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Homosexuals are alot more likely to get an STD, especially HIV and AIDS. I've heard reports that children of homosexuals are worse off, or not as happy, or something like that. I'll research about it if you want. The divorce rate among homosexuals is higher. Homosexuality is an addiction that you can get out of if you want, just like heterosexuallity. People have gotten out of both. That's all I have to say for now.

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Acually, I don't think Homestar wears pants.

Where did you get this information? The fact that you state it and then say you'll research afterwards...

How is it an addiction? It is extremely demeaning to put down homosexual "love" as an addiction(and heterosexuality is just sex, too?), not that you obviously give a crap about those faggy gays, eh? They just sit around having sex all day.

Every single shread of scientific research speaks against you on that.

I'm also disgusted that their being prone to HIV is an argument against them - what about people who are naturally prone to getting other diseases? Should be discriminate against women because they can get certain types of cancers men can't often get?

Not to mention it's people like you's blasted fault that happens by denying people the appropriate education in the first place.

It's blatant you are starting out with a prejudiced belief and trying to scramble together information to defend it.

Divorce rates? Statistics please? And there's any number of factors that can affect that.

^ exactly ^

also, I still am annoyed by the fact that the people who have had the least exposure ot the gay community are the ones that have the strongest convictions against them. I really hate it when someone implies that all gay people are the horny dance-club flamers we see on TV.

Those "reports" that you apparently heard of about being raised in a gay household are totaly fake. I guarentee that they came from someone with a pre-conceved aversion to the gay culture. The people I know that were raised in gay households have been very happy, even friendlier (through early exposure to open-minded tolerance, no doubt) than most. It's not even a 'new' thing- I have a friend, a straight man in his late 30's- early 40's, that was raised by 2 lesbians and he is one of the happiest people I have ever known. I also have three cousins (all straight - 2 boys and a girl) that were raised by 2 gay men. There was absolutly no difference in their childhood development/environment than there was in mine.

Sure we all have predudices, but at least I can say that I've formed my opinions about [any subculture] through my own personal life experience.

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#a- It's homoSEXUALITY. It's a sexuality just like heterosexuality. Any sexual lifestyle becomes a habit that is hard to get out of and you have withdrawls when you try to.
Your counter to my comment on diseases is not valid. HIV is defferent that cancer. When someone gets HIV it's always someone's fault.
It's spread by:
sex
bodily fluids
Mother to child

If you get it from sex, it's your fault you had sex, unless it was a rape.

What education am I denying people?

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Acually, I don't think Homestar wears pants.

Sure, HIV is sexually transmitted, but you're missing the point, which is that gay people are no more prone to HIV/AIDS than are straight people.

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I think the point may have been that homosexuality is a more promiscuous lifestyle, and it would seem to me that ratio wise, it is probably true. And since it is true that promiscuity is a factor that increases the risk of contracting the HIV virus, it could be true that a homosexual would be more at risk for this and other STD’s.

But in my most humble opinion, fornication and homosexuality are equal in the wrong-scale, so I would say that in either case it is wrong and should not be condoned nor practiced.

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Except, um.. that it's not.

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It may not be true, but I would think that if you randomly selected 100 "straight" people and 100 "gay" people, you would find that more of the straight people were not promisuous... I really have no data to back this up, except I would think that people that consider themselves gay have gone through a sexual identity evaluation that normaly includes expirimentation... but this is just me thinking, not any hard facts. What do you think about it?

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Well...

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So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain. Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell?

I don't see any actual statistics, research, or anything but general prejudice here.

Homosexuality is about love before sex. Loving a partner of the same gender.

I guess you wouldn't really understand that, though.

Thank you so much for adding this valueble insight into the discussion.

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I was referring to the fact that YOU YOURSELF gave me the answer: It was nowhere near the state of being hard facts.

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So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain. Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell?

hmmmm... I didn't ask for an answer, I was wondering if IJ (but anyone really) thought about my reasoning.

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I think that it hinges a lot on your definition of "promiscuity." Since we've already established that sexuality in the homo- and hetero- sense is about feelings of love, not actual sexual experiences, I would hesistate to make any assumptions about the relative "promiscuity" of straight and gay people. I think it's likely that most homosexual people "discover" their orientation long before they ever have a sexual experience, just like you and I did, and I doubt that the average gay high school kid is any more promiscuous than the average straight one.

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Since, at most, we each probably know 300-400 people well enough to know their sexual orientation (this number is a total 'off the cuff' guess), I really don't think ANYONE has quite a big enough data set to make any conclusions about the promiscuity of any sexuality..
So, like Jones, I really don't know if, as an average (IMPORTANT PART), is any more promiscuous. Somehow, I kinda have my doubts that one "side" is more active than the other.
Of course, this is based on the people I know, and it's kinda hard to make a generalization on such a large group with such a small data set.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

let them do as they please, its no big deal to me.

