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Disrespectful? To whom? Just all of the liberals with a different opinion, that's who.

Do you even know what an oxymoron is? Something with a contradicting adjective, to sum it up.

And back in the day when marriage was created, it wasn't about love, it was about a man and a women having babies, because pre-marital sex was unheard of a long time ago.

Marriage is not a christian concept, which you seem to be implying. Marriage is most certianly about love in this day and age, or meant to be, regardless of what it once was.

Pre-marital sex was mainly unheard of for Christian reasons. In Pagan times, when there was still marriage, it was perfectly acceptable.

*BAM* goes that theory.



Marriage should be a social construct, not a religious one. It is most certainly not against my deeply pagan beliefs that a man and a man or a woman and a woman should marry. So why should what I do be decided because of a religion I don't believe in?



But that means they're forcing their religion on everyone else. Gay people don't believe religiously that what they're doing is wrong. And lastly, it is none of their business, and does not affect them if they ignore it.

Why does standing up for your belief necessitate removing rights from others who "believe" differently?

Prove to me how it is anything but forcing their beliefs on others



The U.S. does not offer the same benefits to gay couples as it does to straight. And it's deeply patronising to call it civil unions. Call it Gay Marriage. It's still marriage, but still distinguished from just plain "Marriage". That should keep everyone happy.



For the last time, Christianity did not invent marriage. It's true that gay marriage wasn't widespread in pre-christian times - but who knows what could have been? Perhaps they were just plain out respected enough that they didn't need to make a point of things like this.

If that is true, then who invented it?

Oh, some ancient civilization. Rome, perhaps? Greece? Heck, Egypt?

Pick one.

Rosalie: Look. You need to understand something. The majority of the people get to make the decisions. No matter how much you may disagree with them, if you are in the minority, you get overruled. It doesn't matter who's right and who's wrong. It only matters what the people say.

I agree that people shouldn't make decisions based on their religion only, but they do. Whining about it won't help you.

I think this can be compared to civil rights back in the '60s. Sooner or later, we'll realize what needs to be done. Until then, we've got to endure the bad decisions that the majority makes.

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This, I agree with, and it's the reason i support gay marraige. People say taht gay marraige should be outlawed because it goes against the christian religion, and everyone is free to worship the rligiosn they choose. What about the people who aren't christian? It doesn't harm you, if you beleive it's wrong, let them go to Hell, it's not your problem.

This is a common problem with other things, too, but people don't understand that you can support your religion while letting others support theirs. It's easy: Support it by yourself!. So many crazed christians (none of you guys) think that things should be their way becase their the majority. It's annoying, and the media doesn't help.

Of course I understand that, but it's still crap.

If something only applies to a minority, why should the majority decide it?

You're looking at it on a less practical level. That all those people get to say "Marriage is..." which is the wrong way to look at it.

Marriage is based on love, and gay people love each other. Therefore, it is not an "extra" right, but one that should be granted based on recognition of the validity of homosexual love.

Thank you! This has been my problem all along. I don't have a problem with people if they don't harras or force things on me.

Oh yeah, I forgot. It obviously couldn't have been the Christians because we have only been around for 2000 years.

What I meant to say was how can you prove that it wasn't started by followers of the Christian God? (even though Christians weren't around at the time.)

Simple in the Ten Commandments there are two that pertain to marriage: Thou shalt not commit adultery and thou shalt covet thy neighbor's wife. There are reason that support the fact that marriage was not invented by Christianity.

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Okay, now you're getting into kooky territory. Remove the second part of your post and the rolling of the eyes, and you're dead on.

Christianity has only been around for 2000 years, from a netural standpoint. Just because you believe your God goes back to the beginning of time doesn't change the fact that your belief system is relatively new compared to others.

Marriage was most likely a Pagan concept. You'll just have to deal with it, I'm afraid.

Because there were no Christians then. Your original post basically implied that Christianity invented marriage.

Besides, the pagan Romans had marriage.

You don't think the concept of "I like you. Let's live together." could have developed on its own through human instinct?

But toastpaint.

EDIT: Simulposted with Rosalie up there. Wahoo.

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Yes, but the people in Exodus (I forget what they were called and I don't feel like looking it up right now) followed the same God as us Christians. Unless I didn't understand what you were trying to say.



Yes, I know there were know Christains. But as I said, they still believed in the same God.

EDIT: argl, so confusing. Too many simulposts.

Marriage also predates judaism or any concept of monotheism, I'm afraid.

Though it's near impossible to pin-point where it originated. Indeed, as long as there has been recorded history of any sort, it seems to mention marriage.

Afraid of what? Afraid of the fact that marriage was invented by a Polytheistic Religion?

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Uh... I was said "I'm afraid" as um... well I can't really explain it to you. It's just a way to end a sentence when you're telling someone something they don't like to hear.

So you're telling us that marriage predates monotheism. You honestly think any Christian will ever agree with you on that? In case you dodn't realize, the Bible says that the first humans, Adam and Eve, worshipped God. So according to Christianity, nothing predates monotheism.

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There are words for people that disagree with reality.

Saying that christians-before-there-was-christianity came up with marriage is a ludicrous claim, and you're, as a knock on effect, using it as a reason to prevent people from marrying?



And the Bible is a Christian text. I'd hardly call it unbiased. Not to mention Adam and Eve themselves are pretty unlikely.



