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Does the Bible contradict itself?
Yes. 30%  30%  [ 15 ]
No. 26%  26%  [ 13 ]
Only if you take it literally. 44%  44%  [ 22 ]
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1. I think god rested on the seventh day or so, but why would a god need to rest?

He didn't need "rest," per se. The Hebrew term there is "cease or stop." He "rested" not because he was tired, but because his work of creation was finished.

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2. There are hundereds of religions out there, how are you supposed to know which religion is the true one, or if the true religion even exists?

I base my assessment on history. Jesus Christ was a historical person of whom at least 7 different men wrote about in their lives, testifying to his life and work, which includes many accounts of miraculous events. These men's accounts corroberate one another, and that these men were willing to suffer and die for what they believed to be true. Furthermore, if this Jesus actually did and say all that these men claim he did and said, then he is none other than the Creator of the Universe in human form. That being the case, I don't see where there's very much room for any other religions or "paths to God."

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3. If god loves everybody and wants everybody to go to heaven and be happy, why aren't you simply born in heaven? And if it's because you are allowed to choose/be trialed, why can't god just calculate the outcome and be done with it?

That was the original plan; that's pretty much what Eden was. But people messed it up by first mistrusting God, and then rebelling against him. But not to worry. When he comes back, we will be raised from the dead and that Eden will be restored. Unfortunately for them, those that continue to rebel will not be allowed to enjoy it.

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That was the original plan; that's pretty much what Eden was. But people messed it up by first mistrusting God, and then rebelling against him. But not to worry. When he comes back, we will be raised from the dead and that Eden will be restored. Unfortunately for them, those that continue to rebel will not be allowed to enjoy it.


But then won't somebody else ruin it again?


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At that time, there will be no more sin, no more temptation to sin, and in fact, those who will live in this new Eden will be those who are committed to trusting and following God. And, with the new life we will have, we will be perfectly able to do so. So I don't see there being much opportunity or desire to sin in that new world.

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I'm curious as to which modern translation to buy. Right now I have an NLT, an NIV, 2 Gideon NTs in the NKJV translation, and The Message's Gospel of John translation. Which is the most accurate & useful one for the non-Bible scholar?

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The most accurate English translation available would have to be the New American Standard Bible, but it can be a bit difficult reading. I would suggest it for doing indepth study, but to use something like NIV or ESV for daily reading. Personally, I like the ESV over the NIV; I feel it is more trustworthy.

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Do you like The Message? It seems to be more everyday.

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Wait, is that Eugene Peterson's modern paraphrase?

I have read portions of it here and there. Modern paraphrases can help in understanding some things, but they dont' really make for good theological references. I'd only use a paraphrase if, when teaching, I needed to express an idea in the simplest possible terms. Otherwise, I'd rather use an actual translation.

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To answer your question, yes.

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Why does the bible keep track in verses like so;
19:4 7:12 3:9 etc
I dont know any other books except the bible that does that. Do ancient texts do that?

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It's easier to find certain passages that way. It's also in the Torah & Koran.

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Thanks for clearing that up. :)

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But to answer your question, the ancient texts don't have that.

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Here is the Wikipedia article on the introduction of verses and chapters to the Bible. Of course, the Wikipedia is probably the last place you wanna go for specific and accurate information (unless it is has dedicated editors to ensure accuracy), but this is probably accurate to some extent.

EDIT: While checking out the discussion page for the Bible article, I found a funny request that there be spoiler warnings for those who haven't read it! Can you imagine?

Guy 1: Man, the Bible is great! Last night I got to the part where Jesus gets crucified, and, wow, that's some intense stuff!

Guy 2: Yeah, he comes back to life though.

Guy 1: DUDE, WHAT THE CRAP?!? I HAVEN'T READ IT YET!

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BIBLE SPOILERS? Dude. That's so funny, it's not.

Next thing you know, there'll be Bible fanfiction... :p (KIDDING.)

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Actually there is Bible fanfiction. It's called "Left Behind." It's pretty crappy, though. I wouldn't bother with it if I were you.

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I saw a "Bible fanfiction" thing on YTMND once...........


But anyway, I'll just paint some toast now.

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Actually there is Bible fanfiction. It's called "Left Behind." It's pretty crappy, though. I wouldn't bother with it if I were you.
Actually, I heard it was very good. Apperently there's a whole series of books about that.

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Bad continuity though. They make up this whole thing about the Church disappearing 7 years before Jesus returns, when the Bible clearly states that the Church will not be raptured until the Last Day.

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Is homosexuality...wrong? I mean, the bible says that you ought not lay with another man, but some people are born like that. What are they supposed to do?

First of all, the Scriptures teach that we are all born sinners (Psalm 51:5). So, in a very real sense, "I was born that way," isn't really a good excuse for any of us.

Yes, but I'm still confused, and you didn't exactly answer my question. And,
how is that not a good excuse? How can you take blame for things beyond your control? Why should you be punished for a bad hand that fate dealt you? It just seems to me that God's infinite compassion wouldn't punish you for something that you didn't exactly...do, and wasn't your fault. Do you see where I'm going with this?


sorry, i know this is (kinda) old but i have an important thing to say.

being gay is not a sin but acting on it and doing "that" with a peson of the same sex is a sin.


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One of the teachers at my school (Jay Bennish, BTW) says he found a "hole" in Genesis 4. If Cain and Abel were Adam and Eve's only 2 children, then who was "Cain's wife" in verse 17?

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One of the teachers at my school (Jay Bennish, BTW) says he found a "hole" in Genesis 4. If Cain and Abel were Adam and Eve's only 2 children, then who was "Cain's wife" in verse 17?
I've stated that before to Dids. There are some theories that Cain's wife was actually his sister. The book of Jubilee, if I remember right.

