1. I was kidding about that, I'm not a spelling Nazi (pun intended
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2. I was just guesstimating I think. I don't really remember.
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| Author: | Beyond the Grave [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:15 pm ] |
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Who do you think is the greatest world leader of all-time? Give us some good reasons why you think they are. |
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| Author: | Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:13 pm ] |
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I'm compelled to say Hitler, not before you flame me to ash I just have to say. That dude knew how to run a country and give speeches, I don't condone what he did to over a million of my half brothers and sisters but he did run a tight shift when he was at the height of his power. |
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| Author: | filippo lippi [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:07 pm ] |
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Yeah, running a country by fear, intimidation, internment and state murder - you gotta admire that! I'm being sarcastic of course. Learn some history, |
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| Author: | Ricksea [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:42 pm ] |
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The only great world leader I can think of is F.D.R. Aside from ending the depression with the New Deal, he helped out our foreign relations a great deal. Yes, I know that he may have inadvertantly lead to the creation of the U.S.S.R., but that was his one mistake when he was very sick. |
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| Author: | Beyond the Grave [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:57 pm ] |
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The USSR was created in 1917 that was a full decade before FDR became president. My pick is Sir Winston Churchill. Here is a guy that lead a country through an invasion. He stared down Hitler, He also gave some of the best speeches in World History. |
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| Author: | Evin290 [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:33 pm ] |
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Richard Nixon was a very good leader in terms of foreign affairs. He helped the U.S. relax tensions with the Soviet Union during his time in office. |
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| Author: | Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:05 pm ] |
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filippo lippi wrote: Yeah, running a country by fear, intimidation, internment and state murder - you gotta admire that!
I'm being sarcastic of course. Learn some history, 'scuse me Sen. Snippy, I probably know more about history and the third riche than you do (I'm a bit obsessed about it). Check your facts before you misfire that flamethrower of yours. Though he may have done some dirty things on his way in and out of power the majority was an amazing run for a world leader. When he spoke little children yelled with excitement and women fainted, he knew how to control a crowd and nearly brainwash an entire country. I don't know about you guys but I think that the feat he accomplished would nigh impossible to do today. |
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| Author: | cassette [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:19 pm ] |
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Study it but can't spell reich? :/ i'm gonna go ahead and put in my vote for churchill, FDR, or Che Guevara. Churchill was like the guy in WW2, so was FDR. They were both the guy. And Che Guevara was just a great revolutionary who had goals and the drive to achieve them. (Hasta la victoria, siempre!) Hitler was a great leader, but in the end he was too arrogant and it led to his downfall. But if you're gonna say somebody's bad, Stalin beats Hitler. Hitler killed like 5 million jews, and he's not jewish. (other than his half jewish uncle or whatever) Stalin killed 25,000,000 Russians, his own people. |
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| Author: | Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:37 pm ] |
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1. I was never that good at spelling, ever. Throw me a bone 2. I think it was 3 and a half |
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| Author: | cassette [ Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:30 am ] |
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1. I was kidding about that, I'm not a spelling Nazi (pun intended )
2. I was just guesstimating I think. I don't really remember. |
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| Author: | Jitka [ Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:22 am ] |
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StrongZysk wrote: The USSR was created in 1917 that was a full decade before FDR became president.
