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Why should we believe he exists? Except for murals and the Bible and churches and stuff, why should we prefer some imaginary figure over proven scientific facts such as the big bang? I mean, people ask "Well, the big bang might be true, but who created the particle that exploded into the universe?" Did anybody really have to create it? What if it was always there? Now, I know it's impossible to imagine infinity, but was there really a beginning?

What if it's true that the universe goes on forever in all four dimensions? What if it's true about evolution and that people did evolve from monkeys and weren't created by some awesome figure? Why was Adam white and not black, yet evolution proves that the first people to exist were black and originated from Africa instead of somewhere in Europe?

And besides, why did god tell Adam to name all the animals when we're still discovering new lifeforms today that we're naming by ourselves? Surely we're not all named Adam?

And why shouldn't we believe science if there's no proof to the contrary? There is no proof in religion, just stories! After all, this whole thing did start because of some carpenter in Rome! How did his apostles know what to write in the Bible? It's not like he told them everything in there!

There is actual proof to science, yet there are only myths in religion. There is no proof! And people expand on it! Did you know that a couple killed their son who had the same disorder I have because they thought "Asperger's Syndrome" meant demonic possession, and killed their son, thinking God took him into His care, when the kid couldn't even breate because they wrapped a sweater around his head?

And Jesus says he is the son of god, even though he was born to Joesph. Don't you think that these God people are pulling our legs? Mary had to get the sperm from somewhere!

God is corrupting society, because crazy people think that god tells them this, and soon it starts expanding so that religion will one day (If it not already is now...) just be a desperate attempt to prove that everything in science is false? Because every time someone comes up with a scientific theory, you can expect some religious person to come up to them and tell them that they heard from God Himself some crazy story making up unrelated facts to the contrary, just because they're an idiot who doesn't like the truth?

I think there is no Almighty Creator, and if there is, even though that's very unlikely, that we shouldn't have to listen to his every whim!

God's Will, God's Will, God's Will! Forget God! Why should we have to listen to him? If he does exist, he's a big jerkface who only cares about the rich and undeserving! Is God an antonym of karma, or something?

Believe me, if he were to prove me wrong, he'd have smote me by now. Until then, I'm going to use my COMPUTER, which is a piece of TECHNOLOGY, which is a section of SCIENCE, which is, of course, every Republican's pet peeve.

Thank you.

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You better believe it.

I'm a pagan, I was in the middle of wondering about my faith and starting checking out some pagan stuff. I then formed my beliefs based on it.

I don't know how to get into it with you, but I've seen some very strange things and heard some voices that were most certainly not in my head. Obviously, I've no real way of proving this without documenting and recording my whole life, as anything weird is generally pretty random.

But at the end of the day, I believe what makes sense to me, coupled with my feeling of reality.

I think your post crossed some sort of line, but whatever.

Whoa, a pagan, are you druid, shamen, or other?

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die spelling nazis!

A pagan, eh? I don't know much about pagans.

Ok, I did go on a bit of a rant, there...

But, I've been reading up on psychic things and all (What with Homestar's lack of arms and all...), and it seems, that even in true science, that telepathy and hearing voices without being crazy is very real. It has to do with you brain running on electronic pulses and acting as a semi-electromagnet.

I guess the brain is a sort of wireless router, if you will.

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You better believe it.

???, you must remember that the Bible is Man's interpretation of God's word, so things that God did would have been explained in the only way they knew how to do so.

For example, in the book of Genesis it says God created man out of dust. As molecules and atoms and such were not heard of at the time, they could only explain the tiny particles as 'dust'.

This same principle applies to all the Bible 'innacuracies' and 'contradictions' that are out there. They rely on a word-for-word interoretation of the Bible. So, I believe that for God to be realistic, one must view the Bible very liberally, and keep in mind that it was written in a time berfore a atoms and molecules were known to man.

Also, why does everyone seem to pick on the Judeo-Christian God anyways?

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Yah I hope you know that the bible is also called "The book of promises" God
exists and I hope you belive that.Do they teach you Religon and Christian faith in your school? If there was no God how would we exist? Mankind will dissapear forever if there was no God.

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What idiot thought the idea of putting the hole on the BUTT of them?Take a look one day!Notice those holes on top?Well thats where the Salt come out right?Well if you put the opening on butt guess what!When you go to fill them it is is going to spill and make a freaking mess all over myfloor!-Didy

Geekz0r: Because most of the facts about him contridict each other.

I think you're kinda right, though. I guess it's true that religion was an early version of science where people believed in magic and all that, but some just don't want to give it up, even though a truthful, refined version is out.

Frotzer: 1. No, I didn't know that.
2. I'm pretty sure he doesn't.
3. They did in my old school, but in that one, 98% of the faculty thought they knew what was wrong with me, not that I have Asperger's, but that I was spoiled and suicidal. At age 6. I really don't trust a word they say.

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You better believe it.

I've read some of your old posts, and I'm not quite sure what to make of you.

I call him an Ultra-Conservative.

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I hate to say it, but he seems like a loon. I'm almost surpsied he didn't try to e-burn me because I'm a pagan.

I concur entirely. Probably Republican, too.

Oh, and 4.

Mankind will not disappear forever if there is no god, because we're doing just fine right now, and it's been practically scientificly proven that God doesn't exist.

Besides, why would mankind cease to exist if God does?

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You better believe it.

As a republican, let me say this: "NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!".
He doesn't speak for me.
I believe in God, and I do feel that those who do not are missing something in their lives, but hey, that's their choice. I respect peoples' rights to not have a religion to the extent that they respect my right to have one, sometimes, more.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Could you PM me some of those contradictions? We can have a Bible Contradictions debate! Perhaps with tea and crumpets!

