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Author:  Ofelix [ Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:53 am ]
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Before the middle/latter half of the 20th century, the word "gay" appeared in the dictionary as “carefree”, “happy”, or “bright and showy." It was once very common in speech and literature and used in that context.
As a matter of fact Gay came from French ''gai'' which yeah meant '' carefreee'' ''happy'' ''bright and showy''. How many time did I see that word in Moliere's writing... ;)

Anyway as a matter of fact I've nothing against homosexuality. I mean come my ex girl was ''maybe'' Bisexual because she didn't really know herself. And of one my best friend is also bisexual, actually to think that she like men and women alike is kinda ''interresting''. She even had a crush on my ex while I was dating her :eek: kinda weeeird, but now I find it really funny.

There was and there will ALWAYS be homesexual so get on with it m'okay? It's not just about sex and lust it's about love. Some people think homosexual people only has ''lust''. Yeaaahhh rriiiiight Many heterosexual also do.

Marriage, why not? As a matter fact here it's legal so I've nothing to say really.
Author:  khan earl [ Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:45 pm ]
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Ima from san fran so I dont find gays to be bad, but in florida it seems that everybody is a homophobe, thats one of the reasons I hate florida.
Author:  Upsilon [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:58 am ]
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I have no problems with it. Pretty cool to see that most people here are the same.
Author:  Ofelix [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:11 pm ]
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but in florida it seems that everybody is a homophobe
I thought the worst place was Texas USA. Was I wrong Ô King of the Mongols?
Author:  StrongRad [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:15 pm ]
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Ofelix wrote:
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but in florida it seems that everybody is a homophobe
I thought the worst place was Texas USA. Was I wrong Ô King of the Mongols?
Why do you say that? I'm just curious if you've ever been there, or if you live there, or what.

I don't think it's fair to say that one state is the most homophobic, or whatever, mainly because you're stereotyping a lot of the people in that state as being homophobic, when, most of the time, a lot of them could care less.
Author:  Ofelix [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:18 pm ]
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Why do you say that? I'm just curious if you've ever been there, or if you live there, or what.

I don't think it's fair to say that one state is the most homophobic, or whatever, mainly because you're stereotyping a lot of the people in that state as being homophobic, when, most of the time, a lot of them could care less.


No I never set foot there, true, I think it's kinda a stereotype. But that's why I asked and I never stated anything.
Author:  DukeNuke [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:57 pm ]
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Geneticly, I say non-straight relations are some sort of mutations or evolution or whatever you'd like to call it. There's not realy anything wrong with it, but it's negative in the way that the person or animal who is non-straight problably won't breed.

Humanisticly, I say everybody rides diffrent boats. What turns you on is your issue and nobody elses. If I remember correctly, as much as 10% of everybody have other main sexualities than straight. Plus that I think most people aren't 100% one sexuality. There are quite a lot more sexualities than straight and gay, you could say an object and there would most likely be someone who'd be turned on by it.

Religiously, I say that since a lot of people are non-straight, and there doesn't seem to be any god punishing it, I guess it's ok to be whatevery you want.

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BTW, I'm christian, but I'm agnostic, so it doesn't realy matter.
Author:  khan earl [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:31 pm ]
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Why do you say that? I'm just curious if you've ever been there, or if you live there, or what.

I live in florida now, it seems TO ME that everybodys a bigit here(in florida), but I used to live in san fran though.
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There are quite a lot more sexualities than straight and gay, you could say an object and there would most likely be someone who'd be turned on by it.

like those gross rubber and lether fetishists.
Author:  seamusz [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:09 pm ]
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DukeNuke wrote:
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BTW, I'm christian, but I'm agnostic, so it doesn't realy matter.


oh.... thanks for clearing that up... (?)
Author:  DukeNuke [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:00 pm ]
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Uhm, ya, that last part didn't make much sense now that I think of it... :-S
Author:  Jerome [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:44 am ]
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Xyzzyka Gruefrotzer wrote:
I totally support gay peoples. 'Course, I accidentally turned my gay friend bi and now he's my boyfriend, but I swears I didn't do it on purpose! I mean conciously! ^^;

(<--is a girl. See? it rhymes with Jessica, it do!)
It doesn't really work like that, I think. He would've been bi all the time and not realised it, and maybe preferred boys to girls but still bi. I don't think you can actually "turn" someone.

