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woah woah woah, dont tell me your a hippie.

Capitalism is what makes the world go round, they make and you buy, you see that Computer your working on? bam, made by some computer company. you know a PS2 you have? BAM! Sony. as for the environment, its basically too far in the hole to fix, plus the end of the world is coming in, like...... 25 years, if not June Sixth 2006. theres no way to stop this from happening, it will happen someday, its Inevitable, all people like you who care about is just ProLonging the inevitable so theyre children will have a happy clean life but actually end up Gothic and screwing the Environment even more. so the best thing to do is just Keep going in the direction we are going, and if we die, we die.

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What? What's wrong with that?



You mean the same Sony that used a computer virus as it's new copy protection?

Capitalism is one way of making the world go around. Unfortunately, it's pretty outdated and much better models based on socialism, or just plain improved capitalist models, have been concieved.

If your opinion is that capitalism is the best system, fair enough. But it's not the only system, and in my opinion, is far from the best.

And extreme capitalism, as in pure dedication to the dollar, never helps anyone. In Europe for instance, we have strong workers' unions. In America, you can still fire someone for being gay, purely because it might harm "company image".



No it's not. What on earth gave you that idea? The environment will survive long after we're gone, actually. We can't kill it(at least the way we're trying to now), but we can damage it to the extent that it's unusable by us.



What the hell?



But living life is all about prolonging the inevitible. Why bother if you're just going to die someday? The enivornment is something which is capable of sustaining itself indefinitely, unlike us.

And how do goths screw up the enivornment?



That's a terrible, nonsensical outlook on life. There are so many holes with it I'm not sure where to start.

nothin, i just never thopught that Pagans or wiccans would care much about the environment, and if they do, then im reading the wrong Grimorires.


okay, you have me there



just a Foretelling


no, i mean screwing up the environment with everyone else.



yes its nonsensical, but as that guy who just walked down the street was thinking "Why should i care if someone in there is getting killed", everyone doesnt care about anyone they dont know, the only people who would help are Good Sumaritans, and even then noone cares.

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Umm... Pagan religions are generally Earth based, if that's any help. Not only that, my patron(or matron) deity is the lady Gaia.



I dunno, I generally tend to care about most things. I'm actually a very loving person when you get to know me. I just went from being perfectly cosy and normal to one day realising I wasn't, and that havlf the world couldn't really give a crap about my issues. So it was a bit of a nasty wakeup call, though I still fought for the same things beforehand, just not in quite the same way.

Then i would like to try

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I think he should have ratified Kyoto, or really, should ratify it right now, because if nothing else it would help America's pitiful image. I really don't think it would encourage industries from moving out any faster than they already are. And besides, all of the countries that they're moving to, like China, Indonesia, and India have ratified Kyoto anyway, so they'd have to put up with it in any case. it can't hurt his image with the liberals, anyway.

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hard work pays off later, but laziness pays off now.

Are you sure about that?

Unless someone "On my side" hops along sometime soon, I'm probably going to leave or get banned or something :/

I actually only came here because I wanted to talk about H*R lol

I always get sucked into political stuff.

Don't leave! It's fun arguing with you over stuff (I'm saying that in the nicest way possible). I agree with you alot, It's just some of your logic I dont get.

Toastpaint


PS: 500th post! Half way to 1000!

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Most of us are on your side, we just disagree over the proper ways to express our opinions and the way we feel those who disagree with us should be treated.

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beep beep I'm a Jeep

to tell you the Truth Rosalie, i back you up 100%, but i gotta express my opinions on the matter, so then yes, i am sure i wanna get to know you better.

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To be honest, I may have been more harsh than necessary in my last post. But I'll maintain that the West wasn't moving forward in the '90s in terms of promoting worldwide peace and tolerance, and also that it wasn't just a case of George Bush coming in and messing things up. I don't share your belief that the West's progressiveness can be divorced from its actions in the rest of the world.

Take Rwanda for example. When Rwanda's president was assassinated, the UN knew something terrible would happen in that country. But what did they do? They packed up their operations and left - leaving the Tutis at the mercy of the Hutus' genocidal tendancies. Many UN staff say today that that's their greatest shame.

And yeah, the '00s were bad - but I'll say that a lot of what happened during the Bush administration were hang-overs from previous decades. Playing devil's advocate, if the Bush administration's aim in overthrowing Saddam was humanitarian - and that's a huge "if" - then they may have been right not to take the UN's reservations into account.

The Bush administration has that reputation of over-reacting, but the UN has a reputation of not acting quickly enough. (And to a lesser extent, as does the Clinton administration - because they were in the perfect position to stop the Rwandan genocide before it began. And it also mismanaged Kosovo badly, and it sold arms to rogue states like Iran.)

Your right Bush isn't going to destroy the world, Chaney is. There is no limit on how many times you can be vice president

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Wow, It's been like three or 4 years since I've last been here

One of my former roommates served in Kosovo as part of the UN's KFOR. He REALLY didn't care for the way they managed things. One of his biggest beefs was that they weren't allowed to act outside of their "zones". The Serbs knew the boundaries of those "zones" and would do as they pleased outside of them while the UN troops were forced to sit on their hands and watch. Chris wasn't too happy about some of the stuff he had to watch. I understand that the UN can't just go in and shoot up the place, and I know they have to have boundaries, but when some of the bad things Chris watched happen 20-30 yards from you, and you order your troops to just sit there, something isn't right.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

I'd still take the U.N. over the U.S. anyway. It's far from perfect, but it's at least representative of a diverse world country which makes it a little more difficult for propoganda to influence people's "decisions".

