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Get ready... You're going to be told hunting is cruel..

I hunt (not in a couple years, I'm far too busy to do anything but school/research). Yes, it is probably cruel, but it is far less cruel than the factory farms that produce most of the meat we buy in stores.

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I do think hunting is cruel. Foxes are lot more intelligent and self aware than the average cow or chicken. They also make great pets, even if they smell a little.

As for hunting other things, maybe it's not so bad, but I hardly see how it's such a "great" hobby. It's still taking unncessary pleasure in ceasing life.

I'm not sure whether I should be a vegetarian or not but it does bug me; but at least if you eat them for food they're going somewhere, and many of us simply can't survive without meat.

But the reason we can feel meat and not feel guilty is that the creatures we eat aren't generally intelligent(not academic intelligence like we judge each other on). Killing an animal that is renowned for it's "cunning" just for sport doesn't really have much of a defense.

We are meat eaters as much, if not more, than we are plant eaters. We have teach designed for eating meat.

There isn't really that level of defense for hunting, by a long shot.



How is banning guns like Prohibition? Most of the things people example guns for are false. Alcohol may cause accidents, so do cars. But guns are designed specifically to kill.

And what do you mean "Criminals can still get guns"? Why are you drawing such a line between Criminals and "The innocent folk"? That's simply not true. Much of gun crime is done by ordinary people who end up overpowered in the heat of the moment.

The world isn't black and white like that.

GOD! Its not the guns its the CRIMINALS!

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I agree. If you don't need its meat, and you don't need its skin for clothing, and if it's not a pest, there's no reason to kill it, imo. How about clay pigeon shooting, or just lining up a few cans on a wall? There's a perfectly challenging, death-free, way of enjoying your chosen hobby.


*GASP* Frotzer has made an almost intelligible point!

But yeah, guns aren't the problem, imo - it's the fact that they're often far too easy to get hold of. Yeah, there's still the issue of guns obtained illegally, but the legal process needs to be made a lot more difficult than it is.

Like, none of this "twenty-four hour wait" business. Anyone who wants a gun should be given a thorough psychological assessment first. And they should have lots of tedious paperwork to do, and they should wait weeks, if not months or years, to finally get that gun. And it shouldn't matter if the person has a clean criminal record - the psychological should give an indication to what ends they'll use that gun.

But myself, I don't agree with private gun ownership. If shooting is your hobby, then you should only get the gun on loan from a reputable gun club (your psychological certificate in hand, of course). And as for self-protection....... from what I hear, the indication is that guns kill neighbours and family more than they kill armed burglers.

Rosalie, I think fox hunting is something we CAN agree on. I never really got it. Hey, let's go out and kill something because we can. Perhaps I lack the cultural refinement to understand fox hunting, but, yeah, I just don't get it.


Here's a nother Bush bash I don't like. There was a guy on TV this morning talking about how, since the TSA is allowing small scissors and tools on planes again, George Bush is asking for another terrorist attack. Ok, let's be reasonable. First off, the TSA is probably responding to public opinion. Small scissors and screwdrivers are about the same, threat wise, as, say, a large book or a pencil.
The sad thing is, this guy was probably one of the people that complained about how taking nail files and small scissors was stupid and worthless when the TSA started it.

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Actually, in a way, hunting is helping animals. If people here didn't hunt here, there would be surplus population, lack of food, and eventually, animals will struggle. With hunting, an animal feels almost nothing. I called the reference to Prohibition due to the fact that gun banning will have a minimal affect. And yes, fox hunting is cruel.

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GENGHIS KHAN!!!!!

I'm responding to Sarge's Bush-Bashing here.



I'm not sure how you're able to read his mind, but my guess is that someone on TV told you what Bush is doing and you believe it.

And while that's a nice flash cartoon, it does nothing to help you solidify your opinion.

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I've made a couple rants elsewhere aboot people going 'omgeez bush r teh anticrist anarchy lolololololol!!1!1onetwo'.

Seriously; why not go after people who have more say? The Senate makes all the decisions; all the President has to do is give those decisions the O.K. Can't go to war without the Senates permission. The President can't make laws, he can only sign the ones that the Senate and Congress pass down to him.

My policy is this; if I honestly believe that I could do a better job running the most powerful nation on Earth better than he could, taking into consideration all the factors involved, then I'll join the anti-Bush movement.

I am a Canadian. I am an outsider commenting on your government. This is my patriotic duty.

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4chan ate my soul.

Roffle

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I don't read his mind, I just see past his lies and misinformation.
That, and I don't watch the

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No, it's the crminals with the guns. You wouldn't want to make it harder for criminals to get guns, now woukld you. Nooooooo.... That would result in less crimnals with guns, and you just can't have that.

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Hehe... you remind me of Will Ferrel.