I believe that it is wrong, based on my religous beliefs, which are also my personal beliefs, as Didymus said earlier in this thread. If homosexuality is normal, than why are there different genders in the first place? If we were meant to be homosexual, there would be only be one gender.

I do believe that we shouldn't treat homosexuals as outcasts, though, even if it is wrong.

A better question would be, if homosexuality is wrong, why did God create it, or at the very least, willfully allow it to come into being? (Remember, homosexuality isn't a choice, so blaming it on God's imperfect creations doesn't work out this time around.)

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Actually, homosexuality could be considered a choice, as there are examples of heterosexuals switching to homosexuality, as well as homosexuals switching to heterosexuality.

My opinion is that humans have been spinning in a downward spiral since "the Fall" back in the Garden of Eden. God didn't create it, it just is a natural outgrowth of sin.

Back up a few pages, Douglas. We've already been over this. Out here in the real world, homosexuality is not a choice.



Now I'm going to be guilty of retreading well-trod territory, but what the heck: God created man and God created sin (or God created Satan knowing full well that he would create sin.. whatever you want to believe, it all goes back to God). Absolving God of responsibility for creating homosexuality isn't possible.

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God created all sentient beings with free will. Creating man as His puppet wouldn't make any sense; He wants us to freely worship Him. Thus, it's man's choice to fall into sin; God would prefer if it wouldn't happen, but he's not going to force anyone to obey him in some sort of mind control. He's not a dictator.

Satan also made the choice to turn from God; he wanted to usurp God's power. God didn't want it to happen, but it did.

God knew that all this was going to happen. That is why he sent His Son to Earth to save us all from our sin. It's up to us to take his gift or leave it.

Holy cripes! I think I found the meaning of life.
And on another note,I dont think one should have the're religion mixed with the're social life, I have 3 athist friends, and I have no problem with them.

Let me try this once more: Homosexuality is not a choice.

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Its not like this is a hard fact though. It is pretty evident that some have a predisposition towards same-sex attraction, but how is this different than any other trait that we are born with? We are all born with traits that are positive and negative, our values and morals help us decide which ones are which... why is this any different.

btw, I did a little research on the web, and came up with nothing but numbers supporting the statement that homosexuals (men particulary) are the highest risk group for contracting HIV/AIDS.

a website that had the latest numbers.

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I was talking more about sin in general there, not just homosexuality.

I agree with seamusz, though, on how some people may be born with more of a tendency towards same-sex relationships than others. But why is that? Because every human is born into sin. We are tainted from the very point we are conceived. All of this is because of the original fall into sin.

And remember, there have been cases where homosexuals have changed to heterosexuals.

So I can't blame God for sin because sinning is each individual's choice, but even if they don't choose to, everyone's a sinner as soon a they're born anyway? Gotcha.



It would be more accurate to say that there have been a statistically irrelevant few cases where a person claiming to have been homosexual claims to have become heterosexual. This idea that these kinds of people are anything but a vanishing minority is just fantasty. Homosexuality is not a choice.

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Why is that? Because of genetics. Gay people are born that way.

The fact that someone has genes that emphasize sexual attraction for members of the same gender does not make them sinners.

And those gay people who turned straight? I don't know, but it seems like maybe they weren't really gay in the first place. Like IJ said.

I just can't understand how people can take a genetic condition and turn it into a sin. If you were born with Down's syndrome, would it be your sin that you weren't born without Down's syndrome? Of course not.

Now I'm not comparing Down's and homosexuality, I'm just saying they're both genetic and you can't do anything about it.

Then again, that brings up the idea of genetic engineering, but we'll leave that out of this, I think.

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But Down's syndrome is not a behavioral thing, and homosexuality is. Instead of compairing it to someone being born with down;s syndrome, how about someone who is born with a violent nature. That person can either deny that there is a problem and struggle through there life not dealing with their violence issues, OR they could accept that they have this tendency and embrace it because they were born that way, OR they could accept that they have the tendency and work toward addressing it. Now I am not saying that violence equals homosexuality anymore than you were equating homosexuality with down's syndrome. Does that make more sense?

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How do you propose they "address" it? We've already "addressed" the fact that homosexuality is not a disease and that it cannot be "treated," much less cured. The only way to "address" it is to stop persecuting people for the way they were born and let them live their lives the only way that they can.

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I didn't say it was a disease. How do you know for certain that it cannot be treated? Many behaviors are treated through therapy. Why is this any different?

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