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Author:  StrongRad [ Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:06 pm ]
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The more I think about this, the more I think it may be like that attempted Gay Marriage Ban amendment, nothing more than an attempt by the republicans to pander to votes that they're pretty much already won.
It's either that or something to distract us from something else..
Wow, a republican accusing his party of trickery..


I think that burning the US flag is REALLY offensive, and a slap in the face to those who have fought under it. Still, nobody says free speech can't offend anyone. Although I view burning the flag as a form of "hate speech", I also believe that such speech should be protected, since anything that offends someone could be labled as such.
Free speech is supposed to be just that, free. Besides, this is just a slippery slope kinda thing, the more Americans are willing to give up our freedoms, the more "They" will be willing to take them away from us.
Author:  Acekirby [ Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:07 pm ]
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Two Things:

1. The People in Congress MUST have something better to do. Maybe...the war?
2. The Constitution was written over 200 years ago. Why change it now?
Author:  StrongRad [ Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:49 am ]
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Shopiom wrote:
Two Things:
2. The Constitution was written over 200 years ago. Why change it now?


Well, we've done it 12 times since 1900, and once in the last 15 years.. Not that doing something once is a reason to do it again, but yeah..
The amendment process was built into the constitution to make it a document that could change as needs and circumstances dictated.
Author:  Simon Zeno [ Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:02 am ]
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I think that banning pretty much anything harmless is bad, so naturally I'm against this. I mean, it doesn't hurt anyone, and as long as you're burning your own flag and not your neighbor's, then it's within the bounds of all laws that I know of. Denying simple freedoms like this is horrible. If I feel like it, I should be able to do all sorts of things to a flag. Not that I do feel like it, but I should be able to.
Author:  IantheGecko [ Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:13 am ]
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Simon Zeno wrote:
I think that banning pretty much anything harmless is bad, so naturally I'm against this. I mean, it doesn't hurt anyone, and as long as you're burning your own flag and not your neighbor's, then it's within the bounds of all laws that I know of. Denying simple freedoms like this is horrible. If I feel like it, I should be able to do all sorts of things to a flag. Not that I do feel like it, but I should be able to.


Burning a flag hurts people's feelings. Like mine. However, the Supreme Court did rule in United States v. Eichman that 1989's Flag Protection Act was un-Constitutional. If Congress tries to pass a Flag Desecration Amendment, that gives them too much power. CHECKS AND BALANCES'd!
Author:  King Nintendoid [ Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:07 am ]
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The one thing this will do is cause an alltime high in flag burning. Trust me. It's like... banning alcohol. Suddenly everyone becomes a drunk.

We could make money off it. Secret 'Flag Burning Caves/Underground Bunkers/Basements'.
Author:  IantheGecko [ Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:48 pm ]
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Well, in Holland, you, KN, can burn the American flag all you want.
Author:  StrongRad [ Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:00 pm ]
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IanTheGecko wrote:
Well, in Holland, you, KN, can burn the American flag all you want.

In Soviet Russia, flag burns you!

Er, umm, I mean I don't support burning the flag as a form of protest. I kinda find it offensive. However, for society to be truly free, we need TOTAL freedom of speech. Banning something just because it offends people is worse than allowing it. I guess what I mean is, even though I don't support burning the American flag in protest, I support banning the burning of the American flag in protest even less.

It's a slippery slope thing. Give up one freedom, it just makes it easier for them to take others from us..

People that want to do so should be allowed to burn the flag, but they should also remember that I have the right to make fun of them for it.
Author:  King Nintendoid [ Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:37 am ]
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IanTheGecko wrote:
Well, in Holland, you, KN, can burn the American flag all you want.


It's THE NETHERLANDS! Image

And ow yeah, we burn stuff here alright :)
Author:  racerx_is_alive [ Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:11 pm ]
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King Nintendoid wrote:
IanTheGecko wrote:
Well, in Holland, you, KN, can burn the American flag all you want.


It's THE NETHERLANDS! Image

And ow yeah, we burn stuff here alright :)


I thought that both Holland and the Netherlands were officially accepted names. At least that's what they teach in schools here... Is that not true? Or do you just have a strong preference for the Netherlands?

On a side note, my wife was born in Nieuwegein. Is that anywhere near where you live, KN?
Author:  King Nintendoid [ Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:45 pm ]
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Nah, Utrecht is quite a long stroll away from here. Gelderland, you see :p

Holland is a name that blundered it's way into acceptance through stupid Dutch politicians who can't pronounce "The Netherlands". We do have North and South Holland though, but those are provinces.


