bush, but simple phrases like "Bush sucks" just show you're uninformed, and really make those who support him look even better...

As for me, I'm apathetic. I like him better than Al Gore, and Kerry didn't even stand a chance. If the democrats want my vote, they need to field another Clinton. He actually seemed human, and at least looked like he knew something about the Average American. The Lewinsky thing aside, Clinton really didn't do anything too terrible. I mean, some bad things happened (Waco, Oklahoma City, first WTC attack, USS Cole), when he was in office, but those weren't really things he had any control over. It wasn't like he could stand at the Rider office and shoot McVeigh in the face or anything. Some of his policies may have led to events that sparked the attacks, but he didn't really have any control over the events themselves. Blame for those rests solely in the hands of the people that carried them out. It's kinda like Bush and 9/11. Bush didn't commit the attacks, although his policies (and some of Clinton's) may have brought about things that angered certain groups. The blame for those attacks also rests with the people that carried them out.

Bush, to me, is far from the greatest president to ever live (not sure who that would be), but he's not the worst, either (also not sure who that is). He's mediocre at best (and worst). I don't support all that he's done, but some of the things he's brought about are pretty good (things like No Child Left Behind and trying to save social security, although his plan may do more harm than good, time will tell).

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I'm against bush. I really think that al gore and Jhon kerry would've done a much better job of being a president. It's not good to put on your political blinders though. That's why I first was for the war in Iraq when I thought there were weapons of mass destruction, then against the war in Iraq (I think Bush put himself in a bad position with the intelligence, then for the war after learning for more information, and finally 50-50 after reading this thread. Maybe after Bush's gone I'll give conservative a chance.

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'nuff said

They are only gonna get worse, unless John McCain or Rudy Guillani run, the Republicans would probly have to use Bill Frist or Tom Delay for a canidate. Those two are so conservative, that they make Bush look liberal.

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Bill Frist is the Antichrist. You can tell. Just look at him.

Doesn't he look like the stereotypical "everybody loves him but he's actually evil" type of guy? It's the same deal with a lot of Republicans, to a lesser extent.

And StrongRad, I have to say that Hillary Clinton will never be President. As much better than say Jeb Bush she might be, she just has a reputation for being a militant liberal/feminist, and a good portion of America (i.e. Red States) would not vote for her at all. I'm rooting for Al Gore in 2008. Or John McCain.

But we all know that Arnold Schwarzenegger will be President within 20 years, and he won't be so bad. Just please not Jeb Bush or Bill Frist.

EDIT: Read this article. People agree with me!

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No, I wasn't saying Hillary should run... She's like the opposite of Bill.. She seems to be too "into the system" to really appeal to the masses.

As for Bill Frist, I kinda like him. I'm not exactly big on some of the things he's done in office, but of the DC people I've met, he seemed to be one of the nicest. Of the senators and representatives I've actually met, Dianne Feinstein (someone with whom I have political disagreements), Barack Obama (met him thanks to my friend Brandon), Hal Rogers, and Bill Frist seemed to be the nicest... And you're right, the whole "people like him" IS a quality of the anti-christ, but not enough people like Frist for him to be the Anti-Christ...

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Oh, I thought you meant another actual Clinton, not just someone with a Clinton-esque personality. Heh. See, I agree with you about Hillary. She has too much of a lofty kind of personality, like Teresa Heinz Kerry did, and everyone knows that she didn't help out her husband's campaign much.

And you actually met Bill Frist and those? That's cool. Good to know you survived Frist, though. Remember, if he runs for President in '08 and starts having rabid crowds of fans and supporters around him at all times like Dean at his peak, then we'll know he really is the Antichrist.

All right, toastpaint.

I dislike the policies of President Bush, especially with regards to his opinions on stem cell research and the like. There, I've painted the toast.

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Frist will lose his followers when he does his "RAWR!!!" like Dean...
Actually, there is one person who not only survived meeting Bill Frist, but probably owes his survival to Frist. I remember hearing about this from the news stations in Nashville about a year or two ago.. Apparently, Frist, a former physician, saw an injured motorist in Florida (on Alligator Alley, I believe). He stopped at the accident and administered first aid until paramedics arrived. I think it was Frist that did that..

