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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:12 am ] |
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http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/bully/news_6130128.html Bully, a new game coming out from rockstar. im not saying this to warn parents about it. im not saying this to get people active to stop this game. i am saying this because people are trying to ban violent games from the united states. this is just plain BS, they are making claims that this is going to be a violent game teaching kids how to bully people. Thats not what it is, claims Rockstar, its a game where a troublesom school boy defeats the bully, gets picked on by teachers, wins or loses the girl. ive been in that kind of situation before, being bullied, the teachers not liking me, and losing the girl(yes, even me, the most lechable guy lost the girl). you see some people view this game as somthing thats going to corrupt our children. i view this unreleased game as another way to loose tension after the hard 7 or 8 hours of school, being picked on, and being pushed so close to the edge. what are your views on the release of so-cal violent child corrupting video game? |
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| Author: | Phlip [ Sun Sep 11, 2005 9:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bully |
Choc-o-lardiac Arrest wrote: what are your views on the release of so-cal violent child corrupting video game?
Correlation does not imply causation. There's not much more to say. |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:05 am ] |
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Phlip wrote: Choc-o-lardiac Arrest wrote: what are your views on the release of so-cal violent child corrupting video game? Correlation does not imply causation. There's not much more to say. so then because grand theft auto made some kids tag up a neighborhood, that if Bully get released, Then the number of bullies will grow? how about this, if bully gets released, then the number of people who stand up to bullies will increase. thats how i look at it, and it should be looked at by that view. well, once again i have to blame liberal society for trying to ban violnet video games. i mean, what if they tried to ban Donkey Kong back in the 80's? or what about Mario? "cmon, kids are getting high because theyr playing a game where a guy jumps around and eats mushrooms all the time." i mean seriously, theres no way for the liberal society to shut down violent video games, much less for them to stop smoking tobacco, even though alot of what we have today is because of tobacco back in the 1800's. so you gotta think, this is all because of the liberal. another thing, think of this story i remember form a commercial about trying to save the world: "so i was shopping at the store and decided to buy some jeans. when i wore the jeans the next day, i found out that the jeans were made by children in china. so i wrote letters to many stores asking them not to sell jeans that were made by child labor, when it turns out that the people who made the machines and the buildings and everything that the company was based on was built by poverty stricken families, who's kids would work all day in the feilds just to buy a pair of the child labour jeans in one of the stores that the i sent a letter to asking them not to sell jeans that were made using child labour." its funny, to think that trying to save a part of the world,even if its just a small thing, will effect a large part of the world. man this was incredibly long. |
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| Author: | Phlip [ Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bully |
Choc-o-lardiac Arrest wrote: i mean, what if they tried to ban Donkey Kong back in the 80's? or what about Mario? "cmon, kids are getting high because theyr playing a game where a guy jumps around and eats mushrooms all the time."
Agreed, I use this argument all the time to people who thing that violence in video games causes violence in the real world. Along with the cum hoc argument I mentioned before, I just ask "what games would you prefer children to play?" and then, regardless of the answer, I point out how it can be construed as rewarding behavior that would be frowned upon in real life. Even something like chess gives rewards for protecting Number One (the king) even at the expense of the so-called "lesser people" (the other pieces). Even your most powerful ally (the queen) can and should be sacrificed if it will save your skin. Also, pieces like the pawns give the impression that so-called "lower mortals" have no pupose but to charge blindly in, regardless of circumstance. If you tried to apply any of these strategies (which are important and rewarded (hence reinforced) in chess) in a real life situation, you would be considered very self-centered, and would suddenly find yourself with fewer friends than you started out with. The fact is that games are designed to be unreal. As such, rational behavior in a game is going to be different to rational behavior in real life. And no matter how much the activists want it to be, Virtual Take Out The Garbage And Clean Your Room isn't a popular game and probably never will be. Though I disagree with the term "liberal" in your post... I try to shy away from political generalisations like that, politics is a lot more complicated than "this side or that side"... |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bully |
