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Seeing is that many of the forum goers here are from 'cross the pond I'm wondering what you guys feel about it.

So far all that's known is that there are many many injuries and (last I heard) 2 deaths but that's all subject to change.

EDIT: The number of deaths just jumped to 40

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This comes one day after London is announce to host the 2012 Olympics. Great way to show apprication.

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I think it's more because of the G8 summit

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Well that doesn't suprise me anywhere Bush goes things get blown up.

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Um.. Bush is in Scotland. London isn't. Work on your geography.

Anyway, the Wikipedia article is probably the best place to keep up-to-date on this.

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They say that "The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe" is claiming responsibility for this. I've also heard that it might be an attack from some French people angered that London got the 2012 Olympic bid. We all know how Europeans can get after Soccer games, but I doubt that any of them would do something this terrible.

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The first thing I thought of when I found out was that frenchman from the Holy Grail. "I spit in your general direction!" But yeah, I seriously doubt it was the French trying to retaliate for losing the Olympics. I'm just glad there aren't subways around here. You dig that deep and all you get is a swimming pool.

Alls I can say really is that those terrorists got problems. They need to go see some armed counseling. With the number of people/places they're attacking, soon they'll be against the whole world, and then it's time to screw them over.

Death toll figure at 37 at this point, down from 40 ("about" 40 perhaps?). Better 37 than 40 though, but 700 injured...condolences to the Londoners, good chaps who didn't deserve this.

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First thing I thought of when I heard this was "how long is it going to be before I see this blamed on Bush?" Of course terrorists hate him, he's taking the fight to them (or as best as he knows who "they" are)..

Anywho, I really hate that this happened to London, seems like all of the Londoners I met there were pretty cool. I REALLY hope things are OK for them.
Has anyone taken responsibility for it yet? I hope it wasn't the G8 protesters, because ANY credibility they have would be completely washed away in the blood of the innocents..

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great, now some teen with the A. Cookbook is gonna copy cat Al Quida, and blame them for the accident. great.

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How very very low.
I don't think it has to do with the G8 summit, otherwise it would have been in Scotland, maybe Edinburgh.
It may be connected to the Olympics, that was my first reaction. They may have had their 'people' staked out at each running city and waited to hear the news.

If it was Olympic related, they wouldn't attack Beijing. China isn't wealthy enough, plus they are in a world of their own in China (please don't take this as a racist comment, I'm not racist).

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Not to mention, they have the world's largest standing army.. I'm guessing most major terrorist organizations would prefer China stay out of the "War on Terror"..

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My parents were in Durham, England this week, and called me to tell me what had happened. Craziness. As my uncle says, "I hope they [the terrosists] all get to meet Allah real soon because I'm getting sick of this."
Nothing pisses of a military person like killing civilians from their homeland. That is only reserved for the most extreme circumstances. I'm sick of hearing about terrorist attacks in Israel and Lebanon and Saudi Arabia and America and now Spain and England. It's stupid to think they can get anything done by pulling off attacks. There's a saying, "If the wind blows slow, you stand at ease. When it blows strong, you stand fast." Everyone will adjust to these types of attacks, and unfortunately they are becoming an all too frequent occurance. So it's like being desensitized to violence on TV...eventually, they [whoever they are] will plan bigger grander attacks to get whatever message across because tehy feel it will be their only way.
To continue my rant, I think politicians are doing little to alleviate the situation. Iraq is a good example. When all the fingers pointed to Iran and Saudi Arabia, we attack Iraq. No one knows the true motivation behind Iraq, but we are told what we have to do, and if the politicians say attack, we attack. They talk about our safety, then throw in a terror alert here and there to keep us alert because Americans have no attention spans. But while there are no diplomatic means to stave off terror attacks, I believe our military and human resources are in the wrong place. I believe people in Washington are too hard-headed to admit their mistake; they had bought into the pot and couldn't pull out, even though they knew they were holding a dead man's hand. Take the Brits for example. They admitted that mistakes were made, and moved on. Tony Blair got re-elected, and life went on before this past attack. I just wish we knew the truth here in America and we would stop hearing, "The insurgancy is in its last throes" or "Liberals want to harbor and treat terrorists like humans" or all the crap that mainstream politicians throw out to the public in short soundbites. We're not almost done, the insurgancy is not nearly done as many Marines have told me, and overall the terrorists are clearly not done. If you know that, do what's right. Go against the grain and attack the true evil, not someone who will help you get more positive poll results. The incompetence on both sides in staggering. It's a shame and unfair to see fine people like the British on the bad end of the stupidity.

