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Author:  Shaon [ Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:51 pm ]
Post subject:  McGreevy resigning!
post your thoughts on this.
Author:  racerx_is_alive [ Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:59 pm ]
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Here's a link to the story.
Author:  Tom [ Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:03 pm ]
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Wow. When I first saw the topic, I thought it might have been because of that campaign finance scandal a while back.

Whoa. Here's the CNN story.

Man, I would have loved to have an openly gay governor. Well, I do. For a while anyway.
Author:  InterruptorJones [ Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:22 pm ]
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Tom wrote:
Man, I would have loved to have an openly gay governor.


Me, too. But they would have torn him apart for the adultery thing. I'm glad he came out, though, rather than just resigning under false pretenses or something. That's a really brave thing to do.
Author:  Ingiald The Ill [ Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:27 pm ]
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Who would be proud to have a gay govenor? That's rather odd. I'd move to another state.
Author:  Tom [ Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:48 pm ]
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Ingiald The Ill wrote:
Who would be proud to have a gay govenor? That's rather odd. I'd move to another state.

Whoa there Ingiald. There are rules in this forum about bigotry. This will stop right here.

Consider this a warning.
Author:  Ingiald The Ill [ Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:50 pm ]
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Um, okay. I didn't really think of that as biggotry, but you're the administrator.
Author:  InterruptorJones [ Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:39 pm ]
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Ingiald The Ill wrote:
Um, okay. I didn't really think of that as biggotry, but you're the administrator.


It is bigotry. I don't know how you could think of it any other way:
Dictionary.com wrote:
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.


You're intolerant of gay people, so you fit the bill perfectly. And in this forum, we're intolerant of bigots, so you'll keep your prejudices to yourself.
Author:  Ingiald The Ill [ Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:42 pm ]
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Oh, I thought biggotry reffered specifically to gender or ethnicity. I guess I was wrong. Carry on.
Author:  Brunswick Stu [ Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:28 am ]
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I would. I'm gay.
Author:  Ingiald The Ill [ Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:29 am ]
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Okay, you didn't need to say that. This conversation would have gone on perfectly fine without you mentioning that. I'm not saying any more.
Author:  Tom [ Sun Aug 15, 2004 1:22 am ]
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Ingiald The Ill wrote:
Okay, you didn't need to say that. This conversation would have gone on perfectly fine without you mentioning that. I'm not saying any more.

Oooookay Ingiald. This is your final warning.

Keep your prejudices to yourself.

Brunswick Stu, I'm glad to see you would also like having a gay governor. I know I wouldn't have a problem voting for one.
Author:  racerx_is_alive [ Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:10 pm ]
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I'm still having trouble understanding why he's resigning.

Is it just because he's gay? That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me.

Is it because he committed adultery? Presidents have done this without resigning from office.

Or is it just the combolation of the two?

Personally I think that something else is going to surface. I have no idea what that something else might be, but I think he is just using these reasons as excuses to get the heck out of office before something more damaging is revealed.
Author:  Didymus [ Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:20 pm ]
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I think it's a credibility and trust issue. As a rule, if a man's wife can't trust him, then neither should anyone else.

Presidents have committed adultery in the past. Doesn't make it right.

A lot of it is pressure from the Democratic party. In this election year, they want to minimize scandal as much as possible so they can get other candidates into office.

That and it's probably a combination of the other factors as well.
Author:  Tom [ Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:25 pm ]
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racerx_is_alive wrote:
I'm still having trouble understanding why he's resigning.

Is it just because he's gay? That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me.

Is it because he committed adultery? Presidents have done this without resigning from office.

Or is it just the combolation of the two?

Personally I think that something else is going to surface. I have no idea what that something else might be, but I think he is just using these reasons as excuses to get the heck out of office before something more damaging is revealed.

Actually, there was a bunch of poor decisions the governor made, besides the affair.

First off, he hired the man a bunch of people are saying he had the affair with, Golan Cipel. He put him in a highly paid position that he was obviously unqualified for, New Jersey State's Homeland Security Advisor. Besides from having little to no experience in that field, the Federal Bureau of Investigation would not grant him the necessary security clearances for the job because he was a foreign national.

So after Cipel was forced to resign from that post, McGreevey kept him on as an "aide" with the same yearly salary as the earlier position. He then had to resign from that job because he didn't show up for work enough.

And that's just the beginning...
Author:  StrongCanada [ Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:41 pm ]
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I understand and agree with his resignation IF his resignation was because he appointed someone who was unqualified to a poisition of power...I certainly hope he didn't feel forced into it because of his lifestyle...that wouldn't be fair. Whether or not he's gay has nothing to do with how he would govern the state. Even though I thought that on a personal scale Clinton was a dirtbag, I think he was a decent president. He should only have had to answer to Hillary and Chelsea for his affair, and McGreevey should have only to answer to his family - isn't he married?

That's my two cents...probably about 4 cents Canadian! :p
Author:  StrongRad [ Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:48 pm ]
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Gay? Straight? I don't care what he is. If he could do better than our governor, I'd vote for him. We have a governor that can't seem to get a budget passed (I understand it's as much the KY house and KY state senate's faults) but, he seems to find time to go onto Leno... What gives?

My initial fear was that he sacrificed himself to get John Kerry a couple more votes (think: Evil hatemongering republicans hate gay people so much that they made him resign). The more I thought about this, the less plausible it became.
As for the affair thing, I hope we keep politicians private and public lives seperate. I hope to run for senate or better one day, and God forbid some of my college nights be used against me.
Author:  Didymus [ Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:03 pm ]
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What Tom's post highlights (thanks Tom) is that this is less an issue about homosexuality or even about adultery. It is about a man who was obviously abusing his authority for his own personal love interests. In government, this is called "conflict of interests," and it is a big no-no.

Of course, there will be those who try to turn it into a homosexuality issue.
Author:  StrongCanada [ Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:08 pm ]
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I agree with you Didymus....unfortunately, it happens A LOT more often that people abuse their power than not...The reason I mentioned the issue of homosexuality is because we know there are many out there who will judge him on that first, and that's not right. I have many openly gay (and some not so openly gay) friends who are daily ridiculed for being who they are, when it's no one's business but their own.
Author:  Brunswick Stu [ Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:14 pm ]
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StrongRad wrote:
Gay? Straight? I don't care what he is. If he could do better than our governor, I'd vote for him. We have a governor that can't seem to get a budget passed (I understand it's as much the KY house and KY state senate's faults) but, he seems to find time to go onto Leno... What gives?


oh, I know the feeling. I live in Maryland, and Gov. Ehrlich hasn't done anything but push for legalizing slot machines since taking office two years ago.
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