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I don't really hold the flag in that much esteem. I think that if you fly one, it should be presentable.

Ungurait#7 wrote:

Con is the opposite of pro, so Congress is the opposite of...

My first thought was "Prozac?"

Then I figured it out.

Con is the opposite of pro, so Congress is the opposite of...well, you see where I'm taking this.

I don't really hold the flag in that much esteem. I think that if you fly one, it should be presentable. But considering that people make pants, seat cushions, and bikinis out of American flags, and use it to sell everything from beer to male enhancement drugs...well, I'm not sure corporate America really wants the flag to be considered sacred.

bikinis out of American flags

Congress is trying to blan flag burning as a form of protest, not as as means of disposal.

True. The Supreme Court is THE final word on Constitutional issues, so it would be giving too much power to Congress to overturn Texas v. Johnson and U.S. v. Eichman.

Besides, if the Senate passes the Amendment, 38 states still need to ratify it. This battle's just begun.

I know that the Bible-thumping, uber conservative midwest will vote for the amendment.

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I know that the Bible-thumping, uber conservative midwest will vote for the amendment.

ahem i am from the midwest (ohio) and I am a stone-cold athiest and quite liberal.

dag_yo wrote:
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I know that the Bible-thumping, uber conservative midwest will vote for the amendment.

ahem i am from the midwest (ohio) and I am a stone-cold athiest and quite liberal.
Maybe I should clarify things, what i meant to say was the Bible-belt.

I don't know who did it, but this is horrible.
I think it's just plain wrong!
And disrespective!

yeah, but what you really wanna burn is a cross on top of peoples lawns[/sarcastic] DOI! its about burning the american flag, as a boy scout, ill scratch anyone who does with my long nails, as a hippy i wont do it, but say that i should, and as a future member of ExOps, i say as long as i get paid for it. but right now, i say dont

Author:	Mr. Sparkle [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:05 pm ]
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Do we really need an amendment for this?

Author:	InterruptorJones [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:27 pm ]
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I think Rep. Nadler, quoted in the article, summed it up pretty well: "If the flag needs protection at all, it needs protection from members of Congress who value the symbol more than the freedoms that the flag represents."

Author:	StrongCanada [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:39 pm ]
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I value the symbol of the American flag (and the Canadian flag) and think they deserve respect. My problem with this is, doesn't Congress have better things to do?

Author:	Ungurait#7 [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:06 pm ]
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Con is the opposite of pro, so Congress is the opposite of...well, you see where I'm taking this.

Author:	InterruptorJones [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:40 pm ]
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Ungurait#7 wrote: Con is the opposite of pro, so Congress is the opposite of... My first thought was "Prozac?" Then I figured it out.

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Author:	Didymus [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:02 pm ]
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I don't really hold the flag in that much esteem. I think that if you fly one, it should be presentable. But considering that people make pants, seat cushions, and bikinis out of American flags, and use it to sell everything from beer to male enhancement drugs...well, I'm not sure corporate America really wants the flag to be considered sacred. Frankly, if someone goes to their local Stuff-Mart and shells out the bucks to get one so they can burn it to express their frustration at government policies, I say let them act like idiots. But the last time I checked, Assault and Battery is a FELONY. Remember that the next time you decide to punch a flag-desecrator.

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:37 am ]
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i dont care much for the flag, its just a few peices of cheap cloth from china. im working on a suit made from several verry large american flags, and if it works and i get good at guitar, im gonna wear it on stage and do hendrixes star spangled banner. as for flag burnings, in da words of Bender: "Save it for the cross burning, Adolf"

Author:	Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:18 pm ]
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InterruptorJones wrote: Ungurait#7 wrote: Con is the opposite of pro, so Congress is the opposite of... My first thought was "Prozac?" Then I figured it out. Roffle

Author:	DESTROY US ALL! [ Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:03 pm ]
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even though some people believe that flag burning is a crime worthy of the death sentance, if we take this away what makes the government say we cant...listen to music that protests war because it may offend the soldiers? bye bye all you green day fans

Author:	IantheGecko [ Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:37 pm ]
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Ungurait#7 wrote: Con is the opposite of pro, so Congress is the opposite of...well, you see where I'm taking this. Con as a prefix is actually Latin for with, not against.

Author:	StrongRad [ Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:20 pm ]
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Didymus wrote: I don't really hold the flag in that much esteem. I think that if you fly one, it should be presentable. But considering that people make pants, seat cushions, and bikinis out of American flags, and use it to sell everything from beer to male enhancement drugs...well, I'm not sure corporate America really wants the flag to be considered sacred. Wow... It's like you're almost reading my mind. Must have been a quick read? (figured I would beat IJ to the punch on that). You see all these things made out of the flag that are, more or less, offensive to it, yet nobody says anything, but you burn one flag... Personally, I have only burned one flag (a worn out, tattered one, cus that's what you're supposed to do with them). I know that was different that some wacko going," I hate Bush so I'm going to burn this piece of cloth, made in china, cus that'll change everything", but both would be banned, if you banned flag burning, I think.. The worst flag item I've ever seen was the tissue (Kleenex, if you will) made out of the flag. As best as I could tell, it was made in that post 9/11 "Hey, the flag is trendy, let's make it into everything we can" rush.

Author:	Beyond the Grave [ Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:23 pm ]
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Quote: bikinis out of American flags I all of a sudden feel my patriotism renewed. BOT I think they should not ban flag burning. After all that is the proper way to dispose of a worn out flag.

