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Well, I personally think that just because the Bible never mentions aliens doesn't mean that they couldn't exist. It's like those people who think the dinosaurs didn't exist because they weren't mentioned in the Bible.

The Bible deals mostly with our specific world. It never mentions what God did on other worlds and places after creation of the entire universe--just the affairs of ours, our relationship with God and his son Jesus, the accounts of the Apostles and whatnot. I know me and Didymus had a clash over my mentioning of it, but things like Ezekiel's Spaceship could prove me wrong on this. I dunno enough about the details concerning that to really say more on it though.

At any rate, my bias could be influenced by the fact that me and my mother saw something ... unnerving one night at March A.F.B. back in the 90's.

March A.F.B used to be a major base for aerial refueling and transport aircraft. Big loud noisy planes. But we've had plenty of unique stuff happen there. For instance, Air Force One once stopped at March when Clinton was visiting. Using binoculars from my house, which was reasonably near the flight line, I could see secret servicemen walking about inside.

Yet one night while taking a walk with my mom, we saw seven solid amber and triangular-shaped lights in a flying V formation heading paralell over the runways. There was NO sound at all. None. The lights did not conform to ANY federal lighting regulations for aircraft (I know this, because I was a student pilot at one point). No colored or flashing positional lights, just seven amber colored triangles.

They moved pretty fast too, about as fast as your typical fighter jet. They appeared to be seven individual objects because there was some movement between them.

Then, as they passed through a cloud, they vanished. Just like that.

Explain that one to me, because I can't figure it out! Was it top secret government aerial projects? Alien spaceships? I have no real clue. It wasn't a figment of my imagination, though, because I wasn't the only one who saw it.

As an interesting side note, my father (a retired USAF Master Sergeant who worked in law enforcement) was once offered a job to work at Groom Lake, otherwise known as Area 51 (I am not lying). However he's been sworn under oath not to reveal anything that was told to him. Several times over the years me and my mom have tried to get him to say what he was told during his, uh, interview, but he's always refused.

EDIT: ... I've always wanted to partake in this sacred ritual.

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I'm Christian and I believe that there are other things out there. They may not be more technologically advanced then we are, but maybe they use different technology than we do. God created man in his own image, but that doesn't mean he couldn't create anything else that was not in his own image.

Just my $0.02...

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I do belive this stuff. This is some of the stuff I've hear that leads me to belive they existed.

Document One: We take our story to somewhere near Central America. 4 girls walk away from school, and a took a shortcut through a foresty area. A foul stench was present, and then one of the girls saw it. A red, small, being crouching, and raising it's head. The girls ran as fast as they could.

Document Two: It takes place in a lake, but unsure of which. These two men, out on boats one day, saw an airplane fall into the lake. They immediatley contacted authoraties, and went out to check for remains. What they found, were no traces except for a yellow foam right where the supposed "plane" had crashed.

I have more documents, but I'll save em.

As far as Religous, I kinda agree with a lot of the therioes here.

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A foul stench was present, and then one of the girls saw it. A red, small, being crouching, and raising it's head.

That was a Chupacabra, not an alien.

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A foul stench was present, and then one of the girls saw it. A red, small, being crouching, and raising it's head.

That was a Chupacabra, not an alien.


Really? Sure looked like an Alien. If so, why did tjhe goverenement come to pay the mother of one of the shcool girls money so they wouldnt tell anyone? I'm pretty sure Chupacabra's arent really Area 51...

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I question the validity of these "so-called" documents, anyway. I mean, so far, I have only your word that they exist. Can you cite any references so that I can read them and judge them for myself?

And I find it just as likely that the government would try to cover up the existence of Chupacabra as they would the existence of aliens.

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I question the validity of these "so-called" documents, anyway. I mean, so far, I have only your word that they exist. Can you cite any references so that I can read them and judge them for myself?

And I find it just as likely that the government would try to cover up the existence of Chupacabra as they would the existence of aliens.