Phlip wrote: Choc-o-lardiac Arrest wrote: i mean, what if they tried to ban Donkey Kong back in the 80's? or what about Mario? "cmon, kids are getting high because theyr playing a game where a guy jumps around and eats mushrooms all the time." Agreed, I use this argument all the time to people who thing that violence in video games causes violence in the real world. Along with the cum hoc argument I mentioned before, I just ask "what games would you prefer children to play?" and then, regardless of the answer, I point out how it can be construed as rewarding behavior that would be frowned upon in real life. Even something like chess gives rewards for protecting Number One (the king) even at the expense of the so-called "lesser people" (the other pieces). Even your most powerful ally (the queen) can and should be sacrificed if it will save your skin. Also, pieces like the pawns give the impression that so-called "lower mortals" have no pupose but to charge blindly in, regardless of circumstance. If you tried to apply any of these strategies (which are important and rewarded (hence reinforced) in chess) in a real life situation, you would be considered very self-centered, and would suddenly find yourself with fewer friends than you started out with. The fact is that games are designed to be unreal. As such, rational behavior in a game is going to be different to rational behavior in real life. And no matter how much the activists want it to be, Virtual Take Out The Garbage And Clean Your Room isn't a popular game and probably never will be. Though I disagree with the term "liberal" in your post... I try to shy away from political generalisations like that, politics is a lot more complicated than "this side or that side"... philip, i am sorry to say, but the activists still wont listen to reason. heres a page of what the activists are thinking about this game. here is the link http://www.fradical.com/The_Bully_Game.htm man, we really need to get the guys who made south park to look into this, i can even see the entire eppisode right now, then it would show how stupid people are being |
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| Author: | Color Printer [ Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:43 am ] |
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Heh, that Mario part reminds me of some stupid idiotic rant against Mario games. Like we could physically jump on our eniemes... |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:04 am ] |
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well, i found out Peacaholics Demands for rockstar within five days of their protests. here are the demands: The Peaceholics had demanded the following list for Rockstar. -Not to release Bully under any circumstances -Volunteer to sell its violent and sexually explicit games in adult video stores only. -Let parents return Grand Theft Auto for a full refund until they do a national awareness campaign to educate parents of content and possible effects. -Create a fund for victims of unauthorized use of a motor vehicle and car-jackings, etc. -Make a national apology for misleading and lying to children, parents, and legislators about their intentions and causing insurance premiums to sky rocket. -Give a written response within five business days of receipt of these demands. heh, ive got theyre written response right here: NO, WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ACTIONS OF THE GAMERS, AND WE DID NOT LIE, were not making any appology for somthing that does not even make sense, wal-mart has a 90 day return policy, so no can do, and what place does a game about being a schoolboy who gets bullied have in one of those brown huts that say "ADULT VIDEO" on the side of them? and finally, no, were releasing bully no matter what you say. From The Nerd who knows what people want in video games, Take Two Interactive. |
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| Author: | Ju Ju Master [ Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:29 am ] |
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Man, I hate people who try to "save the world" Getting us kids aware of things like crime and things like that stop us from doing it when were older, as we understand it more, but people don't understand that. |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:33 am ] |
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Ju Ju Master wrote: Man, I hate people who try to "save the world" Getting us kids aware of things like crime and things like that stop us from doing it when were older, as we understand it more, but people don't understand that.
hey, can we start a movement, or Political Club against rediculouse claims made by that fat guy, Jack Thompson. well, anyone up for it? |
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| Author: | Occasional JD [ Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:51 am ] |
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I'm in. "There was only happiness, fun and World Wars before video games came along, and taught our children to murder! OH WHAT SHALL WE DO!" |
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| Author: | ramrod [ Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:43 pm ] |
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Choc-o-lardiac Arrest wrote: hey, can we start a movement, or Political Club against rediculouse claims made by that fat guy, Jack Thompson. well, anyone up for it? I'd so be in for that. It just seems that no matter how many law degrees they have, they're still idiots. I think Tim From CAD said it best. "I could go out right now, pick any murder in the world and link it to something stupid just the way you keep doing. Man kills his wife while she sleeps. Turns out he ate cheerios for breakfast that morning. BAN CHEERIOS OMGWTFBBQ!."
That just sums it up. |
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| Author: | Beyond the Grave [ Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:47 pm ] |
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Choc-o-lardiac Arrest wrote: hey, can we start a movement, or Political Club against rediculouse claims made by that fat guy, Jack Thompson. well, anyone up for it? I would sooooo be up for that.
