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Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:32 am ]
Post subject:  Hot Coffee(not endorsing, advertising, or giving it out)
hey, anyone know about the Grandma who is suing Rockstar Games because of the Hidden sex games that were put in GTA San Andreas due to the "Hot Coffee" Mod? heres what she said: "im ok with a game that includes guns, violence, torture, cop killing and pimping, but if i see one sex sceen, im suing because a game like that shouldnt be sold to minors", hrmm......... a game rated mature with guns, assasination, killing people, drug dealing, jacking cars, pimping, and buying your girlfriends in the game weird "Sex Toys" that is rated mature is ok for a 9 year old to play. but if theres a sceen with polygonal clothed sex, witch the game has to be extremley modified to unlock them, then they dont want there non computer smart kid to play it. hrmm.... and now theyve had the game changed from rated 'M', to rated 'AO', even though they have taken the hidden sex games out of the game. piff! for one thing: Kids shouldnt be playing this game due to the extreme violence, but the parents buy it for them and say its ok. second: rockstar games are blaming Modders(IE People Like Me) for unlocking that stuff and releasing it over the net, insted of blaming the Parents for not knowing what the game was about in the first place and buying it for there kids. now Rockstar is suing anyone who Mods the Videogames and releases the mod on the net. WHY???? there making modders look bad. just look up a mod for game by searching for theese words "(enter game name here) Nude Mods", and you will find alot of them. those mods are made by perverted guys in there moms basment. us Modders have the right to change anything in the game that we want and ReLease it for free on a website like Levels4You.com,(not endorsing it), so that everyone who owns the game can use it. just like on Halo and Unreal Tournament, there are alot of mods, including nude mods, and even mods that are quite weird, and now they are saying that we cant do that anymore. were not selling the mods for money, were giving away the mods file to everyone, no matter what. its the free trade of information, wih is what the internet is all about. this thread is about the rights us modders have, and how the eleged "Hot Coffee" Mod is threatening to shut us down. debate about this amongst us.
Author:  Puphles [ Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:54 pm ]
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I'm for general modification, I do some my self, but opposed to mods that could be considered offensive. You know, nude mods and what not. I am opposed to games in witch you must receive the mod, like I heard, a version of Sims 2. It's fine you you want to download one of those mods over the internet, or something, but you shouldn't have to have it if you dont want it. I also agree with you that it is the parents fault for buying these games. I know some people who buy M rated games of their 8-year old. Those ratings are there for a reason. I hate when people assume that a game is okay for their kids without knowing anything about the game, and then find out that the game is giving them nightmares, or something.
Author:  Smorky [ Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:22 pm ]
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Modestly Hot Guy, I didn't read your whole post because it was too hard with all the bad capitalization and punctuation. However, from skimming through it, I think there is something that you forgot to mention. The "Hot Coffee" Mod isn't just something some guy made up; it was already in the game but just disabled. All you had to do to be able to play it was enable it.

Modestly Hot Guy wrote:
witch the game has to be extremley modified to unlock them


I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Like I said, the programming code was already in the game. All you had to do was enable it.
Author:  StrongRad [ Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:41 pm ]
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My understanding of the situation (feel free to correct me on this): When GTA:SA was released, it was released with code for a "mini-game" of sorts that allowed you to do something "Adults Only" (not gonna go into the details, y'all know what it is). That code was buried in the game, though and was inaccessible to players. Someone, for whatever reason, and using whatever methods, found that code and made a program that allowed you to unlock it in the PC version. A lot of people got upset at Rockstar and the ESRB (ratings peoples) for allowing a sexually explicit game to have anything less than an AO rating. Rockstar has pulled the game and is re-releasing it with the AO rating...

Now commentary:
I know some grandma sued because she bought the game for her grandkid and was shocked about the content. Personally, I say that's a frivolous lawsuit and the judge should laugh the blue hair out of the courtroom.. The game is rated M for a reason. If she is too stupid to know what those reasons are, she should not be buying games. Wal-Mart makes you be a certain age to buy those games for a reason.