DukeNuke wrote:
Geneticly, I say non-straight relations are some sort of mutations or evolution or whatever you'd like to call it. There's not realy anything wrong with it, but it's negative in the way that the person or animal who is non-straight problably won't breed.
The way I see it, homosexuality might be nature's way of keeping a population of animals down to prevent it from increasing out of control - because the same-sex couples wouldn't be able to breed. We've got a population of over 6 billion and no natural predators, so here comes the homosexual gene. Good idea but it doesn't seem to have worked though, 'cos a lot of gay peoples have kids anyway - either because they're taught "gay is WRONG!!!" from an early age and get married anyway to keep up appearances, or because they have a kid with donor sperm or egg or with another couple. Bad luck, nature, we've foiled you again :mrgreen: (Gay people having kids is no problem for me, by the way. I was just hypothesising why.)
Author:  Didymus [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:32 pm ]
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It doesn't really work like that, I think. He would've been bi all the time and not realised it, and maybe preferred boys to girls but still bi. I don't think you can actually "turn" someone.

What makes you the expert here? It does happen.
Author:  khan earl [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:37 pm ]
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kinda reminds me when kramer turned a lesbian into a straight, but I seriosly doubt you can change a persons sexuality.
Author:  Didymus [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:25 pm ]
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But how can you be so certain?

The only reason to assume it's not possible is based on the assumption that sexual orientation is purely genetic. But if it's not purely genetic, then there is the very real possibility that someone's orientation could change, for whatever reason. Xyzzyka's boyfriend is just one example.
Author:  khan earl [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:41 pm ]
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cause its all hardwired into the mind thats why, you can diny your sexuality, but not deastroy it, I mean I'm straight dosnt mean I can swich to homosexual, even if I was brain washed.
Author:  Didymus [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:31 pm ]
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I still think you're making an assumption not based on evidence.
Author:  khan earl [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:49 pm ]
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ok heres an exaple: if you in a religion that thought being straight was a sin, do you think you can turn gay to not be a sinner?
Author:  InterruptorJones [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:06 pm ]
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Alex chiu wrote:
ok heres an exaple: if you in a religion that thought being straight was a sin, do you think you can turn gay to not be a sinner?


I frequently disagree with Didymus, but even I can tell you're making an argument that's not especially coherent.
Author:  Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:31 pm ]
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Didymus wrote:
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It doesn't really work like that, I think. He would've been bi all the time and not realised it, and maybe preferred boys to girls but still bi. I don't think you can actually "turn" someone.

What makes you the expert here? It does happen.


No, you can't turn somebody it's just a fact. Furthermore I don't think that the term "Bisexual" is more than myth, I don't think you can like both ladies and dudes no matter what your gender is. It boggles my mind.

I can look at a guy and say "Wow, that guy is looking really sharp today" and the thought of my sexuality has never come after it, if you're secure in who you are then you can say that without anyone looking at you funny (or you questioning yourself).
Author:  InterruptorJones [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:45 pm ]
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Sabaku no Gaara wrote:
Furthermore I don't think that the term "Bisexual" is more than myth, I don't think you can like both ladies and dudes no matter what your gender is. It boggles my mind.


Apart from the fact that it boggles your mind, why do you believe that?
Author:  Prof. Tor Coolguy [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:58 pm ]
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InterruptorJones wrote:
Sabaku no Gaara wrote:
Furthermore I don't think that the term "Bisexual" is more than myth, I don't think you can like both ladies and dudes no matter what your gender is. It boggles my mind.


Apart from the fact that it boggles your mind, why do you believe that?


I don't know, possibly because 1 out of every 3 of my friends say that they're bi or beginning to feel bisexual feelings. What I think is that they're confused (as many teenagers are about their sexuality at my age) and they shouldn't go around telling everyone before they're sure. Most of them arn't because it shows in their day to day nature that they excusively like one gender but like to say they're a bit gay because it's the popular thing to be nowadays.

Possibly I'm not against the thought of bisexuality, I'm against people who are posers.
Author:  InterruptorJones [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:03 pm ]
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Sabaku no Gaara wrote:
Possibly I'm not against the thought of bisexuality, I'm against people who are posers.


You should have said that in the first place. :D
Author:  khan earl [ Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:08 pm ]
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I frequently disagree with Didymus, but even I can tell you're making an argument that's not especially coherent.

how am I not coherent!?, he spose to say "no" than I say "then how do you think gay people can", but then again he can say "yes" then I would just be screwed, okay, it is a bit flawed but I doubt he would say "yes", but since I openly disscussed this the test is ruined, so nether mind.
Author:  Didymus [ Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:35 pm ]
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No, you can't turn somebody it's just a fact.

