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I think you are misunderstanding some things. Fear is not a factor for many of us at all. Some of us simply do not believe that homosexuality is appropriate behavior and disagree with it on those grounds. That is why, as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, the term "homophobia" is misleading, as it suggests that the only reason for our disagreement is based on irrational emotion, when this is not the case.

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Which, at the end of the day, falls back on a comparisn between homosexuality and paedophilia. You can't make that statement without an implicit comparison.



But the type of people that are involved with paedophilia are very often rapists. The same is not true of LGBT. How could someone be stupid enough to begin to compare? Most people can make the disctinction - they just don't want to, because it's their only real argument against LGBT issues.



Uh, how exactly? Behaviour you can't control except by harming yourself severely shouldn't be a "Moral" issue. But whatever helps you sleep at night while you make your judgements.

Pretty much any attempts to "cure" either homosexuality or indeed transsexuality have been proven ultimately to fail. Check Wikipedia, check almost any legitimate source on the matter.



Gods will you shut up about NAMBLAS. As a bisexual perosn I find it EXTREMELY offensive that I am being compared to them even after the comparison has been totally disproved. But then you just threw a hissy little fit.

Tell you what, if it's true love, force them to wait 8 years and see how they feel about it then.



I don't really get this. Why are you making such a big deal? It's like me saying that I disagree with the way you leave the toilet seat up on moral grounds. If anything, that could be more of an issue, germs and that.

All the Paedophilia type arguments ultimately fail because they're based on "Well, if you allow homosexuality, then you allow all these other things". I don't think you understand recurrsion. It comes from the base case, which is "Well, if you allow a man and a woman to be together(For resons other than reproduction". It's still exclusion, whichever way you look at it.

Not to mention, they're used against gay marriage, which is nonsensical. It may have been a more valid argument against SODOMY which had been legalised, and none of this fabricated openning of the gates has happened. Haven't you noticed that?

Rosalie, I think you're seeing the other people's arguments too narrowly.
I dont really have a word for it but it seems like something is missing from your arguments.

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I'm not. I'm just trimming through the "benefit of the doubt" stuff that many people give. I'm just saying what I see.

uhhh what? I dont go down that easy Rosalie

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Why do I get the feeling this thread is about to get a lot nastier?..

Please don't let this degenerate into a flame war.

If it does, both sides will end up looking REALLY stupid.

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back to non insulting things (im being very general here, so don't take this in a bad light):

Gay people are cool. a lot of times they're funnier than straight people, dont ask me why. all the straight people wish they could be like the gay guys and have all the s on their backs. And gay people always have something interesting to talk about, are very accepting, and in general most of the time, they're very fun to hang out with.

but gay people seem to get ed off more easy than straight people. i really don't mean this in an insulting way, but thats just the way it seems to me. this is not necessarily a bad thing, but i always find i have to be on my guard all the time to make sure not to make them angry.

don't get me wrong here, i like gay people a lot, this is just my honest opinion, where people don't know me, and i can say how i feel.

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well, i dunno why but gay guys seem to relate to females better so they like them better than the straight guys.

edit: the other word i was saying seems to be filtered out, so im using females from now on

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What is this "s?"

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Then where the hell is your retort?

It's definitely not the forum that's doing it; I'm guessing you have some sort of filtering software or other malware installed on your computer, in which case I must request that you avoid editing the Wiki (we've had trouble with such mangling pages in the past).

Anyway, I'm a straight, but I relate to women a whole lot better than I do to men.



Rosalie, you're going to have to adjust your tone if you want to continue participating in this forum.

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Though this was discussed on theprevious page, I'd like to add my two cents. If I someday have kids, I wouldn't want them to be homosexual. I would still love them just as much, but I'd want them to raise their own families, and have kids of their own.

I think if kids are raised by homosexuals, they're more likely to become homosexuals. Many children develop their veiw of the world at an early age, so the chance of them becoming homosexual is defenitely greater. Is this a bad thing? it depends how you think of it. I personally don't want homosexuals "turning" others into homosexuals, as heterosexuality is vital for mankind, and because of that, normal. Yes, normal. Not that i think the whole world will stop being heterosexual, because how did homosexuality begin in the first place? There'd have to be heterosexuals

But that brings me to something else; is anyone really homo or heterosexual? People are people why are men attracted to woman and women attracted to men, other than the need to reproduce? I think most of this is in our sub-concious, someone might think they're homosexual, but there's really no such thing, pretty much. If it were normal, I'd probably like other men, but it's not, so I naturally don't, as I see other people at a very young age, like my parents, act as heterosexuals.

The more I think about that, the more I really wonder. I mean, look at it this way, if kids truly took their sexuality after their parents, all kids with straight parents would grow up to be straight. This can't be the case, then, as there wouldn't be any gay people. Straight parents don't make straight kids, so gay parents won't make gay kids. I know this is a gross over-simplification, but, in general, if you think about it it makes sense.