Commentary part two: My understanding is that "Hot Coffee" only works on the PC version. Is there a way to unlock it on PS2 or XBox? It seems rather dumb to pull all of the games if this only affects the PC version. Like I said, feel free to correct me if there are ways to activate the hidden code on the consoles.
Author:  Smorky [ Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:43 pm ]
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I'm pretty sure it only works for the PC version, unless you could find a mod for the PS2 or XBOX
Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:48 pm ]
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listen smorking, i read the game in a hex editor, and a hex editor shows all the code for the game, and alot of the stuff was incrypted, i know that the game was allready in there, but it would be hard for a kid to use a hex editor and search some 80,000 lines of coding for that 1 line that dissables it. plus, when you dissable it, and u see them for the first time: they are clothed models, witch means that u have to go into the coupla 100 lines of coding for the hack and find somthing that changes the color of the cloths to the skin tone of the player character and the NPC, and even when u do that, you litterally see just nippleless breasts, no genitles, or anything of the sort. u see CJ's Well toned Polygonal Chest, but nothing on the chick. im just deffending that modding this game is hard, and took the guy who unlocked it a few moths just to figure it out, and the average kid today knows computers, but nothing about coding, and since all the coding changes that were imputed on websites have been taken off. so that adds another level of difficulty. so in short: modding this game urself will need one of those geeks from 1979 who knows how to program atari 2600 games.

EDIT: you can rewrite the coding on the ps2 and Xbox games using "Action Replay Max", so they had to pull the xbox and ps2 versions. now this makes it easier to hack it, requireing $40, a usb cable, and an internet connection. but its still hard to find the codes.
Author:  Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:06 pm ]
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The thing that makes me sad for the future of america is that parents don't take responsibility for what their children are playing/watching. In all the times that I have been in electronic stores I have seen only once that a clerk refused to sell a game to a minor, even when his mom was standing right there. I admire that clerk for being so honist and I wish more clerks were like that but the sad thing is that there arn't they would rather make the sale than also taking some responsibility for selling the game.

Another Example: my friends and I were watching TV after a long video gane sesson and we were flipping around the channles and fianally settled on waiting out the commercials on FX because we wanted to see what "Over There" was like (we are al big war movie fans). We could hardly watch the entire thing, it was just so horrible and gory that we just had to turn it off. Now the sad thing is that it was on at 10:00 which isn't really late during the summer and some of the time kids as young as 9 have TVs and cable in their rooms and they could have been seeing the exact same thing that made a group of 15 (going on 16) year-olds need to turn it off. Now I'm not saying that kids shouldn't be allowed to watch what they want to watch but if you're going to get your kid a TV then get it without cable, just the basic channles and a video in/out channle for video games so when your kid does watch cable you can keep an eye on things.

Now I'm not usually this strict on what I think kids can and can't do but it just really pisses me off to see parents suing my favorite video game developers for enormous amounts of money because it made their kid a bit crazy. It's like suing McDonalds for making you fat, it's just dumb.

So getting back to the topic of the thread, if you're not involved enough to see what games your young child buys (because most of the parent lobbyists are parents of young children) then you should suffer the aftereffects.
Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:47 pm ]
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amen, now i know the seris over there is extremley gory, but there is a historical presence in that movie or show(i forget what it is). it can be used to show someone who thinks that the war is nothing, and that the soldiers are not just a number, but have lives. anyway, im getting off topic. but i still side with what u said, but im supporting the modding community, because all that you should loose if you mod a game is the games waranty. they cant sue or blame modders for something 9 year old timmy did while attacking a millitary base in a jet and killing hundreds of soldirs and cops. "ohh, look, your killling cops, fine, fine, look at those brains fly out, yeah, pimp that ho( :eek: ), yeah, pimp her, take your girl on a date. Hot coffee???? sure, i bet you could use a OH MY GOD!"
Author:  King Nintendoid [ Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:43 pm ]
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MY opinion is known, but cannot be posted here without heavy editing. It can be read here however. Be warned, for language is contained within that may be frowned upon by Hillary Clinton

Note: I am trying to make this as rule-abiding as possible: the article is not posted here, therefore I won't have to drasticly rewrite it to take out the stuff you don't like, but I hope it is not taken as a website plug. It is merely a rant I wrote earlier that I dumped on my FTP account. Remove the link if you please and I will write a short summary of my opinion. If not, then enjoy the article.
Author:  computerdude33 [ Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:47 pm ]
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I liked another person's explanation (I'm kinda paraphrasing):

"If a person downloads Hot Coffee, chances are they've already seen explicit material."
Author:  King Nintendoid [ Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:53 pm ]
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This would be better:

"If your child can download and install the mod, chances are he's seen much, much worse already".