Just because you SAY it's a fact does not make it so. The FACT is that people have and do sometimes change. You are in denial, and your denial is based on assumptions you've made which have no factual basis. The very existence of cases in which people change is proof that you are mistaken.
Author:  What's Her Face [ Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:58 pm ]
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InterruptorJones wrote:
Alex chiu wrote:
ok heres an exaple: if you in a religion that thought being straight was a sin, do you think you can turn gay to not be a sinner?


I frequently disagree with Didymus, but even I can tell you're making an argument that's not especially coherent.


I think chiu's argument is that your sexual orientation can be affected either at a conscious or unconscious level by social constructs. There's a possibility that it is - people don't generally want to stray from what is socially acceptable, at the risk of alienation etc.

So, coming to chiu's example, if a person hypothetically follows a religion where being straight is sinful, it's possible that they would alter their sexual orientation to fit in with the social norms of that faith.

Sabaku no Gaara wrote:
What I think is that they're confused (as many teenagers are about their sexuality at my age) and they shouldn't go around telling everyone before they're sure. Most of them arn't because it shows in their day to day nature that they excusively like one gender but like to say they're a bit gay because it's the popular thing to be nowadays.

Possibly I'm not against the thought of bisexuality, I'm against people who are posers.


I'd say you have a point - but your friends probably aren't making it up that they have bisexual feelings, this is actually quite normal for teens. It's a phase that'll most likely pass.

This kind of relates to what people were talking about earlier - about whether a gay person can "change". I did a little bit on sexual behavior at university, and one thing I remember is that there's a strong connection between sexual orientation and social constructs.

It varies from case to case as to what makes a gay person change, but logically there's one of two factors behind it - that it was either conscious or unconscious.

In the case of your friends, their bisexual feelings will probably disappear at an unconscious level, because, since they're still teens, the fact that they're still developing is an issue.

But say in the case of a gay person in their 30's or 40's who suddenly announces that they're straight - that "change" is most likely brought about by denial and social pressure more than an actual change of their sexuality. Though the reasons vary, person to person.
Author:  NPC [ Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:11 am ]
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I think that people's seuxality should not matter if they're not hurting anyone directly.
I have yet to hear a persuasive argument against homosexuality, and if there
really isn't one out there, then how can people condone homophobia?

Every post I've read here (I didn't actually thoroughly read the whole thread yet)
that is against gays read either like "The bible says it so it must be true" or
"I just think that the idea of homosexuality is unnerving". Neither argument
in any way persuades me to be against gays.
Author:  Lunar Jesty [ Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:24 am ]
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TheGoblin wrote:
Every post I've read here (I didn't actually thoroughly read the whole thread yet)
that is against gays read either like "The bible says it so it must be true" or
"I just think that the idea of homosexuality is unnerving". Neither argument
in any way persuades me to be against gays.


I don't think anyone is this thread is against gays. And I don't think they're persuading you to be gainst gays. They're saying "These are my beliefs." Even the ones who think it's unnerving, I doubt they're unnerved against the person, they're unnerved against the behavior.

Personally? I've always thought asking if you supported gays was a bit like asking if you supported, let's say, trees. You have nothing agaist the tree iself for being a tree. Most people will enjoy the tree. However, some people will have to deal with the tree in a hurtful way, say, because ther branches are tangled. Others will help the tree untangle its branches.

That's the last time I make a metafor.
Author:  NPC [ Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:33 am ]
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Lunar Jesty wrote:
TheGoblin wrote:
Every post I've read here (I didn't actually thoroughly read the whole thread yet)
that is against gays read either like "The bible says it so it must be true" or
"I just think that the idea of homosexuality is unnerving". Neither argument
in any way persuades me to be against gays.


I don't think anyone is this thread is against gays. And I don't think they're persuading you to be gainst gays. They're saying "These are my beliefs."


What I meant was that I don't really think their arguments are valid. Sorry if I was unclear.
Author:  DESTROY US ALL! [ Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:12 am ]
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You decribed my position quite eloquently LJ. I have no problem with homosexuality. But when it comes to metrosexuality or Emo kids being Bisexual just because it makes them seem sensitive is wrong, exploiting differences. Kind of like what Em&M(or however you spell it)is to rap. but in a more grotesque fashion
Author:  The Japanese Geek [ Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:18 am ]
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It is my opnion that this debate is almost akin to that of the rights of slaves of oh-so-many years ago. We should all know that racisim is wrong. The Slaves couldn't marry. How is this diffrent?
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