I can find proof of these. I'm not THAT creative. If you get Discovery Kids(I watch it for spooky crap only), and check it out around 9:00 Western NY time,(If thats valid) they run a program where they explain all these weird mysteries, like...THe Bermuda Triangle, or the Shadow People, and stuff like that.

It's not Truth Or Scare, BTW. But thats probably a more valid show. Way creepier, too.

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So it's a kid's show on the Discovery Channel? Surely there must be something more substantial than that. Like actual documents.

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Remember: The universe goes on for infinity.

Infinity Is a powerfull concept. When it is applied, anything is possible. Like the idea that when an infinite amount of monkeys given an Infinite amount of time (And maybe infinite food?)would eventully reproduce the works of shakepere.

So, with that in mind, it is an IMPOSSIBILITY that life does not exist on other planets. In fact, any situation you can think of, ANYTHING AT ALL, is happening somewhere out there. Yes, somewhere in that ininity there is a reproduction of earth where a Giraffe is president. Somewhere Ducks walk on walls. And Homestar DEFINTATLY exists somewhere.

With Homestar in mind as an example, what is the possibility that well run into Homestar one of these days? None. Not at all. No.

In conclusion: Life Exists: But since the universe goes on forever and stuff, its EXTREMELY unlikely that us, right here, will ever meet other life.

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The only problem with that is that the Universe does not, in fact, go on infinitely, but has an ever-widening limit. The Big Bang did not suddenly create an infinite empty space, but instead created an unimaginably rapidly expanding -but finite- Universe. The edge of the Universe is moving away from us at a rate faster than light, so we can never see the edge, but it is not infinite.

However, the Universe is unimaginably huge, and that fact leads me to think that, even if there is only life on, say, one out of every billion likely planets, the possibility of life existing out there remains too huge to be ignored. Think of this: Our galaxy, the Milky Way, contains about 100 billion stars. We know of many, many other galaxies, and if they each contain approximately the same amount of stars as the Milky Way, and if each star system contains at least one likely planet, there's thousands of intelligent civilizations right there.

Personally, I am incapable of understanding how anyone can not believe in extraterrestrial intelligence. Its existence is obvious; all that remains is the final formality of proof by making contact.

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though very unlikly that They exist, I still beleive in them cause it solves some big questions for me.

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Halloween-Themed Name wrote:
The edge of the Universe is moving away from us at a rate faster than light, so we can never see the edge, but it is not infinite.


Incorrect. Nothing can move faster than light. Light is the universal speed limit, according to science at the moment.


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Yes, that's the theory. Actually, I probably shouldn't have said FASTER than light. I probably would have been better off with "as fast as" light.

The rest of my post is true, though. We'll never be able to see the boundary of the universe because of how quickly it's moving away from us.

Toastpaint back to the topic of aliens.

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Well, I personally think that just because the Bible never mentions aliens doesn't mean that they couldn't exist. It's like those people who think the dinosaurs didn't exist because they weren't mentioned in the Bible.


actually if you translate Genesis 1:21 correctly, it seems likely to be referring to dinosaurs. just a fun fact!


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WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON:
1. God is holy and the highest of all things!
2. Satan, demonds, and fallen angels are evil, and will try to tell us other wise, we must stand strong and hold to our Christain believe!

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Trogdor, the Burninator wrote:
WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON:
1. God is holy and the highest of all things!
2. Satan, demonds, and fallen angels are evil, and will try to tell us other wise, we must stand strong and hold to our Christain believe!


Not everyone can agree on any of those things, and what do they have to do with aliens? (?)

Are you saying that aliens are demons or Satan's minions, or what? I'm a tad confused as to the relevancy of that statement in this particular thread.

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So, with that in mind, it is an IMPOSSIBILITY that life does not exist on other planets. In fact, any situation you can think of, ANYTHING AT ALL, is happening somewhere out there. Yes, somewhere in that ininity there is a reproduction of earth where a Giraffe is president. Somewhere Ducks walk on walls. And Homestar DEFINTATLY exists somewhere.