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I think we have thread that deals with that.

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I'm sorry, but this is a whole load of rubbish. Modern science can't explain sentience, let alone dimiss the existence of a god.

I would like to see this proof, though.

Blaise Pascal tried to justify the existance of God through math and science and he came up with Pascal's Wager.

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Sorry, I wished to be able to debate with ??? one-on-one.

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Well, this seems like a flame war waiting to happen...

While I too am an atheist, I think you're putting far too much faith in science. Science has not "proven" there is no God, or that evolution occured; in fact, the scientific method does not prove any idea with certainty. What it does is create a theory that tries best to explain the world based on the evidence shown. If new evidence contradicts it, the idea needs to be modified. So if credible evidence comes up that we really didn't evolve from apes, or indeed that there was a supernatural creator, then I would be willing to believe it.



The world needs more people like you.

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awesome, i never thought there would ever be another Pagan on this forum........ my story is bassicly like yours, except its only because my entire family is just breaking up, my dad is Jehovas Witness, My mother is Catholic, and my sister is Athiest, so i just went with what fit me, and that was Paganism/The Occult arts.

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Well, I just happen to be a Republican, and just happen to love my computer. Please don't lump 'Republican' with 'Super Right-wing Bible Thumper'

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Don't go knighting me yet.. The truth is, I'm selfish. I'm too busy taking care of my own business to concern myself with other people's business.
Does apathy count as a form of tolerance?

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

If it does, then I am the most tolerant person in the world.

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Well, I suppose yes. If you don't care I guess that counts as tolerance. For instance I don't 'care' weather you are gay or not. I tolerate you.

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ohh, well wadda ya know, God is to blame for your Child reading that playboy magazine, God is to blame that bush is an idiot, ohh god is to blame for 9/11, yeah, lets make a law suit against god for making theese things happen. hell, why dont we just go up there and Nuke him?
even though im not catholic or christian, i still think that views like this are whats actually corrupting society. the only way to solve this is to stop telling people "Ohh, Join My Religion, you get health benefits" or "hey, join my religion, you get a free bris!"

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Republican scientist here. According to you, I should be at odds with myself. For whatever reason, I'm not.

I suppose you're going to claim that my involvement in the scientific field is part of a republican plot to bring down science. I'm-a let you in on a secret. Republicans don't have some evil master plan. I seriously doubt if we even have a clue, sometimes.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Urgh. This topic is bashing Republican Christians like no tomorrow.

My two cents: God doesn't seem to have ever given us a reason to not believe in Him, and pretty much every Christian has slightly different beliefs anyway. The basis is, believe in and worship Him, accept Him into your heart, and you will be rewarded. If not, you burn for eternity (or so some say. I personally think that your time in Hell will only be pretty close to eternity). I could argue forever with any atheist, and we'd both be reduced to spouting the same things over and over and over.

???, you don't believe in God, and you have some sort of proof that tells you this. I believe in God, and I'm pretty sure I have some proof that He exists as well. So what's the point in starting a new topic completely about already stated "facts", when everyone knows you'll never convert anyone, just like you yourself will never be converted on this forum?

Meh. My two cents aren't worth a dime.

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This isn't an assualt on Republican Christians, this is an assualt on religion. ???, we aren't trying to convert you. So don't try to convert us. Science may have provable facts, but is there any proof that God doesn't exist? It is not his fault that every horible thing in the world is happening to him. He endowed us with free will. People have made choices. Some good, some bad, and some evil. But, it truly isn't God's fault.

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GENGHIS KHAN!!!!!

COLA, I have to say, grammatical and punctuation errors aside, that was the best post you've ever made. Really.

??? guy, I'd like to know why you think God is corrupting society. I happen to think that it's people like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, Jack Chick, Franklin Graham, and Fred Phelps who give God and Christianity a bad name. Yes, it's the madmen like that who hijack religion and use it for their personal gain who corrupt society, not the religion itself.

Personally, I can't understand how atheists can bear to live in the world believing what they do. I would not be able to function knowing that my life was utterly meaningless.



Not true. Unless some amazing scientific breakthrough happens that lets us know what happens after we die, science will never be able to prove or disprove the existence of God.

Plus, you're 13. Look at all your options before deciding on any religion or lack thereof.

And who's trying to convert anyone here? All I see is a bunch of people discussing their views, some of which are controversial. No big deal.

(By the way, since the conversation seems to be going this way, I'm a Catholic Democrat. Woot 'n such.)

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Yeah, let me rephrase. Stop trying to shove your ideas down our throats.

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GENGHIS KHAN!!!!!

AGREE'd! Well, except for the Republican bit (I'm in the middle), but still.

How, ???, has it been proven that God doesn't exist? I've seen no scientific studies or anything that prove His nonexistance.



Amen, Jitka. Amen. So many people seem to think that all Christians are wackos that go around saying "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL BECAUSE YOU'RE GAY! YOU'RE GOING TO HELL BECAUSE YOU'RE PRO-CHOICE! YOU'RE GOING TO HELL FOR USING THE WRONG FORK TO EAT YOUR SALAD!" and so on and so forth. It's really sad. There are plenty of kind, tolerant, downright cool people who also happen to be Christians (and you can find a lot of them on this forum). In fact, they make up the vast majority of Christians. Really, it's like this with any group--the most vocal members of said group will often be the most ill-behaved, and they're the ones who are corrupting society. After all, can you honestly say that, for example, a church group that helps out at a nursing home is "corrupting society"? What about a group of Christians that collects supplies for the homeless? They're certainly not corrupting anyone.

???, you must admit, your argument has a lot of very, VERY major flaws.

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