Wait.. I don't know wheter flag burning is illigal here......
Author:  DanBo [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:16 am ]
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Toastpaint-ish!

I am a guide-on bearer this coming semester, so me and the other guide-on must make it our responsibility to never desecrate or allow the desecration of our flag. If we drop it, there's "heck" to pay.

However, if you want to use it as a sign of protest, it's ok..just don't do it using the flag I'm carrying (I'll get in big trouble, you see). How many pictures do you see with Bush with a Hitler-style mustache? Or effigies of political figures? The fact is, if they ban burning the flag, they should ban other forms of protest. And that is unlawful, as written in the Constitution.

Oh and why doesn't Congress go on to better things? Because that, my friend, would require time, patience, and money. And those are things for people with long attention spans. Which means very few Americans.
Author:  IantheGecko [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:25 am ]
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You mean desecrate, DanBo?
Author:  DanBo [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:41 am ]
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What are you talking about Ian? I would never have a brain-fart like that. Now go back to correcting those who have had brain-farts.
Author:  IantheGecko [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:54 am ]
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It was consecrate first.

TOAST PAINT!!!
Author:  King Nintendoid [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:35 am ]
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Hmm..

I really need to find that image of Bush writing something on a small American flag, with the words "flag desecration in progress" :p
Author:  What's Her Face [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:56 pm ]
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Y'mean this one...

Image

Ohhh, the world would be a boring place without that man.
Author:  StrongCanada [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:30 pm ]
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What's her face wrote:
Y'mean this one...

*picture*

Ohhh, the world would be a boring place without that man.


That doesn't mean that's Dubya. It's the back of some guy's head. Perhaps it is him, but that picture doesn't prove it (not to me, anyway). Not that I'm defending him, just stating a fact.
Author:  What's Her Face [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:02 pm ]
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StrongCanada wrote:
That doesn't mean that's Dubya. It's the back of some guy's head. Perhaps it is him, but that picture doesn't prove it (not to me, anyway). Not that I'm defending him, just stating a fact.


True true. I got to searching around as to what agency owns the pic. It's Associated Press, and they say it's Bush. Though a fair point you make - we have only their word for it.
Author:  IantheGecko [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:29 pm ]
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But how do we know that he's writing "flag desecration in progress"? Looks like W's autographing that flag.
Author:  DanBo [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:33 pm ]
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IanTheGecko wrote:
But how do we know that he's writing "flag desecration in progress"? Looks like W's autographing that flag.


He is autographing the flag. But the thing is I think people are overblowing that part of flag desecration. During the end of WWII, flags with signatures and messages were exchanged by many different countries. My grandfather was on the Missouri during the Japanese surrender and has such a flag.

I think desecration of the flag has more to do with purposeful defacement.

EDIT: 500th POST!
Author:  What's Her Face [ Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:01 pm ]
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IanTheGecko wrote:
But how do we know that he's writing "flag desecration in progress"? Looks like W's autographing that flag.


Nah, he's not. I'm thinking KN was referring to another version of that pic with that slogan Photoshopped in.

Congrats, DanBo! and good point. There are a whole lot of ant-Bush blogs and sites that used this pic - and they either blow it up as flag desecration tantamount to blasphemy, or as just another of Bush's blunders. It's all about your own ideology and who you want to turn it against.
Author:  King Nintendoid [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:13 am ]
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But most people just want to have a good laugh with everyone's favourite fake cowboy and president (teh factz: Dubya only pretends to be Texan. He was born in Conneticut).

PS: here's the version I was referring to:
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EDIT: the comment under the picture was:
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Federal Flag Code, Section 4(g): "The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature."
Author:  DESTROY US ALL! [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:44 pm ]
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a few friends and i did some flag burning today. thought i's post it here :)
Author:  Didymus [ Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:17 am ]
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And we should care because...
Author:  DESTROY US ALL! [ Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:22 am ]
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i dont know, i ust figured i did it and i posted it here....
I WAS BORED OKAY?

sorry sorry sorry

toastpaint
Author:  Snailmail [ Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:19 am ]
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So many people find the flag as a horrific symbol, when it's supposed to be the opposite, it's about the little angel consciounce on America's shoulder... NewYork maybe? Still, burning the flag is burning what's right about a country.
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