Author:	IantheGecko [ Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:56 pm ]
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Congress is trying to blan flag burning as a form of protest, not as as means of disposal.

Author:	DESTROY US ALL! [ Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:08 pm ]
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and by takin away our means of process we creep closer and closer to dictatorshps were noone may criticize the gov't[/quote]

Author:	Sui [ Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:36 pm ]
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I agree with them, in the respect that the flag should not be desecrated in protest. However, as some have said, they're frittering away time. There are probably many other bills that need approval, ones that actually serve to help people...

Author:	GeneralDoli [ Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:00 am ]
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Hey, listen up. I don't care WHAT you guys say, but, here's a fact: burning Iran's flag is REALLY funny.

Author:	Encountering Gremlins [ Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:26 pm ]
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Yeah, regardless of whether there's an amendment or not, you're not going to be able to completely stop flag-burning in protest. I don't necessarily share their views, and I do value the flag as a symbol of the positive things the U.S. stands for, but I can understand people who are disgusted enough with what our country has done (particularly in the last few years) to want to take part in this. We don't really need to go as far as an amendment on it, or else that might open the doors for amendments on stupid crap that's far less significant, and like SR said, a lot of flag-burning in protest goes on outside the country anyway, so it's futile. I agree there are FAR more serious problems going on to worry about - this is almost as pointless as Congress getting involved in the whole 'steroids in baseball' mess.

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Author:	StrongRad [ Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:13 am ]
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IantheGecko wrote: Congress is trying to blan flag burning as a form of protest, not as as means of disposal. The way I understood it, it would ban both. Of course, with anything political you hear, ya gotta consider your source. I heard this from someone who was against the ban, so I dunno.. Didn't someone try this ban thing back when Clinton was in office (I'm thinking it was, like, his first term)? For some reason, I think there was an ammendment or something up for vote about this then.

Author:	Beyond the Grave [ Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:34 am ]
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IantheGecko wrote: Congress is trying to blan flag burning as a form of protest, not as as means of disposal. I don't think they should ban it for that. That would contradict(sp) the First Amendment, Freedom of Speech. Protest fall under Freedom of Speech.

Author:	IantheGecko [ Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:00 pm ]
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True. The Supreme Court is THE final word on Constitutional issues, so it would be giving too much power to Congress to overturn Texas v. Johnson and U.S. v. Eichman. Besides, if the Senate passes the Amendment, 38 states still need to ratify it. This battle's just begun.

Author:	Beyond the Grave [ Sun Jul 03, 2005 3:53 pm ]
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IantheGecko wrote: True. The Supreme Court is THE final word on Constitutional issues, so it would be giving too much power to Congress to overturn Texas v. Johnson and U.S. v. Eichman. Besides, if the Senate passes the Amendment, 38 states still need to ratify it. This battle's just begun. How about Roe v. Wade? I know that the Bible-thumping, uber conservative midwest will vote for the amendment.

Author:	DESTROY US ALL! [ Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:27 pm ]
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Quote: I know that the Bible-thumping, uber conservative midwest will vote for the amendment. ahem i am from the midwest (ohio) and I am a stone-cold athiest and quite liberal.

Author:	Beyond the Grave [ Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:40 pm ]
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dag_yo wrote: Quote: I know that the Bible-thumping, uber conservative midwest will vote for the amendment. ahem i am from the midwest (ohio) and I am a stone-cold athiest and quite liberal. Maybe I should clarify things, what i meant to say was the Bible-belt.

Author:	Jitka [ Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:17 am ]
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Being from a highly veterans and veterans-organization oriented family, I really should say that I support the ban, but I don't know if I do. On the one had, the flag needs to be respected. It shouldn't be burned, but on the other hand, forbidding people from burning it is limiting freedoms, so it's hard to say. And I don't think the ban would also include proper retirement of flags. I know the American Legion, which supports the ban, burns old flags all the time.

Author:	DESTROY US ALL! [ Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:47 pm ]
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Quote: dag_yo wrote: Quote: I know that the Bible-thumping, uber conservative midwest will vote for the amendment. ahem i am from the midwest (ohio) and I am a stone-cold athiest and quite liberal. Maybe I should clarify things, what i meant to say was the Bible-belt. thank you

Author:	Melonade Man [ Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:11 pm ]
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I don't know who did it, but this is horrible. I think it's just plain wrong! And disrespective!

Author:	Jitka [ Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:14 pm ]
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Melonade Man wrote: I don't know who did it, but this is horrible. I think it's just plain wrong! And disrespective! ...What is? The ban, or the fact that people are burning the flag? Because people have been burning flags for years.

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:55 am ]
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yeah, but what you really wanna burn is a cross on top of peoples lawns[/sarcastic] DOI! its about burning the american flag, as a boy scout, ill scratch anyone who does with my long nails, as a hippy i wont do it, but say that i should, and as a future member of ExOps, i say as long as i get paid for it. but right now, i say dont

Author:	StrongRad [ Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:08 pm ]
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Modestly Hot Guy wrote: yeah, but what you really wanna burn is a cross on top of peoples lawns[/sarcastic] DOI! its about burning the american flag, as a boy scout, ill scratch anyone who does with my long nails, as a hippy i wont do it, but say that i should, and as a future member of ExOps, i say as long as i get paid for it. but right now, i say dont I think I speak for the entire forum when I quote Lil' John here.. "WHAT?!?" I really think the whole idea is a waste of time. Aren't most American flags burned (in protest, anyways) outside of the US? Seems like the US Constitution is kinda powerless to stop that.