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Or don't know how to operate the voting equipment. It's Texas, so there's a good chance that's it.

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that's very true.. People in Florida couldn't punch a hole in a piece of paper a couple years' back, either.

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I used to like to tell people, "I'm from South Georgia. It's practically Florida, except we know how to count."

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OK, wow. You really aren't reading anything we say.

Look, about 99.3% of the people posting in this thread agree with you. However, we think you're a bit too paranoid about it.


Then how exactly have I "Lost"?

You assume that if we disagree with you on anything that we are completely against everything you say. That's not true.

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You complain about the religious right forcing their beliefs on you. You're doing the same thing. The fact that you believe you have the only possible correct opinion does not invalidate everyone else's opinion.


How am I doing that? People keep making these assertions without backing them up. If anyone makes that again, I'm just going to go crazy. And I mean that.

Please, explain to me how i'm forcing anything on anyone.

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You lost in texas. And it's not an unfair debate, we agree that gays should have the right to marry, we're only arguing with things like this...


Then you're an idiot for making someone being upset over a gay rights issue a "Sore loser". This isn't a game.

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THAT, my freind is a perfect example of being a hypocrite (and that is a direct quote).


HOW? There's a difference between being a hypocrite, and capping a recursive definition. Huge difference.

Look at it this way - everyone has a ball which represents their love for tolerance and compassion. Once they attack someone else, they loose that ball.

You're getitng very close to moral relatvism, which is a whole load of rubbish. Some things have to be plain wrong, and this is one of them. Just like murderers, to a lesser extent, Bigots are wrong. And that's the end of it.

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I use your own quotes as evidence, did you even read them? Or are you like the hulk and transform into an unstoppable liberla monster when you are hit by the light from computer screens?


Posting what I've said back at me doesn't count unless you explain the contradiction.

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BUT WE AGREE WITH YOU!!!! <----Make sure to read that part.


No, you don't. My main point is that people shouldn't be able to interfere with rights that aren't their own and have no logical backing as to how they would harm anyone, and would fight for the death for the right for others to remove the rights from innocent others.

I'm sick of this "just an opinion" crap. If you're voting someone's rights away, you've done something wrong. I'm not going to be soft on you like some people are. You being used as a hypothetical third person, of course.

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As a liberal, I don't like Texas all that much. But if they want to be stupid, then give them their right to be stupid. I have a bone to pick with their criminal justice system, which seems to be a big problem in the Bible Belt, along with divorce, murder, and domestic violence (ironic ain't it?). If they want to be hypocritical, then let them. Because I don't think we can really change what the second-largest state wants to think.


But this isn't a case of "Oh, leave them to their believes". I've met so many online who have suffered because of southern bigotry, ended up on the streets, had their children taken from them.

The more you say "Let them be stupid", the more lives are being ruined. I differ from people here in that i actually want to damn well *do* something to stop people being hurt.

People put the almighty "Right to an opinion" above all. But since there are so many "Normal" folk and so few "Queer" folk, they get instantly outnumbered, and it's only a way of saying "Our opinion on your life is more important than the entire way you live your life".

It's not balanced, it's not fair. So while the rest of you sit on your asses saying how important the rights of people who do nothing but abuse them are, I'm going to damn well figure out a way to stop it.

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I just read today that the amount of votes counted was 472,553. I was really surprised, considering that the population of Texas is around 22.5 million, and that this kind of debate is (supposedly) something that "Bible Belt" Texas would go to arms for. So it actually turns out that the vast majority of Texans are apathetic to gay marriage.


Or they don't think it's likely enough to be passed to bother, which is even more likely.


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Since you're obviously not listneing to anything I say I'll stop arguing with you and quit posting on here.

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Since you're obviously not listneing to anything I say I'll stop arguing with you and quit posting on here.


I could say the same. And neither would help anything.

As usual, majority "wins" without paying any attention to what's right or wrong.


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How am I doing that? People keep making these assertions without backing them up. If anyone makes that again, I'm just going to go crazy. And I mean that.


Yourself included?

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As usual, majority "wins" without paying any attention to what's right or wrong.


Yup. That's the way it works. Whether you like it or not, that's the way it works.

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How am I doing that? People keep making these assertions without backing them up.


You call everyone who disagrees with you an "idiot" who should "shut the hell up." I think that counts as forcing your beliefs on anyone who disagrees with you.

Look, I agree with you that gay people should have better rights. But you're coming across as a maniac. Maybe you could listen to what other people have to say, rather than just dismissing everything they say because they disagreed with one point you made, focusing on one single statement in someone else's post and ignoring the rest of their perfectly valid points, or making ad hominem attacks against people like Mr. Kiss. You're not helping your cause any, that much is for sure.

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You call everyone who disagrees with you an "idiot" who should "shut the hell up." I think that counts as forcing your beliefs on anyone who disagrees with you.


Actually, if you look a bit closer, I only call people that make rash, illogical generalisations(and I explained the conservatism one, so don't bring that up against me again) and act as if they have a god given right to remove other people's rights.


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You can try to rationalize your hypocracy all you want, but until you realize that the things you are saying make you come off as bad as the people you claim it's ok to hate, you're in serious denial.