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50 aprox dead so far- it's really creepy, 'cause, like you hear about bombs go off in iraq, and it seems so far away to me that i dont really notice, but when something like this happens (relitavely) nearby its strange.

anywhoo, my friend's cousin+ brother were on the tube at the time, they're both ok though, bruises, but thats about it.

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It's funny you should say that. Yesterday a friend of mine told me a joke that was both in poor taste and completely astute. He said:



Each week dozens of Iraqis die in incidents just like this, caused by the same people and for the same reasons, but it only gets a passing mention in the media. Is it because people in London speak the same language as us? Is it because we haven't occupied their country? Is it because more of them look like us? Or because their streets are cleaner? Or because they have a stronger economy?

I feel bad for every Londoner who lost a loved one, but I feel just as bad for every such Iraqi, and there are a lot more of the latter.

And don't get me started on Darfur.

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My thoughts exactly. Don't get me wrong - it's still a terrible happening and especially awful for anyone who lost someone, but compared to other prominent attacks in the last decade and what's constantly going on in Iraq, the death toll is a relatively small one. It probably does have to do with all the reasons you said, and it happening just after they won the Olympic bid contributes heavily as well.

I was just really glad to hear my roommate's voice on the phone - she's in England studying acting this summer...thankfully, she was nowhere near the attacks. But one of my best friends was in London, just last week. I have to say, I'm thankful she's home.

Jones, you have such a rough exterior sometimes, but you really are a humanitarian, and I love that. Thank you. You are right, we should not forget ALL of the people in turmoil right now.

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Great, now Britan will get all paranoid and go Bush. Then Britan will have as many problems as we do. Bush-ism is like some kinda spreading disease.

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This is a good point that I guess I missed. The UK has made a lot of news in the past couple weeks with the Olympics thing and G8, which makes for good media fodder. However, this must have been planned long before the Olympics announcement was made, so that's probably just serendipity for the bombers.

In related news, not 24 hours after the attacks, Britain's Home Secretary started pushing for a national ID card and the revocation of some civil liberties. Here we go again. Maybe they'll call it the Patriout Act.



Awww, thanks.

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Question for you, IJ... can you conceive of a point where you'd be okay with revoking some civil liberties in the name of safety?

I'm not IJ, and God help me if I am, but no. Checking 16-25 years-olds library books isn't something that would probably aid in fighting terrorists. If they are going to snoop, at least have the common courtesy to snoop without us knowing. Arresting people without formally charging them ain't so good as well. (Gitmo, I'm looking in your direction). Take WWII. Some civil liberties were taken (aka Japanese and German internment camps). Didn't aid at all, in fact, many Jap-Americans and German-Americans became angered and joined the enemy causes. So no.

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I hear now Italy is pulling their troops out of Iraq because they were sited on an Islamic millitant site as a possible target for an attack if they didn't take their troops out of Iraq. This has gone way too far, the terrorists are taking control even if we say they arn't and resist the change. Something has to happen before the entire global community is subjected to fear because of these threats.

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Perhaps this is just something I cannot wrap my mind around, but I fail to understand what role, if any, national ID cards will play in reducing terrorism.. Seriously, I think they're good ideas from the standpoint of everyone having some form of ID (although we have those, called driver's license, or ID card), but I fail to see how it would have ANY effect on reducing terrorism.. I mean, ID cards CAN be counterfieted..