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Does Genesis state explicitly that Cain and Abel were Adam and Eve's only kids?

I didn't think it did.

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It doesn't mention any until Seth, in verse 4:25. But that still doesn't explain Cain's wife.

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Genesis does not explicitly state that Cain, Abel, and Seth are Adam and Eve's ONLY children. The answer is real simple: as sexist as it may sound, Hebrew geneologies typically did not include female family members unless they were EXTREMELY important historically. Basically, they married their sisters who were not named in the geneology.

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Thanks a bunch, Didy!

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I heard that god sees the past, the present, and the future as one. Like we can see depth, width and height at the same time, he sees the past, present and future all at the same time. So if he's also allknowing and allmighty, why has he made the world like it is?

I know you're gonna say he gave people free will, and such, but I can't see why that would matter, seeing as he know what will happen etc.

Say you give a knife to a child, and how to hold it and why and it could hurt itself etc. You know the child will ignore what you told it and hurt itself anyway with the knife. And the child does indeed hurt itself. Sure, you didn't hurt the child. You told it how it should have done. It hurt itself, and you're tecnicly not responsible. But you gave the knife to the child, and knew that it would hurt itself, even tough you told it how to hold the knife. You're still indirectly responsible for the child being hurt.

So when god put that forbidden tree with fruit in Eden, he must have known that they would eat it. He must have known that he would tell them not to, but they would anyway, and that he would throw them out afterwards for doing so. But he still put it there. He could have chosen not to, and let them live happily there forever, but he didn't. He put it there, waited for them to eat it, and then threw them out. No matter how I look at it, I can't help but to feel god was responsible for that. In fact, I can't help but to feel that god is responsible for everything in the whole world, seeing as he's known everything that will ever happen, all along, always...


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I heard that god sees the past, the present, and the future as one. Like we can see depth, width and height at the same time, he sees the past, present and future all at the same time. So if he's also all-knowing and all-mighty, why has he made the world like it is?

I know you're gonna say he gave people free will, and such, but I can't see why that would matter, seeing as he know what will happen etc.

Say you give a knife to a child, and how to hold it and why and it could hurt itself etc. You know the child will ignore what you told it and hurt itself anyway with the knife. And the child does indeed hurt itself. Sure, you didn't hurt the child. You told it how it should have done. It hurt itself, and you're technically not responsible. But you gave the knife to the child, and knew that it would hurt itself, even tough you told it how to hold the knife. You're still indirectly responsible for the child being hurt.

So when god put that forbidden tree with fruit in Eden, he must have known that they would eat it. He must have known that he would tell them not to, but they would anyway, and that he would throw them out afterwards for doing so. But he still put it there. He could have chosen not to, and let them live happily there forever, but he didn't. He put it there, waited for them to eat it, and then threw them out. No matter how I look at it, I can't help but to feel god was responsible for that. In fact, I can't help but to feel that god is responsible for everything in the whole world, seeing as he's known everything that will ever happen, all along, always...

Well, to begin answering your question, I'll first need to establish a premise:
1)The future does not theoretically exist.

If there WAS a future time, and a state in which all things were destined to be, then we would not be in control of what was going to happen, and this cannot be true, for there is a cause and an effect for everything we do. Why don't you just crawl in a corner and sleep for the rest of your life, since you won't change anything anyway? but, that in of itself implies that you are changing the "future" by what you are currently doing. So, the future doesn't theoretically exist, QED.

2)You can't just put "God Can" in front of nonsense; i.e. God can make a triangle with four sides, because that wouldn't be a triangle any longer. The same would thus apply to seeing the future if we accept Premise 1. So, the child would resultantly be fully at fault for the doing of this, QED #2.


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So when god put that forbidden tree with fruit in Eden, he must have known that they would eat it. He must have known that he would tell them not to, but they would anyway, and that he would throw them out afterwards for doing so. But he still put it there. He could have chosen not to, and let them live happily there forever, but he didn't. He put it there, waited for them to eat it, and then threw them out. No matter how I look at it, I can't help but to feel god was responsible for that. In fact, I can't help but to feel that god is responsible for everything in the whole world, seeing as he's known everything that will ever happen, all along, always...

1. You speak as if you have the right to judge God. You don't. He's the creator, the Lord of all things, and you are just a mere creature, and he is in no way responsible to answer to you. When you take it upon yourself to act as God's judge, you already err.

2. God warned the First Parents what would happen if they did not obey him and refrain from the forbidden fruit. Regardless of how you try to rationalize away their responsibility, it doesn't work. Adam and Eve acted in distrust and in disobedience. Your argument is like saying, "But officer, the government knew this car had a gas pedal. They should have known I was going to break the speed limit, therefore it's the government's fault that I broke the law." Nice try, but it doesn't fly.

3. Ultimately, the whole incident with the fruit was a test of faith: would the first humans listen to God and do what he tells them, or will they try to usurp his place and try to make gods out of themselves? They failed miserably. Ultimately, that is the root of all sin: thinking that we are in the place of God to determine for ourselves what is right and wrong. You might want to refer to what I wrote in Answer #1 above and consider this more carefully.

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Wow. I have been reading some of these Q & As and let me telll yuo guys something: You are BRILLIANT! You know so much about the one thing I want to be stronger in. These are such amazing answers! You ahould become prefessional... Christain... Answerers...ers...


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Wow. I have been reading some of these Q & As and let me telll yuo guys something: You are BRILLIANT! You know so much about the one thing I want to be stronger in. These are such amazing answers! You ahould become prefessional... Christain... Answerers...ers...


Well... Didymus being a pastor he kind of is already...

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