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I just picked McCain since I'm Republican. I don't really know anything about Mark Warner, but I do like McCain.

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I think that, unfortunatey, this is not always true. In local elections this is mostly the case, but unfortunately, there are a lot of polititians who vote down the party line. Ive watched c-span a couple of times... (very, very, very, bored times) and I was amazed to see how the votes were almost always split down the party lines, with one or two exceptians. I wish polititians would vote honestly on how they feel, and how their constituency would feel about the topics. But like I said, nationally, I don't think that this is the case.

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You're absolutely right, but that wasn't my point at all. I was trying to say that not all Republicans are completely conservative, and that not all Democrats are completely liberal.

But you make a good point, though.

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Gottcha.

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Wait a minute - so this tyrannical theocracy you said you lived in earlier, where there's a powerful conservative force out to oppress you, is Ireland? Oh sweet mercy....... you and I differ so much on that. I can't think of a country where religious conservatism has lost more ground than in Ireland. Think of how fast the decriminalisation of homosexuality and divorce has followed each other here - abortion will be next, pending on the results of any future referendum. Think of how much faith has been lost by the Irish public because of the Church's failure to curb clerical abuse.

The religious right is shrinking as a seat of influence in Irish society. I think your problems lie in the fact that you're giving too much credence to what such a small sector of society think.



And by the way, it's becoming very annoying that you keep imposing these vast generalisations on America without giving a thought to the complexities of its political and social system. Especially since you're not American. Why exactly can't the preferential vote fly there, pray tell?

I'll field this one. I don't speak for her, but I also don't think it'll work.
We really do well to count the votes in the one vote system. I like the idea of that system, too, if for nothing more than the "instant runoff" capability. It's not that I really think it's needed too much, as, usually, there is one candidate that I really like and one or two that I don't like.
Before we implement something like that, we should probably work on modernizing voting. We have people in this country voting on everything from computers to punch cards. I would think that standardizing the system so that EVERYONE votes on the same system, so that you don't have to actually count the votes (and I favor having some kind of hard copy of votes in case you need to count them), should be the first priority.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Oh definately - PR probably wouldn't be the right way to go exactly this minute. And I agree that voting needs to be made more uniform before doing anything else. But some kind of reform probably should called for to stop the 2001 election scenerio from happening again, and maybe to curb the monopoly that the Democrats and Republicans have.

I think a good place to start would be with Jimmy Carter's and Gerald Ford's recommendations in 2001, to make voting procedures uniform and voter-friendly.

And who knows, once that's out of the way, maybe that will see clear to bringing in proportional representation - if it's viable and the American citizens want it, obviously.

Can we somehow get Frist off the ballot? I mean, I'm not Republican, but I love McCain and I'd vote for him...buuuuttt Frist is basically a Dan Quayle reincarnate. He is so argh. As is Clinton. She is argh.

Oh oh why not McCain and Obama? Dude, that's sweet.

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I would vote that ticket, but it'd never fly. McCain is a republican and Obama is a democrat (and they're both moderates) so I doubt that either party would support them, which is a shame.

As dirty as politics gets, Obama would probably have to change his name..
I can hear the idiots now, "Obama = Osama", even though he's anything but.

I don't know how I'd feel with him as a VP. He's overqualified. He's too articulate to be VP, too smart, too. Look at the precedent he has to follow: Dan "I can't spell potato" Quayle, Al "I invented the internet and cannot change the inflection of my voice" Gore, and Dick "My Heart A'Spolde" Cheney...

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Everyone knows who I'm voting for:


I just hope he gets a new running mate. I don't think Skeletor makes a good VP.

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I heard he was running with Destro this year.
Early reports say that JoeyDay may challenge Destro for this spot though by the standard "knife fight on the bridge."

In all seriousness, though, I really don't know who I want to see run. I like the idea of McCain, but I don't think he'll get the republican nomination (I like him, and he won't get the nomination for the same reason: he's moderate).

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Try being transgender - and living in Limerick. Hah.

Try being transgender - and living in Riyadh or Tehran. Quintruple hah.

Get some perspective. You live in a free country. If you see intolerence and injustice, it is within your power to do something constructive about it. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that it is every Irish citizen's duty - otherwise, they have no right to complain. Get active, if you're not already - join Sen. David Norris and his ranks. Debate sensibly. Don't let emotion cloud your judgement. You'll be surprised how much you can achieve.

But sitting there ranting at us about Texas and our debating styles won't do any good for the transgender community of Limerick.

Oh, so there's a place that's worse? I'm pretty sure most people recgonise that argument as pathetic ever since the Monty Python boys did that sketch about "Hard life".



No it isn't. What the hell am I supposed to do, exactly? Write into a newspaper about it and not get printed?
I'm a pretty small minority and even homosexuals are treated pretty badly as is. We have terrible hate crime protection - that beating up at the George a while back being a fantastic example.
We live in a crap third rate country that's heavily behind the rest of europe, and doesn't like listening to anyone's "whining".



You have a very idealistic worldview. Unfortunately, it's not that simple. Changing things means you have to get people to listen first - and the majority of people in Ireland are not very T friendly.



I am debating sensibly, at least compared with the opposition.



I rather think this is one of the instances where emotion is important driving force. I'd criticise you for your lack of emotion in this, lack of caring, for your current attitude.



Why not, exactly? Even after the horror stories I listed from the southern states, and the governor of texas pretty much saying that if you're gay and expect righs, get out of my state, you still don't give a crap? Good for you, dear.

You seriously need to get a clue about the world outside your head. It’s positively disgusting, what you just said.

Riyadh is in Saudi Arabia, dearest. Tehran is in Iran. Do you have any idea what happens to gay/lesbian/transgender/transvestite people in Saudia Arabia and Iran? I can tell you - they get EXECUTED. PUT TO DEATH. INSTITUTIONALLY MURDERED. No appeals, end of story.

They know a persecution that you will never, ever know. If you think you have bigger problems than them, you are hopelessly naive and self-centred.

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TOASTPAINT: Did anyone hear of McCain sponsering an amendment to the legislation on torture of terrorism detainees? If he's sincere, then maybe this could spell a more positive change within the Republican Party's stance on this. I know one UN diplomat, Mary Robinson, has labelled Dick Cheney as being the "ambassador for torture" because he fully condones shipping terrorism suspects to Egypt and Syria to be "interrogated" in this way. I can't help but agree.

The Bush administration has issued new "guidelines" prohibiting the abuse of prisoners (this conveniently doesn't include the CIA). But without propoer legislation, there's nothing concrete to punish those who do it.

If it is coming from McCain then it is sincere. Here is a man who spent 5 1/2 years at the Hanoi Hilton. I don't think he is a big fan of torture.

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And this affects what I'm saying, how? My point still hands. Just because it's worse somewhere doesn't mean it's not bad somewhere else. Being let live, but a second class citizen is a step up from being murdered - but it's certianly nowhere near perfect.
Obviously I'm disgusted at what happens there. But I feel insulted that you pulled the "People dyin'" card and are guilting me for not being disgusted at what I said. It's unfair and I can't really present an argument if you're going to do that.

That's the kind of tactic the America government use to get people to support their war. And quite frankly, I expected more from you.

And, if you'd done your homework instead of just using a point of knowledge to make me feel bad, many middle eastern countries, since they're utterly hypocritical, often accept transgenders but not homosexuals. Mainly because it gives them more women to abuse, apprently.



Whatever. At least for all I've said, I've, for the most part to my knowledge, if not almost always, called acts bad and wrong rather than the people. Just shows surface behaviour isn't really what counts.