Any sensible pres. would have invaded a country working on weapons of mass destruction, the problem is that he stayed in thre.


Did you hear he once almost choked to death on a pretzel?

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Clicky:

Even though that was funny, it could happen to anyone.
And coem on, its not like Bush was the first prez to be made fun of. I mean, look at the junk Clinton got, AND STILL DOES. Regean got his fair share of poking-fun at too.

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TIRES TIRES TIRES

We had to stay there... As much flack as Bush is taking for having troops in Iraq, he'd be taking double if he just pulled everyone out and left the people to fend for themselves. Had we not alienated ourselves from the UN, I would like to think we'd be getting a lot more help here.

As for the pretzel, that IS funny.. There are tons of people that have probably plotted to kill him. Imagine how they'd feel if a piece of baked dough would have done what they couldn't..
Oh well, at least he wasn't at a Japanese banquet.
What is it about the Bush family and food, anyway?

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Not to be a Bush-basher, but I find it hilarious how he changed the focus of the war in Iraq from "finding the WOMD" to "Operation Iraqi Freedom." I wish I could have seen his face when he had one of those "Oh crap!" moments and realized that there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq...

The only reason we are still in Iraq is for the oil

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Wow, It's been like three or 4 years since I've last been here

Then how come we are setting up elections and saving lives? The UN is corrupt and is freaking lazy. I am going to quote some one from the IRC on this. Bush definately isn't the best president, but he isn't the demon love child of Satan and Simon Cowel. Hurricane Katrina was unpreventable. Come on, who here really would have thought a month or five years before Katrina, "Man, we have to get better levee systems in New Orleans". Also, all of the people who say that we need to pull out of Iraq immediatly, how will the Kurds or the Shiites feel? Five months after an immediate pull out, Iraq will probably blow up due to all the insurgent attacks.

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GENGHIS KHAN!!!!!

Saving lives? Are you kidding? Since we've invaded, about 2300 Coalition soldiers have died, not to mention thousands of Iraqi soldiers and at least 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died.



The hurricane was not preventable, but the miserably slow relief operations in the aftermath of Katrina were absolutely shameful. Michael Brown, the director of FEMA, and the former commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association (great disaster management background there, by the way), was totally incompetent. Bush said he was doing a great job.

And how can you say no one thought the levees were inadequate? Take a look. I didn't know about the levee problem, but it's not my job to know. The people who did know didn't have the funding, thanks to the Iraq War.

Now, OK, I agree that personal attacks on the president are unnecessary. He seems like a nice enough guy. He just has no clue how to run a country.

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yeah, representative of a diverse world, mostly composed of dictatorships whose human rights records make Abu Ghraib look like Disneyland. the UN has been co-opted by totalitarians who use its democratic structure against democracy itself. i wouldn't trust the UN to vote fairly on plans for breakfast, let alone war.

Surely you're not blaming the levees breaking on Bush... If it IS his fault, then it's also Clinton's, Bush Sr's, Regan's, Carter's, Nixon's, Ford's...
The reason New Orleans flooded is because people built a city below sea level.. That's just a bad idea..


I won't argue with you here. Well, maybe a little bit. He does know a little bit about running a country, but he doesn't seem to know a whole lot.. I kinda think we woulda been better with Jeb.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Oh, I'm not saying it was only Bush's fault, but something needed to be done about the levees, and Bush could have. It's just that some of the money earmarked for repairing the levees was used on the Iraq War.



He knows how to get people to nod their heads. That's his specialty. He's just not good at actually running a country successfully.

And we might have been better with Jeb, but I for one have had enough Bushes in the White House, thank you.

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Hmm, yes, there are many casualties, but at least they weren't taken at the hands of their own government. Yes, the hurricane relief was horrible. Disgusting, as a matter of fact. Also, I think that it is the job of the local or state government to build hurricane protection. Sure, they can ask for federal funding, but to my knowledge, they didn't.

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GENGHIS KHAN!!!!!

That doesn't make the situation any better. I'd rather see less people dying, wouldn't you?



Read the last paragraph of the article I linked to. They had federal funding, but much of it was redirected to the Iraq War.

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Hm, well you got me. Is it just me, or do humans have a tendancy to live in places that are bad to live in? And, yeah, less people dying is good. Very good indeed. Unto the Bush Bashing, it is seriously getting rediculous. Sure, critism is nessasry. Bush isn't doing good now. But, I want to see one issue of the NYT that doesn't bash Bush on the front page.

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GENGHIS KHAN!!!!!

Hm, well you got me. Is it just me, or do humans have a tendancy to live in places that are bad to live in? And, yeah, less people dying is good. Very good indeed. Unto the Bush Bashing, it is seriously getting rediculous. Sure, critism is nessasry. Bush is doing pretty bad now. But, I want to see one issue of the NYT that doesn't bash Bush on the front page. I also want to watch CNN without someone putting a big X on Cheney's face.

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GENGHIS KHAN!!!!!

For the most part, I am anti-bush, but it does get annoying when people are insanely against bush and talk about moving to Canada. There were some things he could've done better, but he wasn't insanely bad.

slightly offtopic, but I was reading some R&P pages today, and man was I reminded why I don't read them. I managed to get most of the scary andor heavy feeling out of my mind by watching...like... a minute of bobobobo, but I'm gonna have to waash the rest of it off with some good ol mindless Homestar.

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I couldn't find a picture of that, no matter how hard I tried.
Anyone got a picture of that? Jones, I'm looking in your direction, for some reason.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.