And anyone aged 17 who would be 'scarred for life' by this mod has serious mental problems.
Author:  Marshmallow Roast [ Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:24 pm ]
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The person who created that mod took it off the site from which it was available. The Rockstar game company took the code out of the game. I think that the game should return to this orignal rating. While I strongly disapprove of much of what one does in the game, there are people who enjoy it and I don't have a problem with that.
Author:  Dark Grapefruit [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:43 am ]
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I don't really see why there even is an AO rating. It's only restricted to one year older than M rated games are. (18+ instead of 17+) Is there really that big of a difference? If M rated games can be on the shelves of Walmart, then AO games shuld be too.
Author:  StrongRad [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:48 am ]
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Dark Grapefruit wrote:
I don't really see why there even is an AO rating. It's only restricted to one year older than M rated games are. (18+ instead of 17+) Is there really that big of a difference? If M rated games can be on the shelves of Walmart, then AO games shuld be too.

WallyWorld is weird, though... I mean, you can't get a CD that says a bad word, but you can buy Team America?!?!? That just don't make any sense. Only thing I can figure is that they ID you for movies, but they can't ID you for music or something like that...
Author:  Color Printer [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:50 pm ]
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StrongRad wrote:
Dark Grapefruit wrote:
I don't really see why there even is an AO rating. It's only restricted to one year older than M rated games are. (18+ instead of 17+) Is there really that big of a difference? If M rated games can be on the shelves of Walmart, then AO games shuld be too.

WallyWorld is weird, though... I mean, you can't get a CD that says a bad word, but you can buy Team America?!?!? That just don't make any sense. Only thing I can figure is that they ID you for movies, but they can't ID you for music or something like that...


Uhh...I think you got that backwards somewhere.
Author:  StrongRad [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:58 pm ]
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Color Printer wrote:
StrongRad wrote:
Dark Grapefruit wrote:
I don't really see why there even is an AO rating. It's only restricted to one year older than M rated games are. (18+ instead of 17+) Is there really that big of a difference? If M rated games can be on the shelves of Walmart, then AO games shuld be too.

WallyWorld is weird, though... I mean, you can't get a CD that says a bad word, but you can buy Team America?!?!? That just don't make any sense. Only thing I can figure is that they ID you for movies, but they can't ID you for music or something like that...


Uhh...I think you got that backwards somewhere.


What do you mean? I'm not following you. What's backwards?
Author:  Color Printer [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:03 pm ]
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StrongRad wrote:
Color Printer wrote:
StrongRad wrote:
Dark Grapefruit wrote:
I don't really see why there even is an AO rating. It's only restricted to one year older than M rated games are. (18+ instead of 17+) Is there really that big of a difference? If M rated games can be on the shelves of Walmart, then AO games shuld be too.

WallyWorld is weird, though... I mean, you can't get a CD that says a bad word, but you can buy Team America?!?!? That just don't make any sense. Only thing I can figure is that they ID you for movies, but they can't ID you for music or something like that...


Uhh...I think you got that backwards somewhere.


What do you mean? I'm not following you. What's backwards?


How can you not buy a CD that says a bad word when they don't ID you for music?
Author:  seamusz [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:06 pm ]
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Color Printer wrote:
StrongRad wrote:
Color Printer wrote:
StrongRad wrote:
Dark Grapefruit wrote:
I don't really see why there even is an AO rating. It's only restricted to one year older than M rated games are. (18+ instead of 17+) Is there really that big of a difference? If M rated games can be on the shelves of Walmart, then AO games shuld be too.

WallyWorld is weird, though... I mean, you can't get a CD that says a bad word, but you can buy Team America?!?!? That just don't make any sense. Only thing I can figure is that they ID you for movies, but they can't ID you for music or something like that...


Uhh...I think you got that backwards somewhere.


What do you mean? I'm not following you. What's backwards?


How can you not buy a CD that says a bad word when they don't ID you for music?


I think that StrongRad is talking about the fact that Walmart edits all their music, so they don't sell music with foul language.