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You can try to rationalize your hypocracy all you want, but until you realize that the things you are saying make you come off as bad as the people you claim it's ok to hate, you're in serious denial.


But they're doing ACTUAL BAD, WRONG THINGS that hurt people, whereas Gay People are just living as themselves. Is your brain seriously so deformed as to not be able to make that distinction?

Sorry to other people if I come off as a bit nuts, but this kid really, really is driving me insane.


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You can try to rationalize your hypocracy all you want, but until you realize that the things you are saying make you come off as bad as the people you claim it's ok to hate, you're in serious denial.


But they're doing ACTUAL BAD, WRONG THINGS that hurt people, whereas Gay People are just living as themselves. Is your brain seriously so deformed as to not be able to make that distinction?


Yes, we get it. But your fanatical attacking of anyone whose opinion differs from you even in the slightest (like Mr. KISS, who agreed with you on almost everything) makes you appear almost as bad as the worst of the anti-gay activists. You're calling him brain deformed because his opinion is not your opinion, yet you blast those in Texas who enforce their opinion on others. That is hypocrisy, I'm afraid.

Also, ad hominem attacks and name-calling are a bad idea if you want to stick around much longer. I'm not threatening you, I'm just telling it like it is.

Now please, for the love of God and all that's holy, toastpaint.

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\Sorry to other people if I come off as a bit nuts, but this kid really, really is driving me insane.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

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\Sorry to other people if I come off as a bit nuts, but this kid really, really is driving me insane.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you?
Yeah, Rosa, I found your comment about him kinda funny, considering he's one of the older people on this forum. I'm 19, and he's olda than me.

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\Sorry to other people if I come off as a bit nuts, but this kid really, really is driving me insane.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you?
Yeah, Rosa, I found your comment about him kinda funny, considering he's one of the older people on this forum. I'm 19, and he's olda than me.


That just proves that age has nothing to do with maturity, then. Nearly all of his posts come directly after one of mine in a sad, pathetic little attempt to twist my words and demonise me.


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And you calling him demented and small-brained is the epitomy of civility, I presume?

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And you calling him demented and small-brained is the epitomy of civility, I presume?

To which she will say something to the extent of: It isn't, but it's true..
Kinda like the whole it's ok to hate people that hate thing, all over again..

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And you calling him demented and small-brained is the epitomy of civility, I presume?


How would you deal with it? He wouldn't stop.


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How would you deal with it? He wouldn't stop.


Usuallly I start screaming for my mommy to make him while I lay on the floor pounding my fists on the ground... but name calling just might work too.

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And you calling him demented and small-brained is the epitomy of civility, I presume?


How would you deal with it? He wouldn't stop.

Prove your point with reason and logic, not with insults. Ad hominem attacks are considered very poor form, and resorting to them pretty much ruins your credibility. That's pretty much what people have been trying to tell you in that other thread.

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And you calling him demented and small-brained is the epitomy of civility, I presume?


How would you deal with it? He wouldn't stop.

Prove your point with reason and logic, not with insults. Ad hominem attacks are considered very poor form, and resorting to them pretty much ruins your credibility. That's pretty much what people have been trying to tell you in that other thread.


But I *did*. And he continued, and kept twisting my words. How can I prove someone who purposely misinterprates everything I say wrong?


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I can relate to that. Someone recently did that to me in another thread.

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I can relate to that. Someone recently did that to me in another thread.


Show me where I've posted vicious, one line responses like "Yep, it's pretty easy when you hate conservatives and everything they even think about standing for..."

I've never done anything to that degree, and have always attempted to explain exactly where I'm coming from and why I think that.


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I can relate to that. Someone recently did that to me in another thread.


Didymus, you know that that is a complete lie. As for your "relation" to that situation, I wonder where you found the guts to say that. All you talk about is how people attack you. Perhaps if you weren't such a burden on society, we would have all these problems with poverty, illness, and ignorance. It's people like you that support terrorists. Why do you hate freedom?

Ha, I jest! But yes, insult in debate only leads to failure. But sometimes, it's insulting to debate someone who has no idea what they are talking about. That's why we have colleges, to separate the smart people from the dumb.

Oh I jest again.

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I can relate to that. Someone recently did that to me in another thread.


Didymus, you know that that is a complete lie. As for your "relation" to that situation, I wonder where you found the guts to say that. All you talk about is how people attack you. Perhaps if you weren't such a burden on society, we would have all these problems with poverty, illness, and ignorance. It's people like you that support terrorists. Why do you hate freedom?

Ha, I jest! But yes, insult in debate only leads to failure. But sometimes, it's insulting to debate someone who has no idea what they are talking about. That's why we have colleges, to separate the smart people from the dumb.

Oh I jest again.


You had me goin there, for a sec, DanBo.

Actually, I think I know the events Didy is referring to. Rosalie, you're not the person he's talking about, and I don't think anyone would compare you to the person he's talking about (that's a good thing).

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Looking back on it, it would have been very snide for it to have been me. But I'll need confirmation.

Also, Danbo seems pretty cool.


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DanBo is pretty cool. He's the one that made me the "Didymus: Making You Look Not Smart" banner I used to have.

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I was being, much like him, rather sarcastic, I'm afraid.


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