As for Bush's stem cell thing: There is a lot of misunderstanding about this. As I understand it, Bush didn't actually ban stem cell research, all he did was ban federal funding for it.
I really don't agree with that.. I mean, if the embryoes (embryos?) are going to be destroyed anyway, why not try to get some use out of them (so that the life isn't completely wasted). I think I posted this in another thread...

Something I would like to see Bush do is to fix social security. I don't know that his current plan would work. The commercials on TV tell me not to tear down an entire house to fix the sink, or something like that. I don't know what plan will work. It seems to me that the people who are most against private accounts are the people that my generation are going to be paying for... Seems fishy to me, but then again, pretty much anything in DC does.

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Here is somebody that if he were to run would win in a landslide: Colin Powell. He was the only person with a brain in the Bush Cabinet. He would sweep the minority vote, he is liberal enough for the Dems to like him, he is also conservative enough to please the Republicans. He has leadership skills, he is a Retired General. That also means he is good under pressure. Powell Knows about Iraq, he was there in the first Gulf War. If Powell ever ran I would vot for him in a heartbeat.

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I hope they don't make a law allowing the governator to become president. He would lose anyway. More people vote in the presidential elections. I think Bush did a pretty good job with keeping us together after 9-11. I can see it now on some quiz. What was the date of the September eleven attacks?

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I disagree. I think he would win in a semi-landslide if he ever became a nominee. Name recognition goes a long way in America. Look at Jesse Ventura.



Yeah, but ever since then he's been one of the most divisive presidents in history. Remember how nasty the election was? It's not usually like that. There has been so much hatred and opposition in this country lately. The polarization that we have now was really only eclipsed by the Vietnam War era divisiveness. Did you know that more people voted for John Kerry than for any other political candidate in history, except Bush? 49 million Americans can't stand Bush.

"Uniter, not a divider," my foot.

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everyone makes fun of bush because of how he talks...but no one seems to mind clinton and all the accusations he got concerning monica (i dont know if he did anything with her or not)

it just seems out of proportion, you make fun of a guy who has a weird voice over someone who might of very well committed adultery while being president

by the way, i support bush

People don't oppose Bush simply because he has a Southern accent and can't pronounce words correctly or form a coherent sentence on his own. They oppose him because they think he's an ultra-conservative warmonger who invaded Iraq on false pretenses.

I think Clinton's little affairs were really nothing to worry about. It was just seized upon as an excuse to try and have Clinton removed from office. In the early '60s, everyone knew that President Kennedy was having affairs all the time with people like Marilyn Monroe. But nobody cared about it.

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Because it was the '60s! Free sex reigned, and everyone was shagedelic, baby!!

...well, that was unnecessary.

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I support George Bush because he's doing what he thinks is right, not because he's a great president. I think McCain would've done a MUCH better job than Bush, but that's just my opinion. However, Bush is my president, and I will support him no matter -what-. If Kerry was my president, I would support him. I support my leaders because I think that they are trying to do what's right for the American people, despite their beliefs.

Anyway, I think that the War on Iraq was a good thing. However, I think Bush should focus -MORE- on starting up trade with China than this middle-east stuff. The Chinese will be a super power eventually. Hell, they already are. We need to form strong trading bonds with them so there's no -reason- for them to get ticked with us.

EDIT: Oh, and to JohnTheTinyCowboy; you -do- realize that more Americans supported Bush than Kerry, right? So, your saying that doesn't really prove anything. More people went out to vote for Bush, more people went out to vote for Kerry. The people that went to vote for Bush outnumbered the ones who went to vote for Kerry, thus, Bush won fair and square. Just let him do his job. Give him constructive criticism, not whiny, eh, eating. Excuse my French.

Oh, and another thing (last one, I swear). I'm not all that scared of any of the arabic nations. Israel was attacked by all of them at once and kicked their asses to hell and back. Truthfully, if Bush wanted to, he could launch a Bliztkreg on the Middle East and conquer -all of it-.