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Danbo, I'm not only asking about internment camps... that's not the only thing people like IJ are complaining about regarding civil liberties. What about wiretapping? What about watching "persons of interest"? What about creating a huge national database that keeps track of everyone in the country?

[quote="InterruptorJones]In related news, not 24 hours after the attacks, Britain's Home Secretary started pushing for a national ID card and the revocation of some civil liberties. Here we go again. Maybe they'll call it the Patriout Act.[/quote]

I KNEW IT! I really can't believe that countries such as Britan would follow Bush's philosiphy, even after the train bombings, i can't believe that other world leaders would follow such a bad example...ugh...

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We'll know that it's over and smile and go greeting
Whatever comes next

When it comes to things like wiretapping, I really don't worry about it. I've got nothing to hide. I have some stuff that I'd prefer people not hear, but as long as it's not something that's being put out there for everyone to hear, I guess it's ok. If anything, I feel sorry for the poor soul that has to transcribe my phone convos (I think his name is Steve).
When it comes "watching persons of interest" is kinda iffy to me. I mean, sure, it might prevent some attacks, but I don't know how I feel about it. To me, I say, "I've got nothing to hide (yet), so I don't really care if some schmuck has to follow me around."
Of course, as the list of things that are illegal in this country continues to climb, I may feel differently about it.
I AM against creating a database that tracks everyone's movements. It might be a convenient way of finding people and such, but yeah, I don't care.. I don't want Big Brother knowing everything I do.. Lil' Brudder maybe, but not Big Brother. (yes, I know my "I don't have anything to hide, so watch away" atitude conflicts with my "no big brother" but I guess I'm just a hypocrite)
I would like to think that, had the "restrictions on civil liberties" imposed by the so-called "Patriot Act" been in place, the events of a certain September Tuesday morning in 2001 might have been a little different. Then again, maybe not.

I don't know how I feel about giving up some of our percieved liberties in the name of "security". If giving up some of my freedoms meant that there was a 100% certainty that there would be no terrorist attacks and no crime, it would be worth it, but you can't stop all terrorists and all criminals, so, no, it's most likely not worth it.

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I sure don't want that! I have places I go I don't want ANYONE knowing about!

Seriously though, can you imagine if someone was able to hack into that what kind of destruction it could cause? In the wrong hands, this could be VERY dangerous. Worse possibly than what is already in existence.

There's got to be something we can do, but constant surveillance of otherwise-law-abiding-citizens...and heck, even the un-abiding ones...just doesn't seem like the answer.

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About what I expected a Canadian to say, to be honest.

I've recently been on something of a kick where I expect people to offer alternatives. Sometimes we have to do things we'd rather not. I'm sure every soldier in WWII would have rather stayed home and been safe... but they realized that there was no other way to defeat Hitler and save Europe (and the entire world).

I agree that wiretapping and the creation of a national database and places like Guantanamo Bay aren't things I would neccesarily choose to do. However, I believe that there is no alternative if we're going to prevent further terrorist attacks.

But, StrongCanada, if you can think of something, let's hear it. Otherwise, I think it'd be prudent to support the best course of action.

There have to be better ways than wiretapping and national ID cards to maintain security. Why don't we just DEFEAT THE TERRORISTS? Osama's still on the loose. I'd feel safer once we get him.

And if it makes you feel any better, my condolences about the London bombing, to stay on topic. This should provide even more incentive to crack down on terrorism.

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Honestly, if those things would completely and totally guarantee that we would never have ANY terrorist attacks, I might support them. Well, ok, so I'm not totally against Guantanamo Bay (I just wish we would formally charge the "enemy combatants" with something). I'm also not against wiretapping, if said tapping would yield some kind of value (we've been doing stuff like that for years, and 9/11 still happened).
I don't believe that we can really do ANYTHING to stop terrorists, short of killing them all, and that's not possible. I can't tell a non-terrorist from a terrorist, can you?
I also think that if we give up our freedoms in fear of what the terrorists might do, then they win. Don't they?

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