And StrongRad, I agree, it is a huge double standard.
Author:  DanBo [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:21 pm ]
Post subject:  dum dum
I like playing video games now and then, and I'm a big Nintendo fan because they focus more on fun gaming than graphics or realism. But if a person wants to change a game to cater to what they want, then go ahead. I really don't care, because I see video games as games, which are meant to be fun. If adding something like a pixelated sex scene is adding more fun to them, then...whatever. I won't buy it, but I know others will...I only hope they're older than 17.
But don't go whining or complaining about your 10-year-old playing a shoot-em-up when the label says that the game is meant for older audiences. It's right on the box. Pay attention to what he/she plays and the popularity of certain games. The video game industry made 11 billion dollars last year, about three times the amount that the box office made for movie ticket sales. Yet parents pay attention to the R-rating, and not the M-rating? I swear, people are just getting dumber.

EDIT: Woo post 444!
Author:  Dark Grapefruit [ Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: dum dum
DanBo wrote:
But don't go whining or complaining about your 10-year-old playing a shoot-em-up when the label says that the game is meant for older audiences. It's right on the box.


You know what's really stupid? I saw a news report on the Hot Coffee thing. The teasers leading up to the report kept saying the same thing over and over: "Secret nudity found in a kid's video game!" AAAAARRRRRGGGGGBLBLLBL! They even showed footage from Super Smash Bros for some reason. I guess they think parents know nothing at all about games, and just think it's all the same and all for kids. Reminds me of a certain PA comic. Why can't people take two minutes to figure out what the game is about and what the ratings mean? The game is called "Grand Theft Auto", how can anyone think it's for kids?
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:25 am ]
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DG wrote:
The game is called "Grand Theft Auto", how can anyone think it's for kids?
That is because the parents who by the game for the kids don't know anything about it.
Author:  StrongRad [ Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:48 am ]
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Color Printer wrote:

How can you not buy a CD that says a bad word when they don't ID you for music?

Because they don't sell CD's with bad words...
Note: This isn't entirely true. Some CD's are uncensored, like some of their comedy ones, and some albums that don't have a "clean" version are sold uncensored (Ted Nugent's Full Bluntal Nugity comes to mind.. I think he was trying to set a record for dropping F-Bombs in the first song)..

I'm not complaining so much as I just think it's really funny.. You can't buy an unedited Lil John cd there (not that anyone would want to buy Lil John's stuff anyway), but you can buy Eyes Wide Shut.. I guess you can't talk about it, but you CAN show it... hmmm
That cracks me up.. I can't wait til I'm in Huntsville.. BEST BUY'D!
Author:  extremejon09 [ Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:26 pm ]
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Ahem, the grandma your're refering to is Hillary Clinton and Jack Thompson (Stopkill.com)

God, I can not easily describe how much a hate that guy, he's not only trying to pull GTA from the shelves but also Sims2 (He found a nude patch) Halo (he calls it a "Sniper game") Killer 7 (He claims theres Many sex scenes and drug use in it, which is complete bullhonkey though up by some review on IGN) and Manhunt (for obvious reasons).

He's never played any of these games, and is simply making stupid claims

But most of all I hate how he CONSTANTLY replys to emails to him with childish resposes, or a link to a completely unrelated news article. See the gamefaqs.com GTA boards for some of these....

Oh yeah, and I found this also board with many many Letters and responses from Jack Thompson http://www.freeforumworld.com/forum/ind ... ckthompson
But it seems to be down right now....

Edit: ah, it seems the VG cats guy made a comic about him and then he got a letter from him regarding Killer7 for no paticular reason.... see inside, good example of Jackos stupidity
http://vgcats.com/jack.php
Author:  King Nintendoid [ Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:57 am ]
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And he's getting death threats too.

For once the second amendament is good for something :p
Author:  Acekirby [ Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: dum dum
DanBo wrote:
I like playing video games now and then, and I'm a big Nintendo fan because they focus more on fun gaming than graphics or realism. But if a person wants to change a game to cater to what they want, then go ahead. I really don't care, because I see video games as games, which are meant to be fun. If adding something like a pixelated sex scene is adding more fun to them, then...whatever. I won't buy it, but I know others will...I only hope they're older than 17.
But don't go whining or complaining about your 10-year-old playing a shoot-em-up when the label says that the game is meant for older audiences. It's right on the box. Pay attention to what he/she plays and the popularity of certain games. The video game industry made 11 billion dollars last year, about three times the amount that the box office made for movie ticket sales. Yet parents pay attention to the R-rating, and not the M-rating? I swear, people are just getting dumber.