To conclude, ugh. Man. I hate these anti-bush threads. It's what you get for being on the internet, I guess: where every single political party except the republicans are equally represented. I guess it's because we republicans have better things to do with our time. Or something. Hell, man. I dunno.

Nice rant, I support it completely, but please don't swear. The mods don't like it, it's against the rules, and it would really suck to lose a Bush supporter who's good at arguing.

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I appologize. Edited to eating.

I know more people voted for Bush, obviously. I was only explaining the reasons people dislike him. I tend to think he's not doing that great of a job, but you have to live with him, because let's face it, he won the election, like you said. We'll have to let him do his job for the next several years. I do agree that McCain would have been far better at the job than Bush is, though.

Oh, and here's some constructive criticism: We should only invade countries that we KNOW for SURE have weapons of mass destruction that we consider to be a threat. Like North Korea. Aren't they a bigger threat? They brag about their nukes.

And Teff, shame on you.

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Wait a minute. So you want us to invade North Korea? They have the seventh biggest army in the world, as well as WMDs. And they -will use them- on our allies, Japan and South Korea.

In Iraq, a MINUTE amount of people died. Yes, any loss of life is bad. But more people die on the freeway in A DAY than we've lost in Iraq. We will lose thousands of people in North Korea if we invade them. Diplomacy MUST be used.

I don't think we should go right now and invade North Korea, but I think that if President Bush needed to invade another country, that would have been it. We should have eliminated the possibility of them developing WMDs before they became the massive threat to regional stability that they are now.

It's too late for that now, and you're right. We can't invade them if it means Japan or South Korea will get nuked. But we should be doing something, like full economic sanctions. I think something like that is in place to a smaller degree, but I'm not sure. Also, there's the threat of invasion. You'll notice that Libya has been falling all over itself to turn over all of its weapons, and we haven't even threatened them. I think if we made North Korea sweat a little they might start cooling off a little.

Iraq had the fourth-largest army in the world when we invaded it in the Gulf War, by the way.

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Yes, yes. I'm aware. Anyways, Kim Jong-Il is as mad as they come. He wouldn't listen to reason if he was locked away in a cell, either.

just watch this..... I dont support bush because he is stupid. he..... just watch this one: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/bush-bs.html

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Wait... so, you want us to change our entire opinion because of some video on a joke website? Yeah. Good luck with that.

no, thats just a small example of his stupidity, butt-munch

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He really gets mad at Chechnians that won't take deliveries... But that's another story all together.

I'm-a say we should see how things play out in Korea.. Maybe not go in all John Wayne and shoot the place up.. Yeah, it's weird hearing me, of all people, say this, but yeah, do we know for sure that they have nuclear capabilities? Also, do we know that they have the ability to produce a DELIVERABLE nuclear device? I mean, the Trinity bomb was a nuclear weapon, but it was not deliverable. There is a gap in technology between a nuclear weapon and one that has military value (I suppose they could sell them to terrorists, but that's not a military thing).
From what I hear, that whole thing about the minefields and such from "Die Another Day" is pretty close to reality. You have people on both sides with artillery trained on one another, and a whole bunch of mines in between.. THAT is a recipie for a high body count on both sides. We don't need another body count in SE Asia.. One was too high...

Also, about Iraq and WMD's.. I still think they're there, somewhere. The Iraqis were acting kinda suspicious towards UNSCOM, and Saddam DID know we were on our way. Iraq is a big place, I'm sure there are plenty of hiding spots.

I watched the video you linked to, his "stupidity" was nothing more than a reflection of the stupidity of the question. He doesn't come off as a great public speaker (He is definately not as smooth as Clinton) because he isn't one. There are a lot of people who just plain suck at public speech, it doesn't make them stupid, does it? And please, spare yourself the embarassment of bringing up "nu-cular".. I know a lot of people that say nuclear that way. Most of those people are folks that are rather intelligent. I will say, however, that being great at public appearances would be a nice quality for our president to have, but it is, by no means, required (maybe it should be, perhaps)..

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