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I think Rep. Nadler, quoted in the article, summed it up pretty well: "If the flag needs protection at all, it needs protection from members of Congress who value the symbol more than the freedoms that the flag represents."

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I value the symbol of the American flag (and the Canadian flag) and think they deserve respect.

My problem with this is, doesn't Congress have better things to do?

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Con is the opposite of pro, so Congress is the opposite of...well, you see where I'm taking this.

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"Like you aren't an easy jab for my witty glivers and put-dubs."
-Stong Buh

My first thought was "Prozac?"

Then I figured it out.

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I don't really hold the flag in that much esteem. I think that if you fly one, it should be presentable. But considering that people make pants, seat cushions, and bikinis out of American flags, and use it to sell everything from beer to male enhancement drugs...well, I'm not sure corporate America really wants the flag to be considered sacred.

Frankly, if someone goes to their local Stuff-Mart and shells out the bucks to get one so they can burn it to express their frustration at government policies, I say let them act like idiots. But the last time I checked, Assault and Battery is a FELONY. Remember that the next time you decide to punch a flag-desecrator.

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It always makes me angry when I see somebody with one of those flags attached to their car, because the flag is invariably faded and frayed to shreds. I think neglect of the flag like that is at least as offensive as burning it in protest.

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i dont care much for the flag, its just a few peices of cheap cloth from china. im working on a suit made from several verry large american flags, and if it works and i get good at guitar, im gonna wear it on stage and do hendrixes star spangled banner. as for flag burnings, in da words of Bender: "Save it for the cross burning, Adolf"

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Roffle

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RIP Nathan "Buz" Buzdor

even though some people believe that flag burning is a crime worthy of the death sentance, if we take this away what makes the government say we cant...listen to music that protests war because it may offend the soldiers? bye bye all you green day fans

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Con as a prefix is actually Latin for with, not against.

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Wow... It's like you're almost reading my mind. Must have been a quick read? (figured I would beat IJ to the punch on that).
You see all these things made out of the flag that are, more or less, offensive to it, yet nobody says anything, but you burn one flag...
Personally, I have only burned one flag (a worn out, tattered one, cus that's what you're supposed to do with them). I know that was different that some wacko going," I hate Bush so I'm going to burn this piece of cloth, made in china, cus that'll change everything", but both would be banned, if you banned flag burning, I think..
The worst flag item I've ever seen was the tissue (Kleenex, if you will) made out of the flag. As best as I could tell, it was made in that post 9/11 "Hey, the flag is trendy, let's make it into everything we can" rush.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

I all of a sudden feel my patriotism renewed.

BOT I think they should not ban flag burning. After all that is the proper way to dispose of a worn out flag.

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Congress is trying to blan flag burning as a form of protest, not as as means of disposal.

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and by takin away our means of process we creep closer and closer to dictatorshps were noone may criticize the gov't[/quote]

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The way I understood it, it would ban both. Of course, with anything political you hear, ya gotta consider your source. I heard this from someone who was against the ban, so I dunno.. Didn't someone try this ban thing back when Clinton was in office (I'm thinking it was, like, his first term)? For some reason, I think there was an ammendment or something up for vote about this then.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

I don't think they should ban it for that. That would contradict(sp) the First Amendment, Freedom of Speech. Protest fall under Freedom of Speech.

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True. The Supreme Court is THE final word on Constitutional issues, so it would be giving too much power to Congress to overturn Texas v. Johnson and U.S. v. Eichman.

Besides, if the Senate passes the Amendment, 38 states still need to ratify it. This battle's just begun.

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How about Roe v. Wade?

I know that the Bible-thumping, uber conservative midwest will vote for the amendment.

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ahem i am from the midwest (ohio) and I am a stone-cold athiest and quite liberal.

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Maybe I should clarify things, what i meant to say was the Bible-belt.

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Being from a highly veterans and veterans-organization oriented family, I really should say that I support the ban, but I don't know if I do. On the one had, the flag needs to be respected. It shouldn't be burned, but on the other hand, forbidding people from burning it is limiting freedoms, so it's hard to say.

And I don't think the ban would also include proper retirement of flags. I know the American Legion, which supports the ban, burns old flags all the time.

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thank you

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I don't know who did it, but this is horrible.
I think it's just plain wrong!
And disrespective!

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Melonade Man: Gone forever.
Bye.

...What is? The ban, or the fact that people are burning the flag? Because people have been burning flags for years.

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I agree with them, in the respect that the flag should not be desecrated in protest. However, as some have said, they're frittering away time. There are probably many other bills that need approval, ones that actually serve to help people...

Hey, listen up. I don't care WHAT you guys say, but, here's a fact: burning Iran's flag is REALLY funny.

yeah, but what you really wanna burn is a cross on top of peoples lawns[/sarcastic] DOI! its about burning the american flag, as a boy scout, ill scratch anyone who does with my long nails, as a hippy i wont do it, but say that i should, and as a future member of ExOps, i say as long as i get paid for it. but right now, i say dont

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I think I speak for the entire forum when I quote Lil' John here.. "WHAT?!?"


I really think the whole idea is a waste of time. Aren't most American flags burned (in protest, anyways) outside of the US? Seems like the US Constitution is kinda powerless to stop that.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Yeah, regardless of whether there's an amendment or not, you're not going to be able to completely stop flag-burning in protest. I don't necessarily share their views, and I do value the flag as a symbol of the positive things the U.S. stands for, but I can understand people who are disgusted enough with what our country has done (particularly in the last few years) to want to take part in this. We don't really need to go as far as an amendment on it, or else that might open the doors for amendments on stupid crap that's far less significant, and like SR said, a lot of flag-burning in protest goes on outside the country anyway, so it's futile. I agree there are FAR more serious problems going on to worry about - this is almost as pointless as Congress getting involved in the whole 'steroids in baseball' mess.