I'm going to have to pick you up on this one. An infinite universe does not necessarily mean that every possible world exists. That's like saying that an infinite set of numbers must contain every possible number. But the infinite set of even numbers doesn't contain the number 17, for example.

Sorry, but Homestar exists nowhere but on our screens, where he belongs.

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Trogdor, the Burninator wrote:
WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON:
1. God is holy and the highest of all things!
2. Satan, demonds, and fallen angels are evil, and will try to tell us other wise, we must stand strong and hold to our Christain believe!


Not everyone can agree on any of those things, and what do they have to do with aliens? (?)

Are you saying that aliens are demons or Satan's minions, or what? I'm a tad confused as to the relevancy of that statement in this particular thread.

no, but one dude was saying that so i was talking about that, and frankly if you dont agree with the christain morals i spoke of i dont care...but i still honor your desition cuz i try to be a good christain :)

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what!? thats intergalactic racism right there, anyway has anyone seen this video ?http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5807539640582814525&q=alien+autopsy (warning: kinda gross), I am a bit of a skeptic on aliens, but I have no idea what to think of this.

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Ok Khan, that was obviously fake, but whatever.
I've always enjoyed the idea of aliens. Why, where would this great *cough* society be without B-Movies?

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ok destroy_us_all I have my doubts on the video, but what are your hhhm?

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Reviving this topic, since it was starting to get discussed in another thread here recently. I certainly believe that life on other planets is certainly possible, including sentient life. I'm not so sure about all the accounts of abductions here, since they seem very localized to America, and more specifically, to rural Americans.

As far as the controversy between alien life and Christianity, my basic understanding is that life on other planets would raise the question of how--and even if--such sentient life has been "saved" as people here have been/can be. Would Jesus' death here count for all life elsewhere? Are they saved in some other manner? Does God even care about them? Or is the Christian version of God even correct if other sentient life exists elsewhere in the universe?

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As far as the controversy between alien life and Christianity, my basic understanding is that life on other planets would raise the question of how--and even if--such sentient life has been "saved" as people here have been/can be. Would Jesus' death here count for all life elsewhere? Are they saved in some other manner? Does God even care about them? Or is the Christian version of God even correct if other sentient life exists elsewhere in the universe?

If you recall that episode of South Park;(Starvin Marvin in Space), Aliens wouldn't care, and we,(Humans as a whole), would try and force our belifes down their throats as we have tried to do to each other. In the end, they would blow us up, and we'd all be happy worshiping the alien god of Glarganacheka`tek'nofuches-gaussen~dufissnchoo.
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Given the head-asploding ammount of galaxies, stars and planets out there, I think there in all probability has to be life out there somewhere. I also find it very likely that some could be far more advanced and intelligent than us. However, I do not find it likely that said intelligent life would spend hundereds or thousands of years in space travelling at the speed of light, just to get to a random planet with life (us), make funny symbols on the ground, mess with peoples minds, and then go back home. If anything would bother getting here, it would most likely be some sort of unmanned and automated satellite scanning for interesting phenomena and sending whatever information it finds back to it's homeworld.

About Star Trek:
Don't you find it just a little bit odd (friggin' nuts) that many of the species in Star Trek can mate even tough they have completely separate evolutionary trees? And what are the odds that they can breathe the same air (and what about aquatic lifeforms? I don't think I've ever seen any like that in ST...), survive under the same temperatures, radiation, air/water-pressure, eat the same food, etc etc...


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Given the head-asploding ammount of galaxies, stars and planets out there, I think there in all probability has to be life out there somewhere. I also find it very likely that some could be far more advanced and intelligent than us. However, I do not find it likely that said intelligent life would spend hundereds or thousands of years in space travelling at the speed of light, just to get to a random planet with life (us), make funny symbols on the ground, mess with peoples minds, and then go back home. If anything would bother getting here, it would most likely be some sort of unmanned and automated satellite scanning for interesting phenomena and sending whatever information it finds back to it's homeworld.