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| Author: | Ju Ju Master [ Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:27 pm ] |
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Beyond the Grave wrote: Choc-o-lardiac Arrest wrote: hey, can we start a movement, or Political Club against rediculouse claims made by that fat guy, Jack Thompson. well, anyone up for it? I would sooooo be up for that.Yeah, people blame things for no reason, I'm in. |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:00 pm ] |
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alright! we have enough guys up for this! ok, im gonna make a button for us to put on, or in are banners, ok? now we need a name first. S.V.G.B, Save Video Games from Bannination, or somthing like that, u guys can pick. |
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| Author: | Cmarbagoi [ Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:00 am ] |
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Alright, here's my opinion on the topic of game bannination: I'm a simple person. I like video-games. People play video-games to ESCAPE from society. That's why Rock* made GTA, so you could do things that you CAN'T do things in real life. But no, some kid has to be an idiot and kill like seven cops and blame it on GTA. Parents, if you let a kid who doesn't know right from wrong, don't give him a game. In fact, don't even let the guy even play video-games. Push him outside and lock the door. People just don't seem to understand that. But nooooo, if you let your kid play a game that allows you to shoot anybody, AND IT'S RATED M FOR A REASON, for the love of god, don't blame the company that made the game. That's like going up on some rich dude's property that says "tresspassers will be shot" and getting shot, then sueing. It's just something you don't do. But that's where Jack Thompson comes in. If a game that involves modifications to make sexual scenes happen (hot coffee with Sims 2 anyone?), he's gonna make sure that the company will be liable. And then I heard about Bully. I'm a nerd. I've been pushed around so many times when I was younger. I finally have a chance to go into someone else's shoes SHOVE PEOPLE IN LOCKERS, give them SWIRLEES, and do everything a bully could imagine, then some D.C. tightwad comes in and ruins it all. If Jack Thompson truly thinks that this game will inspire kids to be bullies, he needs to get a reality check. There are ALREADY bullies, yet schools do nothing about them. Sure, they'll have you tell on the kid, but once that's "taken care of", the jerk will just beat you up after school for snitching. And schools can't do a single thing about it. So finally a game comes out that gives you the power of toilet flushing, and detective JT has to get on the case. Ugh. |
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| Author: | King Nintendoid [ Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bully |
Phlip wrote: Choc-o-lardiac Arrest wrote: what are your views on the release of so-cal violent child corrupting video game? Correlation does not imply causation. There's not much more to say. Phlip wins. Thread over. |
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| Author: | Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bully |
King Nintendoid wrote: Phlip wrote: Choc-o-lardiac Arrest wrote: what are your views on the release of so-cal violent child corrupting video game? Correlation does not imply causation. There's not much more to say. Phlip wins. Thread over. yo, king nintendoid, did u even read any more post after that? and besides, its not an argument or a debate, we all agree about the subject and we are planning on doing something about it, ok? |
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| Author: | Get ur dun [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:14 am ] |
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i'm so in |
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| Author: | Get ur dun [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:15 am ] |
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i'm so in |
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| Author: | Get ur dun [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:15 am ] |
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i'm so in |
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| Author: | Get ur dun [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:16 am ] |
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i'm so in |
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| Author: | Get ur dun [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:17 am ] |
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i'm so in |
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| Author: | Mr. Lawry [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:30 am ] |
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First of all it's a Funk game. second if it's going to be rated mature kids aren't supposed to be able to get there hands on it. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:32 am ] |
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Mr. Lawry wrote: First of all it's a -CENSOR'd!!- game.
second if it's going to be rated mature kids aren't supposed to be able to get there hands on it. Actually, the game isn't censored... And parents are stupid enough to buy anything for their kids, anyway. |
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| Author: | Mr. Lawry [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:38 am ] |
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Well then it's the parents fault kids would do things like that isn't it? |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:41 am ] |
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Mr. Lawry wrote: Well then it's the parents fault kids would do things like that isn't it? Partly, yes... It is also the kid's fault.
I do find it irresponsible that companies make games like this, knowing that children are going to play them, but, you know, I don't think they should stop making them.. It'd be a form of censorship, in my opinion.. And censorship (even of things that are "offensive" or "in bad taste") is a bad thing... |
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| Author: | Mr. Lawry [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:42 am ] |
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You don't understand, Rockstar doesn't want children to play them, they just want to make a profit. |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:47 am ] |
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Mr. Lawry wrote: You don't understand, Rockstar doesn't want children to play them, they just want to make a profit.
Actually, I understand you completely.. Rockstar doesn't make these games for kids, and certainly doesn't intend for them to be played by kids, but they have to know that kids are gonna play them.. They're not stupid. Like I said earlier, though, this doesn't mean they should stop making their games. |
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| Author: | Mr. Lawry [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:48 am ] |
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So they should stop making games so kids don't get them? What if the games are good? |
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| Author: | StrongRad [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:53 am ] |
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Mr. Lawry wrote: So they should stop making games so kids don't get them? What if the games are good?
No, they shouldn't stop making their games. It IS irresponsible to provide entertainment like this, knowing kids will get ahold of it, but I don't think they should stop. They should work harder to keep these games out of kids' hands, although nothing can be done about the stupid parent that buys their 8 year old GTA: San Andreas.. |
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