The only real issue I see with gays adopting kids is the psychological welfare of the kid. I don't know that 2 fathers or 2 mothers would hurt a kid directly. The problem I see is, that when this kid reaches school age, he/she is going to be taunted unmercifully for that, in addition to any other "faults" the kid has. Perhaps a time will come when homosexuality is more widely tolerated (or at least viewed with apathy) when this won't happen, but right now, I can just imagine.

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Fair enough.



Whoa! Hold on now. You can have an opinion there, but smarter people than any of us have done research on this, and while it's a possibility, it's extremely unlikely. It might bring it out from an earlier age - but if you're not wired that way,



I see no reason to presume that homosexuality is "aquired", and if it is, it's probably much more complex than what your parents do/who they are being a major factor. There are plenty of things in our DNA that aren't activated until puberty, and homosexuality usually kicks in earlier.



And why is homosexuality not normal? It happens in nature.

And as you go on to say later, there is no way that nobody could be straight. So why is it an issue? People aren't just going to stop liking the opposite sex, and I hardly see how underpopulation is a problem in the world today.

And homosexuals can't turn others into homosexuals. It's a complete fallacy that's been debunked numerous times.



An interesting point, but I don't like the "If it were normal, I'd probably like other men". Just because something is different doesn't mean it's abnormal. It's just to do with how your brain is wired, for whatever reason. It's to do with who you are inside.

Well, JJM, I would say that you might be a little off on this one. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that same-sex attraction could very well be inborn, although many cases I agree are psychological. I would ask you how much actual study you have done on this to base your opinions...

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Here's something that just popped into my head:
If we knew the "cause" of homosexuality, be it genetic, psychological, pure choice, etc, would it change your feelings about it?
By that, I mean would your stance on something like gay marriage change?

Because of its base in apathy ("I spend too much time on my own business to put my nose in other peoples' business"), mine probably wouldn't.

I only bring this up, because people seem to be debating the "cause(s)", but don't seem to really care why.

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This is a great point. Personally, and religiously, I feel that homosexuality is wrong, so to me, it doesn't matter what the cause is. The Bible says that it is wrong, but it also says that we will not be tempted beyond that which we can endure. So when I talk to someone who is conviced that homosexuality is not wrong, I find that, whether religious or not, it is a belief to them, so I can't really expect them to change their belief anymore than I would expect my belief to change. The only reason I talk about possible causes, is because if we understand the cause, then we can better understand how to overcome the cause. Also, since those who are proponents of homosexuality talk often about causes to justify the behavior, it is good to know a bit about it in order to be able to discuss it at all.

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You're joking right? Sexual preference isn't something you learn like that. I.....wish I had a way to verbalize all the things I want to say to dispute that point, but it isn't formulating right in my brain.

But that point is so wrong. So wrong. There is no proof that homosexual parents = homosexual children. Heterosexual parents don't = hetersexual children either....

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-Krista

I was arguing against that too, Sakura. Please re-read my post.

Rosalie didn't put that in quotes..
You lost me there for a minute, too..
You should probably edit that.

I saw that and my first thought was "ok, you're agruing with someone by agreeing with them" and it kinda made my head hurt..

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Okay. That wasn't quoted before. My bad. To whomever stated that....yah...read my post.

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-Krista

I ould defenitely be off, that's justmy opinion, there are barely any facts in that post. I do, however, think that there's a greater chance for a kdi to be homosexual if they're raised by homosexuals. Kids learn a lot from their parents. Notice a greater chance, just like how kids who are raise dby heterosexuals are homosexual, in the end it depends on the person.

I'll hjave to do some research, btu i don't think that things like homosexuality are inborn. Until I do some research, i think that you're born with mainly only your instincts, and you learn as you go.

Don't take my word for any of this, though, still pretty much all opinion, with a bit of common sense mixed in (like kids learn from their parents)

But there's every possibility that's like saying that you can learn being ball from tall parents.



Unfortunately, homosexuality is something that requires some level of education about to understand, which is why much of America rejects is so readily, as they refuse to read about something they dislike :/ The same is even more true for transsexuality, which really isn't something you can grasp all on your own in the least.

I think that JJM really is right in some respect. Kids DO learn a lot from their parents, so kids raised by homosexual parents are almost definately more likely to be more open and accepting of homosexuals. If the kid does have homosexual tendencies, it will probably be easier for him/her to come out, or at least face his feelings. One of my best freinds recently told me he was gay, and that he had been debating with himself for years about whether he was or wasn't. Some people could go through their entire lives trying to figure out if they were gay or not, because of some deeply embedded shred of homophobia, and if they have homosexuals for parents, it will probably be easier for tham to make their deciion, cause they won't have that little bit of homophobia that I think every straight person has.

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All the more reasons for parents to be more tolerant and accepting.

I know people that have been raised by gay parents and they are all straight.

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Incidentally, if homosexual parents did cause homosexual children, this wouldn't even be a bad thing. The overpopulation crisis on Earth means that it could even be considered a good thing.

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"You get the Most Annoying Transsexual I've Ever Spoken To award." -The Zephyr Song

But it's UNNATURAL!

Didn't you just say it was natural? it's hard to keep up

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Just mocking the pathetic strawmen of arguments most "anti-gay" people have.