"You sit on a throne of lies, President Bush!"

Also, while you may see bias in Fox News, I think it's a good idea to get both sides by watching CNN, ABC, CBS news AND Fox. I'm not a huge fan of the Dan Rather type journalist, but I still watch to get a balanced view of the issues.



Your attitude really, really sucks. I'm done responding to your posts until you can stop acting like a huge jerk every time you open your mouth.

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Oh yeah.. Making more guns illegal would REALLY make it hard for criminals who DON'T OBEY LAWS to get guns..

I can hear it now..

"I'm going to kill those people for shorting me on that meth I bought from them. Oh, wait. Guns are illegal. I guess I can't kill them now."

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Yeaaah........ I really doubt that Bush would use one difficult and contentious issue to distract people from another difficult and contentious issue, Sarge. That's just pouring petrol on the fire.

It's more likely that the republican party is just pandering to the religious members of their party as well as some of the democratic party. There IS a mid-term election coming up, after all.

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But anyone can see that the tide for gay marriage is starting to turn, so much so that it would be dangerous for Bush to make any statements or promises that he'd be unable to keep.

Like, if he says that he'll put the strangle on gay marriage, and then another state passes the right to gay marriage to law, he'd be seen as being unable to keep control of his own country's law. That may not be the case, but that's what it'll look like.

Besides, I don't think he really needs to pander to religious Republicans - they've always been his strongest supporters, right?

Nobody said it was a great strategy.. I shoulda mentioned it was pandering to votes they've won.
Of course, there are some democrats who are against gay marriage, and those votes MAY be won by an anti-gay marriage republican candidate over a democratic candidate who does not speak out against gay marriage.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

I love you too, lahimatoa, but why don't you stop beating around the Bush (no pun intended) and tell us what you REALLY think?

It's no secret that I've hated Bush since the day he stole the election the first time. I really don't understand how it is that people couold vote for someone like him. Not that it matters now: We're all stuck with him, like it or not.

Meanwhile, he's wiretaping y'all with a little help from his friends at AT&T and the NSA. Have you read the latest about that? Yeah, it seems that the NSA is playing the 'We can't show it to you becasue of National Security" card. It's like the NSA operates outside of the law. Any evidence you might want to use to show that they broke the law is automaticly a National Security concern (becasue the NSA says it is), and it's therfore a secret that they can't let the Judge see (nevermind a jury).
Isn't democracy wonderfull? :dead:

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Pfff...everyone knows that Stephen Colbert is superior to all of them combined.

"George Bush: great President...or the greatest President?"

I love that show so much. xD

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4chan ate my soul.

You really have a hard time letting things go. He won that election because people voted for him, and they voted for him because he was running against a guy that A) Claims he invented the internet and Apparently knows more about Hurricanes and Tropical storms than people who actually study the things, C), Is married to someone who openly supports censorships of music and media, and D) Is unable to modulate the tone of his voice. Bush seemed like a good choice, good enough to win a second time, apparently (had the Democrats have fielded a worthy candidate, like Obama, we wouldn't be having this discussion, but, like most things, that's for another day)


Let 'em. I've got nothing to hide. Maybe they can help me remember when and where I schedule lunch meetings with coworkers.

National Security IS National Security. Beats the alternative. At least they're being open about all of this. What makes you think it hasn't been going on for 15 or 20 years anyway?

Yes. Yes it is. People are free to elect a crackhead president, and have the freedom to criticize him openly without worrying about themselves or their families being dragged out into the street and shot.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

No, he stole the election with rigged voting machines, friendly judges, corupt voteing officials, and a lot of help from his brother Jebb. Or haven't you watched Unprecedented yet? Or read about the Diebold machines?

That's an urban myth. He never claimed he invented the internet.

Ok, now you're just making stuff up 'casue I've never heard anyone say that Gore claims to be an expert on huricanes. Where are you getting this from?

If you're refering to her membership in the now-defunct PMRC, let me remind you who else was a member: Susan Baker, wife of Treasury Secretary James Baker; and Nancy Thurmond, wife of Senator Strom Thurmond. Plenty of blame to go around on that one. Not that people should really vote against a candiate based on what views his wife publicly holds.

Oh grow up.

You mean rig the election a second time.


It's against the law to spy on your own people, at least it's supposed to be. Do you really have no qualms about living in a police state? That's really very sad, but I'll be the first one to complain when they drag you away for some trumped up "security" reason they can't tell us about becasue that's a National Security secret.


What part of "Secret Evidence" don't you understand? They're saying that they can't show the judge evidence that they broke the law becasue they say so. That's outrageous, or at least it shoukld be. Enjoy living in a police state, do you?



