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Yeah, you're right. I guess I was just taking the information from the place where Tartarus is mentioned, where the Bible says that "Jesus descended into hell" before he was resurrected.



Thanks for setting me straight, Didymus. I appreciate your input, it makes a lot of sense. Just wondering, are you a pastor?

Very yes, last I heard he was a pastor for not 1 but 2 churches. That makes him super cool in my book.

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RIP Nathan "Buz" Buzdor

Well, folks, since my Greek speaking mad skillz are of no more use, I will leave you with this word of wisdom: Acheron isn't just a river in Hell. It's a river in Greece, too.

Oh, yeah. My catch-phrase.

Hello, and thanks for all the cheese. Seriously you guys. Thanks.

I was thinking, are there any other places in the Bible where Rahab is used to refer to Egypt? I don't think there is, and if it DID refer to Egypt, then why not just say Egypt? Why used Rahab as a word? That's why I think Isaiah might be referring to something other than Egypt. (Like a planet.)

Rahab simply means arrogance. It's used to describe Egypt's arrogance. That's why they don't simply say Egypt. It's like using pronouns. "Mrs. Applebee will be here soon. She will be here soon." If they meant Mrs. Applebee in the second sentence, why didn't they just say that? Because; they didn't have to. As in, their audience fully understood what they meant.

i believe that some people have been abducted. I also believe in aliens. here's why: The universe goes on forever. There cant only be one planet with life out of the god-knows-how-many planets are out there.

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What I think about any other life:

Probobly just small bacterias.. nothing more.

Any "abduction" has to be lies, in my opinion.

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HAHAHAHA! I am sorry, but you are incorrect, good sir. The Universe does -not- go on forever. The Universe is finite. Yes, it is large, EXTREMELY LARGE. However, it is finite in both time and space. This is all part of something called relativity, which was come up with about 100 years ago.

Job 9:12
Job 26:12
Psalm 87:4
Psalm 89:10
Isaiah 30:7
Isaiah 51:9

As for the second part of your question, for the same reason that Israel is sometimes called Jacob, or Jerusalem sometimes called Zion. In our culture, it's the same as when we used to call the Soviet Union "the Big Bear" or "the Evil Empire."

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I believe most alien encounters are people who want attention or are mentally unstable. The rest I think could be people's encounter with the demonic. They can't explain them in earthly terms and their encounters sound similar to people who have encountered demons.
Even Satan comes as an angel of light, the Bible says and this means that Satan and his demons do much to distract us from God and His way.
So some aliens may take up the guise of aliens. Some people worship them. And alien worship is one of the fastest growing minor religions.

Ahhhh.... Thanks!

Tinitin: I agree with you about aliens posing as demons, and with alien worship becoming a larger religion. In fact, it may be that in the end times, when Satan comes to earth in disguise, he may appear as an alien to get the worship of everyone.

I don't know about you, but I don't think I'd be worshipping any aliens that show up. In fact, I've never heard of that happening. You'd think that if anyone worshipped aliens it'd have a Wikipedia article, right?

Why is it that whenever some people encounter something they don't understand, they automatically attribute it to demons or the supernatural? The ancient Greeks didn't understand why night fell, so they decided it was Apollo's chariot sinking below the horizon. They didn't know what caused the seasons, so they invented the story of Ceres and Persephone.

We don't understand aliens, so we explain them away with equally implausible myths. I think that in time, when we understand better, more people will realize that aliens just might actually be living, sentient creatures that are not from the Earth.

How would you react if aliens made contact tomorrow, like if they just appeared over a bunch of cities? I'm just curious.

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Actually, there is scheduled to be a low-flying "alien craft" appearing over Las Vegas soon. I don't know if you've heard of that guy (who goes by "Prophet") that can summon aliens by "praying" to them? I've seen him on TV. He went with this reporter (who fully expected nothing to happen) to a park and prayed to the effect that "he will be sent a messenger." At that, a light appeared in the sky and started flying towards him and the reporter. The reporter was freaked out. And after that occurence, "Prophet" said that there would be more, and one would appear over Las Vegas, flying low over the city, within a few months.

Douglas, you watch too much TV. I saw the same thing, which could easily have been photoshopped. Hell, we could have seen the thing in Powered by the Cheat.

Demons don't visit the Earth any more. There's no reason for them to. God holds power over the demons. If you look back, the only reasons people have been 'possessed' or 'harmed' by demons is because God was trying to prove something.

GeneralDoli:

How do you come to the conclusion that demons aren't at work anymore? Do you have any particular source to confirm that?

I'm not sure I believe it, though. I myself tend to be a somewhat rationalistic Christian, but I have observed demonic power at work. The Scriptures clearly tell us that we are at war with hell, and while the victory is most certainly ours, we are still commanded to fight. I do not believe that Scripture would so command us unless there actually was a real battle going on.

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I really doubt that anyone's ever been abducted here on Earth, but I do believe that there is more life somewhere out there. As far as we know, only one plannet in our solar system is capable of supporting life, but there are countless other stars, at least some of them having planets, and chances are, that at least one of those thousands and thousands of planets must be capable of supporting life, and most likely, one of those planets does have life.

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Earlier in the thread, I mentioned two books, Out of the Silent Planet and Perelandra. Has anyone read either of these? Well worth reading.

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C.S Lewis is a master author isn't he?
Yep, I've read those and That Hideous Strength also. Very good and nice to see some science fiction with Christian truths but without bashing people over the head with God's Word. I enjoyed the books but found some parts a bit hard to take in the writing style of days gone by. I enjoyed That Hideous Strength the most and found it the easiest to read of the three. Highly recommended books!
(And the Chronicles of Narnia are awesome too!)