About Star Trek:
Don't you find it just a little bit odd (friggin' nuts) that many of the species in Star Trek can mate even tough they have completely separate evolutionary trees? And what are the odds that they can breathe the same air (and what about aquatic lifeforms? I don't think I've ever seen any like that in ST...), survive under the same temperatures, radiation, air/water-pressure, eat the same food, etc etc...

It's not supposed to make sense. It's supposed to be entertaining. ;)

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(Even then, Star Trek was still one of the most scientific science-fiction series out there, so you can forgive them for taking creative licenses.)

I think that the probability of life being somewhere else out there is definite. However, it would not be life as we know it. In fact, alien life on other planets developing in a way similar to how it did on Earth is probably completely impossible. Perhaps life developed that did not require water. Perhaps silicon-based life developed somewhere (here we go with Star Trek again...), or life that would be totally unrecognizable as life to Earthlings such as ourselves.

However, whatever aliens there are, of whatever degree of intelligence, they aren't going to bother with Earth anytime soon. Aside from the problems of detecting the presence of Earth in the first place, they would likely find us to be entirely insignificant. The aliens wouldn't care at all about a tiny, pale blue dot orbiting a small, irrelevant star.

Also, humans should probably get to fixing Earth's problems before meddling around with other planets.

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Actually I do think it possible. At least we have been visited. C'mon, al those people can't be lying through their teeth! Of course there is no mention of it in the Holy Bible, and that's my main man :mrgreen: !

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Well, I personally think that just because the Bible never mentions aliens doesn't mean that they couldn't exist. It's like those people who think the dinosaurs didn't exist because they weren't mentioned in the Bible.


actually if you translate Genesis 1:21 correctly, it seems likely to be referring to dinosaurs. just a fun fact!


Give me the text please!

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About Star Trek:
Don't you find it just a little bit odd (friggin' nuts) that many of the species in Star Trek can mate even tough they have completely separate evolutionary trees? And what are the odds that they can breathe the same air (and what about aquatic lifeforms? I don't think I've ever seen any like that in ST...), survive under the same temperatures, radiation, air/water-pressure, eat the same food, etc etc...


Obviously, you've never seen the episode of TNG where they find out that it was an ancient humanoid race that sparked the evolutionary process on most other worlds, thus accounting for the vast similarity between Romulans, Klingons, humans, etc.


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Star Trek is essentially The Odyssey in space. It's all about adventure, discovery, and kicking bad guys' butts. These days, there's really nothing "science" about Science Fiction.

It's funny, but I once went to a science fiction club meeting, where people were actually contending that Science Fiction and Fantasy were completely different genres, and should not be classified together. I disagree. Science Fiction today serves essentially the same function as Fantasy literature. The only difference is that the "magic" is usually explained by some sort of techno-babble or psionics, etc.

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Star Trek is essentially The Odyssey in space. It's all about adventure, discovery, and kicking bad guys' butts. These days, there's really nothing "science" about Science Fiction.

It's funny, but I once went to a science fiction club meeting, where people were actually contending that Science Fiction and Fantasy were completely different genres, and should not be classified together. I disagree. Science Fiction today serves essentially the same function as Fantasy literature. The only difference is that the "magic" is usually explained by some sort of techno-babble or psionics, etc.
Star Trek at least tried to explain those things in a way that was technologically viable. While we won't be seeing the transporter or warp drive anytime in the future, scientists actually have put serious consideration into their feasibility.

But I agree that science fiction is analogous to fantasy. From that, knowing how science fiction and UFO sightings have proliferated each other, the likeliness of actual alien visits as they were described decreases more. The popularity of science fiction and the amount of UFO sightings have coincided for a reason.

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