According to history, paganism does.

At theend of the day, it still comes down to "Christianity is right, you are wrong".

There are several religions that pre-date Monotheism. The Mesopotamian Pantheon, The Egyptian Pantheon, The Greco-Roman Pantheon, they all came before Christianity. The Greco-Roman pantheon is the basis for the Christian Hierarchy.

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Don't twist my words. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't say the word "gay" or "homosexual" once in my post. I, in fact, believe that gay marriage should be allowed. All I'm saying is that you're not going to convince Christians that the Bible is wrong. And yes, I do believe that Christianity is right, and all other religions (and atheism) are wrong. If you have a problem with that, I could care less.

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But at the end of the day, they're forcing it on others. Funk moral relativism, that's wrong no matter what.

You can't convince any religion that their holy scriptures are wrong. You even attempting to do so is dangerous, not so much today, but in earlier times.

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There are laso words for people who can't accept they've lost and try to learn from their mistakes, SORE LOSERS.





ok, Rosalie I'm getting fed up with your inablility to tell the difference between other people bashing other people for their beliefs and YOU bashing people for their beleifs, grow up. You lost. Moaning and whining about it isn't goign to change anything so stop being a hypocrite, and learn to accept it (see look now you got me being a jerk).



And one more thing, stop repeating the same things that we've proven to be weak arguments over and over and over except in differnt words, we're just giving you the same answers and this discussion is going no were.

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You're not listening to me. I agree with you. Gay marriage should be allowed, even though I believe homosexuality is wrong. Marriage is an institution of the government now, regardless of who invented it. Don't blame all Christians for the actions of some.

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Your earlier logic was still flawed, however. There shouldn't be religious bias in these kind of decisions.



Where have I lost, exactly? This was an unfair debate to begin with as I was outnumbered heavily.

You do realise that your comment is completely illogical and out place there, unless you're trying to say Christianity has proved me wrong...?



Oh, just smeg off. Seriously. You're an annoying little insect who keeps rambling on about what a hypocrite I am without delivering a single shred to back your claims.

You must think you're such a mature little kid standing up for the innocent people who's beliefs I'm so horrendously bashing. Or maybe I'm just saying that voting away people's rights is wrong and shouldn't be accepted so readily, but heck, you've running with being a hero, so I won't spoil your dreams.

However, I think you need to grow the hell up and get real.

OK, wow. You really aren't reading anything we say.

Look, about 99.3% of the people posting in this thread agree with you. However, we think you're a bit too paranoid about it.

You assume that if we disagree with you on anything that we are completely against everything you say. That's not true.

You complain about the religious right forcing their beliefs on you. You're doing the same thing. The fact that you believe you have the only possible correct opinion does not invalidate everyone else's opinion.

Now let's just all calm down, please. This is getting out of hand.

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You lost in texas. And it's not an unfair debate, we agree that gays should have the right to marry, we're only arguing with things like this...



THAT, my freind is a perfect example of being a hypocrite (and that is a direct quote).




I use your own quotes as evidence, did you even read them? Or are you like the hulk and transform into an unstoppable liberla monster when you are hit by the light from computer screens?



BUT WE AGREE WITH YOU!!!! <----Make sure to read that part.

I'm only saying that you cant let it bother you so much.



I think we both need to calm down, can we just agree to disagree and let this go already? It;s clear that this is going nowhere so let's just stop argueing about it already.

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I honestly don't know what you are talking about here. What decisions did I say there should be a religious bias for?

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G.K. Chesterton in The Everlasting Man would disagree with you. You also might want to pay attention to the fact that Christianity was born within Hebrew culture, a culture that for the most part despised the pagan religion of the Greco/Roman world.

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So how about them Texans?

It's strange how any argument in this thread almost always leads to biblical history. In this case, it really doesn't have much to do with the original topic. Yes, Texans are religious in an Inquisition sense (ok, not that strict...but you know). But is religion the reason for Texas' craziness? No, it's just the fact that the sort of person that would make those decisions against abortion and gay marriage lives in Texas. That's it. A century ago the political landscape was completely different, and also you must remember that originally New England was far more concerned with ethics and religious issues when the country was founded. Right now Texas is ultra-conservative, and that's their choice. It may change, it may not.

As a liberal, I don't like Texas all that much. But if they want to be stupid, then give them their right to be stupid. I have a bone to pick with their criminal justice system, which seems to be a big problem in the Bible Belt, along with divorce, murder, and domestic violence (ironic ain't it?). If they want to be hypocritical, then let them. Because I don't think we can really change what the second-largest state wants to think.

Plus the Cowboys suck. Darn you ROY WILLIAMS!!

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I just read today that the amount of votes counted was 472,553. I was really surprised, considering that the population of Texas is around 22.5 million, and that this kind of debate is (supposedly) something that "Bible Belt" Texas would go to arms for. So it actually turns out that the vast majority of Texans are apathetic to gay marriage.

Yep, I think you'll find that in a lot of areas of the country.
I really only voted (no) on the gay marriage ban bill in Kentucky at the last election because I was already in the voting booth.

If this was an off-year election in Texas (meaning that there weren't a lot, if any, important seats up for grabs), then, even with a polarizing topic like gay marriage, you're not gonna expect much turnout.

People, you will find, love to complain, but can't be bothered to actually vote.

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