Well, I'm not a chrostian, or any other religion, for that matter. I take things scientiffically, and am always skeptical.

The odds of life on another planet are slim. They would need many things, including a planet like Jupiter protecting them from meteors. But, since there are so many planets, the chances of life are quite high. Obviously, there are bacteria on many planets, probably, and that itself is life, even if it's not the life we think of.

But then, what are the chances of beings like us? A dolphin isn't gonna build a spaceship and come to Earth to kill us all. Plus, the chances of bacteria evolving into beings loike us is, also, very slim. luckily, as I mentioned before, there being so many planets out there, I beleive that life like us is there, somewhere.

But where did the whole "Aliens are evil" myth come from? Any aliens are probably like us, they jsut want to know if they are out there. Why would a whole species want to kill a species on another planet that doesn't even know the "evil" species is alive?

Also, the chances of UFO's is even more lim. Even if an evil alien specie is out there, which, per planet's odds are about ten trillion - one, what are the chances that they would be able build UFO's, travel all the way to Earth, back, then probably back again, and back, and back? Albert Einstein once proved that the speed limit of the universe is the speed of light, and it would take hundreds of years for light to get from far away planets to Earth, not mentioning that UFO's probably wouldn't be able to gret to a hundreth of the speed of light. Not even close. Therefore, the chances of an abdutcion is about one hundred trillion to one.

Or so I beleive.

Oh no. I believe UFOs. In fact, most things I see in the sky are UFOs. I can't identify if they're airplanes or helicopters, but I know they're aircraft.

No. They only come here to warn us. And to eat fish.

The "Aliens = Evil" myth is a Hollywood creation. If human beings are frightened and tend to destroy things different from themselves, it stands to reason that aliens would react the same way. In other words, the "Aliens = Evil" seems to originate in the "Humans = Evil" observation. But one of the things Lewis' books point out is that aliens don't necessarily have the same corruption and insecurity that we have. They might even be decent folks.

Personally, I think there's a very simple explanation for UFO's. Keep in mind, most of them are spotted in and around New Mexico, and the so-called Area 51. Well here's my theory. Stealth aircraft technology as we know it today is actually a very old technology, going all the way back to post WWII times. Well, many of the experimental stealth aircraft (which did not actually become part of the US arsenal until many decades after their testing) look just like UFO's. Just look at the B-2 and the F-117. Tell me they don't look just like UFO's. So here's the deal: you have experimental aircraft being tested in remote secret locations, like Area 51, and on occasion, one of them would crash or steer off coarse, and then civilians would see it. Of course those people sent in to recover the aircraft did so wearing protective suits which resembled aliens. And the military just let the rumors of aliens circulate. They couldn't very well deny them without revealing too much about the stealth aircraft program.

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That's a good point, Didymus. I'm sure a lot of UFO sightings can be explained by experimental aircraft. But there are some UFO's that can't be explained by the standard responses (weather balloon, swamp gas, A Flock of Seagulls). There's a small percentage of UFO's that have never been satisfactorily resolved by Project Blue Book or any other UFO investigation. They might not be aliens, but then again they might be.

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I've read the trilogy. I think that Lewis did not actually believe in alien life, but that these books are an allegory. The first one shows man's corruption, the second one shows what would have happened if Satan had been stopped in the Garden of Eden, and the last one is an allegory on the End Times.

Good prize! Most of Lewis' fiction tends to be allegory.

However, That Hideous Strength is more about how man tends to use his knowledge and power to deface and destroy. It's actually specifically related to the Tower of Babel, sort of a modern retelling, if you will.

I referenced the first two books, however, to show that, when it concerns the existence of life on other worlds, two things:
1. Christians need not discount the possibility.
2. If life does exist on other worlds, we ought not assume they think like us.

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With all the planets out there, it's imrpobable that there isn't any other sentient life out there in the galaxy. Have we been visited by any? I'm somewhat doubtful, but it's possible.

I definitely believe that there's sentient life out there. After all, the universe is infinite, or at least really, really big. The odds are incredibly high that there are some distant planets with sentient life. And God would've created those planets, too.

As for abductions, I'm not sure. There have been plenty of stories, yes, but who knows if they're true? I'm not going to rule out the possibility, though.
Of course, I'm sure not all aliens want to abduct humans and probe them...there are probably plenty of aliens who are content to go about their lives (and they may well be wondering if there's any other sentient life out there).

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I have one thing to say about this:

The parts of the universe that we can percieve holds billions upon billions of stars. The fact that in one of these solar systems, on one planet, life was possible, means that at least a billion other planets could harbour life, and if given time, that life will become sentient. And eventually reach 'human' intellectual capacity.

If I pointed at a random star and said "life exists there", I'm quite sure the odds are with me.

I'm with you on that, K.N.

The chance that I turned out exactly as I did bordered on the 'impossible'.
The chance that atom over there moved towards me bordered on the 'impossible'.
The chance I even exist right now borders on the 'impossible'.

There are thousands and millions of planets out there, all with at least one chance of harbouring life. All of those chances add up to a high probability of there being sentient life. In reality, there is nothing truly 'impossible'

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Have you ever noticed on Star Trek how they assume that sentient life is almost always humanoid? I mean, of the 50,000 different races they encountered, how many of them had extra legs, or tentacles, or multiple eyeballs, or crap like that?

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What always bugged me most on Star Trek was that when two ships had a chance encounter in space, they were always oriented in the same way, as though everyone in the galaxy had agreed on which way was "up."

But that's neither toast nor paint.

If anybody's interested in reading a believable depiction of civilized alien life, I highly recommend anything by Vernor Vinge, such as A Fire Upon the Deep or A Deepness in the Sky. Vinge imagines some fantastic races and explores their characters with attention to detail that can only be described as Tolkeinesque.

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