I agree with that entire post. I know I don't need pixelated sex to make a fun game. I don't need gang wars and gunfights to have a good game. If a game is rated M, then you shouldn't buy it for your children. I mean, come on.

BTG wrote:
That is because the parents who by the game for the kids don't know anything about it.

They should take the initiative to learn about it. Read the writing on the back. See WHY it's rated M. Or, in the case of Grand Theft Auto, look at the cover art. They always have some semi-nude woman on there. If you see that and think it's appropriate to buy it for your 9 year-old, then you are sadly mistaken.
Author:  Puphles [ Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:21 pm ]
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I think a large aspect is the parents fault. "What's 'M' stand for?" "Mild"
THe parrents really should be monitering what their kids play. My parrents know that all of the games I have are clean. The worst thing I have is T games.


Parrents can take it too far sometimes though
Author:  The Noid [ Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:50 pm ]
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Ahh, The Hot Coffee Fiasco. ive developed my opinion about this...


Parents and people are complaining that theyre 7 year-old son came across something that is definately not suitable for that age. But, heres a question: Why the heck did you let him buy an M Rated game? If you said no, then good for you. But what if the store sold it to the little boy, eh? Then its the stores fault!!!But, if the store was doing their job as in not letting a minor buy a GTA game, then it probably wouldnt have happened, now would it?? And, as far as I know, that thing was hidden. Its your childs fault for listening to an email or something he heard it from!!!

Lets take this into another matter- a kid plays a game, shoots someone. Guess what the parents would do?? Take the easy way out and blame the game. But no. Games dont do that. Either he was always this messed up, or the parents didnt bother explaining the line between right or wrong.

Im sorry if im offending anyone with what Im saying next, but I have to: Jack thompson is just an idiot that hates games. In the above paragraph, i mentioned peopel taking the easy way out- Thats Jack Thompson for ya. But now here might be the offending part:

Hilary Clinton is just doing what she is to make sure she becomes presdent. Yup. Its the truth.But man, I still rest my case. When I was 6, i wazs playing Crash Bandiccot Warped. And you didnt see me shooting peopel with Bazookas!!I paly Ratchet and Clank Games, you dont see me hitting things with wrenches and blowing stuff up! How about Pac-Man, eh? Am I running around eating fruit of the floor and devouring peopel hre colors of the rainbow? I hope not. Do you see me running around in blue with a handgun fighting old men???Nope.Games do not do this stuff, just like comic books dont get you to fight guys 5 times your size(though it might encourage some idiotic kids to try to fly...) or Rock N Roll making your kids become rebel-ish types? I rest my case.

I completely agree that the game should be moddedd, but I dont think i voted thst. I dont know why.Also,m to extremejon09, i agre. Not only did he email him with stupid responses, but he goes and bashes every game with anything that looks like a gun. I mean, Halo isnt THAT bad.And the Killer 7 stuff, Scott was completely right about that. Also, to see another funny Jack Thompson comic, go to Ctrl+Alt+Del+ for a funny reason why he hateds games. Pong: San Andreas cracks me up...
Author:  Smorky [ Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:55 pm ]
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I pretty much agree with what you said. I know you meant the last part as a joke, about Pacman and stuff, but a while back there were some kids who played the old mario games that went out and jumped on turtles. Obviously their parents blamed the games.
Author:  The Noid [ Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:07 pm ]
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Big Boo wrote:
I pretty much agree with what you said. I know you meant the last part as a joke, about Pacman and stuff, but a while back there were some kids who played the old mario games that went out and jumped on turtles. Obviously their parents blamed the games.


Wow...I heard about that. But I was dead serious about the superhero stuff.Tmhis one kid lit himself on fire to be like the human torch.But, dont blame the comic, blame the kid.But, i say that if your kid jumps on a turtle, he(or she) is either someone qho enjoys pain of animals, or there a little crazy.
Author:  Rhin Beoulve [ Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:06 pm ]
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Lawyer. Gamer. Which one strikes you as smarter?
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