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Nope, wasn't mocking. I actually thought that sounded pretty good.

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The Tower of Babel was essentially a giant monument to human acheivement, a temple for man to worship himself. It was an attempt by fallen humanity to lay claim to deity, which was not their right to do.

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Thank you for all the responses, I had never thought of the Babel story as mankind making themselves like a God. Also the argument that mankind should have spread out across the globe is a good point.

I had always thought of it as a story telling of a God who wanted to hinder our achievements, which was where the real issue I had lay.

If Noah's Ark landed in Turkey, how did the little flightless Kiwi Bird get back to New Zealand?

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God put it there.

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That is an interesting question... or maybe people took it with them on boats and it spread there, the same way wild horses came to the US. They were probably good food.

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on boats? to New Zealand? meaning a bird that is native to NZ didn't get there until Captain Cook's time?

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Captain Cook was the first European to settle there. Before that there had already been tribes living for hundreds of years whose history probably isn't recorded...

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Well, it can be explained like this. Pangea.



To be honest though, I doubt that Noah's Ark truely happened. It was just a story to teach us that we have better behave and not stray away from God.

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Exactly. And Turkey is in......Europe.

Pangea, eh? Need I point out that the contients had already seperated long before humans trod our fair earth?

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I know. I was just joking, as evident of the I put in there.

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my mistake, i only get funny jokes

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Fossile-Dossile, I'd watch what you say. You're not making many friends the way you've been acting.

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I just told a joke! Did ya get it?

Plus no one is answering my Kiwi Bird conundrum.

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I think it was just regional thing.

They already have.. Ian said "God put it there", Ed said that someone took them on boats, and I'm saying the same. More than likely, they got there via boats from somewhere. I admit, that does raise the question of "Why aren't there kiwis somewhere else?", but I can't answer that. If I had to guess, I'd say that wherever they came from kiwis were on the verge of extinction. Some got on a boat (either brought aboard or as stowaways), got to NZ, and, having no natural predators there, thrived, while back home, they died.

It's just a guess, though.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Man, you must be smoking some pretty potent crack.

1. God put it there isn't a reasonable answer. Don't plug the holes with more God.

2. Europeans didn't get there until the 18th century, so no boats from any country even NEAR Turkey could have gotten there.

3. If, back home, they all died, where are the fossils? Were they on Atlantis maybe?



what does THAT mean?

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Don't ya just love ad hominem attacks? I do. Stop that crap or you won't be around here too long.

Why not? God IS a reasonable answer. If God created everything in the universe, what makes you think God DIDN'T put it there.

Glad you were there, so that you can give us such an absolute truth.

Maybe they are.. Who's to say?

You said nobody had addressed your question, three people did. Take it or leave it.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

You're not a very pleasant person. Making statements like that only insults people. It has no other purpose.

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No it isn't. That was an easy answer. What makes me think God didn't put it there?

Common sense. Reason. Logic.

It doesn't say in the Bible that God moved the animals to their respective homes. That would have been worth mentioning, surely.

"Little Kiwi Bird! I summon thee to the islands of New Zealand, where thou shalt live in paradise!"

It isn't there.



Ok. So this "Ark" lands in Turkey. The birds are in Turkey. So to get to NZ they are going to have to go FROM TURKEY. The only boat heading to NZ for 1700 years is one captained by one Captain Cook, which left from England. On board from England to NZ, I can say without a shadow of a doubt, there were no Kiwibirds.



Um....no. They're not.



I was given ad-hoc answers that make little sense and that have been proved false with a little grade 3 history lesson. C'mon. Smart Christians. Where are you?

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if you could choose your ancestors, and grow just like a weed
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Can we ask a question?

"Was there."

"How is."

"Excuse me for a moment please."

"Ahem."

How long can God continue to love someone who sins?

I say forever.

This doesn't mean He won't be sad with us, or disappointed.

It's a lot like how the parents of a multiple-felony convict can still love him. That love brings them intense sadness, and it doesn't mean they'd trust him enough to let him live with them, but they still love him.

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Thank you.

*bows*

May we ask another question?

Do you think God loves those who are in Hell?

I do. He loves all of His children, no matter who they or what they've done.

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Hey, just because an answer is easy, doesn't make it wrong.
I can't believe you just played the "intellectual superiority" card.. That always cracks me up.



The Bible doesn't mention people breathing, either, so I suppose nobody breathed for a couple thousand years, either.


You're assuming that we know BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that there were ABSOLUTELY NO SHIPS to EVER leave the area near Turkey before Cook sailed.


and you know this because you've studied every rock in eastern Europe/western Asia, right?

Third grade history? haha.. Wow, insulting everyone who disagrees with you. You must be right.

And now, to people who aren't here to cause trouble:

God's love IS infinite. I have wondered about the second question you asked, though Alex. It would seem that, if God loved those in Hell, that they wouldn't be there. Of course, I'm sure Dids has addressed this before, somewhere.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

I can't believe YOU just played the "Well, if you weren't there, how would you know" card. That always cracks ME up!

I could use that card on you, yet you can't use what you call the "intellectual superiorty" card on me.



Someone here doesn't understand basic sailing history. I'm not saying they didn't leave Turkey. I'm saying they didn't make it to NZ. And lets say one got there at 500 AD (totally improbably, but go with it) from Turkey WITH 2 Kiwibirds. Where are the fossil records of the kiwibird in Turkey?

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if you could choose your ancestors, and grow just like a weed
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Moses, who wrote Genesis, didn't know about New Zealand because it's thousands of miles away from the Middle East. Besides, the kiwi could have evolved there after its ancestor settled.

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The fossiles were obviously from before the flood...
Exactly, Cook was the first European settler, and when he got there there were already other tribes. So we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were ships before Cook.

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What?!



Ships and boats are completely different.

According to Wikipedia, "New Zealand was one of the last areas of the planet to be settled.

Archaeological and linguistic evidence (see Sutton 1994) suggests there were probably several waves of migration from Eastern Polynesia to New Zealand between 800 and 1300 AD. Māori origins therefore cannot be separated from those of their Polynesian ancestors (for more information see Polynesian culture). Māori oral history describes their arrival from Hawaiki (a mythical homeland in tropical Polynesia) by large ocean–going canoes (waka) - see Māori migration canoes. Migration accounts vary among Māori tribes or iwi, whose members can identify with different waka in their genealogies or whakapapa.

There is no credible evidence of human settlement in New Zealand prior to the Māori voyagers; on the other hand, compelling evidence from archaeology, linguistics, and physical anthropology indicates that the first settlers were East Polynesians who became the Māori."

So, according to your theory, Kiwi birds lived in Turkey before every one went NZ in between 800-1300 AD, despite the fact that there is no fossil trail of Kiwi birds leading back that way.



Somehow he knew about it, because he sailed there to kick up the little kiwi bird in the first place, right? And the Kiwi is related to the Australian Emu. Do explain how an Emu can evolve to a Kiwi in 2,500 years?

And don't say god.

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As in, I only think it flood was in one area.