More like a full two decades, Captain History. Toastpaint: The greatest world leader...probably FDR or JFK. FDR because he was one of the most beloved and successful presidents, and JFK because he prevented the end of the world during the Cuban Missile Crisis. And if you're looking for evil leaders, how about Mao Zedong? Do the words "Cultural Revolution" ring a bell? |
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| Author: | Beyond the Grave [ Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:58 am ] |
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I think Julius Ceasar is one of the greatest leaders of all-time. He doubled the size of the Roman Empire during his reign. He also was named dictator for life by the Roman Senate (Who assassinated him after one year in power). He was so loved by the people that his deadth caused a civil war, which lead to the rise of Octavian Augustus the first Roman Emperor, also the the German word Kaiser and the Russian word Tzar are both names for the leaders(or former leaders of Germany and Russia), and the come from Ceasar. |
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| Author: | filippo lippi [ Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:31 am ] |
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Prof. Tor Coolguy wrote: filippo lippi wrote: Yeah, running a country by fear, intimidation, internment and state murder - you gotta admire that! I'm being sarcastic of course. Learn some history, 'scuse me Sen. Snippy, I probably know more about history and the third riche than you do (I'm a bit obsessed about it). Check your facts before you misfire that flamethrower of yours. "I probably know more about history... than you do" - not a fact, conjecture. I don't know you, you don't know me. "I'm a bit obsessed about it" - get out more In my list of Nazi political tools above, I forgot slave labour, euthenasia, mass indoctrination and starting the Second World War. Yeah, you gotta admire that guy. |
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| Author: | cassette [ Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:42 am ] |
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hitler was a great leader. not a great man. let it go. it's amazing how two people can't respect each other's opinions because they think that two people can't be right at the same time. hitler did do bad stuff in his rise to power. hitler was a good leader, despite all the bad stuff. again, not a good person, a good leader. see? now both of you are right. |
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| Author: | filippo lippi [ Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:44 am ] |
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What was his legacy? |
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| Author: | cassette [ Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:31 am ] |
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He restored a broken nation to power, he was one of the most charismatic, albeit misguided, leaders of our time. That's his legacy. If you'll stop thinking that you can't be wrong for two seconds then you'd realize that. |
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| Author: | filippo lippi [ Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:38 am ] |
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No, legacy is what he left after he was no longer in power. |
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| Author: | Beyond the Grave [ Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:20 pm ] |
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Can we kill the Hitler talk please. I lost a relative in the Holocaust and I prefer not to think about it. |
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| Author: | filippo lippi [ Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:26 am ] |
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Taking a cue from above, but trying to move on, I would say the greatest leaders would be Churchill and Roosevelt (as others have said). They not onlyguided the UK and the US through the Second World War without exacting a heavy toll on their own populations as Stalin did, they then built a fair peace that we are still benefitting from today. |
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| Author: | Queenie-C [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:27 am ] |
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It all depends on how you define "great." Nelson Mandela is pretty much the sole contemporary political leader and/or figure for whose achievements and ideas and works I hold an utter respect. Historically speaking, to me at least, Jesus Christ was a welcome revolutionary, as was Gandhi. A pity most of Jesus' teachings have been taken so far out of context over the years -- at least in terms of "holy" wars and inquisitions and prejudices and so on and so forth. Sigh. People are always messing up good things. |
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| Author: | Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:18 pm ] |
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Beyond the Grave wrote: Can we kill the Hitler talk please. I lost a relative in the Holocaust and I prefer not to think about it.
1. You're Jewish? 2. You can't escape it, it's an event in history that will always have to be faced as a travesty against humanity but it doesn't mean that Hitler wasn't an amazing leader to Germany. |
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| Author: | Beyond the Grave [ Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:57 am ] |
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Prof. Tor Coolguy wrote: Beyond the Grave wrote: Can we kill the Hitler talk please. I lost a relative in the Holocaust and I prefer not to think about it. 1. You're Jewish? 2. You can't escape it, it's an event in history that will always have to be faced as a travesty against humanity but it doesn't mean that Hitler wasn't an amazing leader to Germany. |
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| Author: | Examun [ Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:36 pm ] |
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Quote: He restored a broken nation to power, he was one of the most charismatic, albeit misguided, leaders of our time. That's his legacy. If you'll stop thinking that you can't be wrong for two seconds then you'd realize that.
Hitler wasn't an amazing leader. Things were going to get better for Germany anyway. He was just in the right place and the right time, and got all the credit. Charisma doesn't make a great leader. It excells a leader, gives them power, but doesn't affect how they use it. As for the official topic, I don't think I could pick any world leader and say "That's them! That's the greatest leader!" There are too many and they've all had thier own faults. |
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| Author: | Lunar Jesty [ Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:24 pm ] |
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Julius Ceasar was a great leader, but Octavian (Augustus Ceasar) allowed Julius Ceasar's sweeping reforms to be accepted.So He'sd be one of the people at the top of my list. |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:29 am ] |
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i say Malcom X was a great leader, i dont know why, just somthing inside me says "Malcom X was right" |
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