Yeah, it's great so long as you're not arab and are unjustly accused of being a terrorist. Or hadn't you heard about the unlawfull deportations, the farmed-out torture, the secret jails, and all the other outrages Bush & Co commit in the name of your democracy?
Here's a fun read: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/05/amnesty.detainee/
Here's another http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/11/1 ... 10915.html

Go google yourself some more, I don't have time to spoon feed you, alright?

PS: VOIP is still safe from NSA wiretapping, but they're working on that, so it's not gonna be safe for long.

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Yes. Bush rigged the voting machines. That's great.
Sorry, but just because two elections didn't turn out the way you wanted them doesn't mean they were rigged. The will of a majority of the American people (in the second election, anyway) may not be the same as your will. Of course, you've said you weren't American (I think it was you, anyway), so you needn't worry about it anyway.

As for the hurricane thing, it's something he insinuates in "An Inconvenient Truth". Gore tries to link global warming to hurricane activity, and while there MAY be a link, it's much more complicated than the "Bush didn't sign the Kyoto treaty, therefore Katrina happened" link hey tries to present. (I will admit, I haven't seen the movie yet, but that's what I've heard from someone who HAS, and he's quite apolitical). Even not seeing it, though, Gore's background in climate is far from what I'd call an enlightened one (I don't know that he's ever taken a class in climatology). We can mix it up over Climate in another thread if you want.

Anyways, yeah, I love how you bring up "police state".
We're so far from a police state, it's not even funny. Here, you're allowed to criticize the government..
As for illegal deportations, I'm not so sure I see them as illegal. I REALLY don't believe in the whole "secret prisons" thing. When my friend's dad was arrested (before he was deported), we knew where he was. We knew where he was going. We even got to talk to him a couple times.

Still, you really need to get over yourself. Come up with intelligent reasons to bash the president (how about "because he's trying to make it illegal for two people who love each other to marry just because they are of the same sex" or "He hasn't vetoed anything since he's been in office") instead of this silly "He stole the election" stuff.

edit: More on the prisons- For some reason, I really doubt that we're running secret prisons.. We're pretty open about Gitmo. Given the conditions there and at Abu Grahib (for example), it would be logical to assume we would be trying to cover up those, too.
With the exception of Gitmo, I really don't see the treatment of US prisoners being anywhere near as bad as it was in the old Soviet Gulags (Goulags)

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Look, the elections were rigged. Twice. And the US media played along becasue they are owned, mostly, by republican Bush supporters. The world media covered the rigged election story, but you being in the US didn't get to see that story unless you went and looked for it.
Here's how he did it: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm

Sorry if that page is too technical for you, but I can't dumb it down any more than that. Diebold (the makers of many of the rigged voting machines) is now being sued in California for fraud by a consumer protection outfit called Black Box. (see http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 04x1960084 for more on that.)
See here for a complete explanation of how the second election was stolen.
See here for an explanation of how Diebold helped Bush steal the 2000 election in Florida.
You know, if you'd bother to Google for "election Fraud" and read some of the results you get you wouldn't be so ill informed about the election fraud. There's tons of evidence out there, go and look.

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Little hint. Just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true.

If you can't come up with any better reason to dislike Bush than "he stole the election", don't even bother posting here.

The media is owned by Bush supporters?!?!? That's hillarious. Not even Fox News is THAT biased. If the president had stolen the election, we would know about it. Trust me.
Just because a group is stealing Diebold doesn't mean that they cheated. Black Box is probably just another group so full of themselves that they think that EVERYONE in America thinks the same way they do when it comes to politics. Sorry. Nice try.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

You didn't read any of what I linked to, did you. Aparantly you missed the link to the video where a former Diebold programer testifed in front of a state senate commity. The one where he explains how Diebold deliberately had their machines programed in such a way as to make it so that their voteing machines are designed to spew out whatever result Diebold wanted and there'd be no record of what the actual vote was.

As for who owns what news outlet.. well, read this: http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php

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Sorry, but that indymedia link doesn't prove anything about a coverup.
If anything, CBS would be opposed to Bush (nuclear energy flies in the face of "big oil") and, thus be telling the "truth" that you seem to think is so obvious.
So Diebold could program their machines. Big whoop. I would be less willing to trust a company that couldn't program their machines with votes to test output, though, I admit that "no paper trail" thing did make me a little nervous.

Once again, though, I'll say that just because you don't agree with the outcome of an election doesn't mean a candidate cheated, nor do some links cobbled together from the internet prove it. If the internet is to believed, jet contrails are a government experiment to control your mind into believing a plane crashed into the pentagon on 9/11...

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Once again, it seems that you didn't actualy bother READ.
You can watch youtube, can't you? Ok, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhMUtzOxjJY

now watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrwToR2RpEI

Still think bush actualy won the elctions?

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StrongRad doesn't bother to read those because one never knows how reliable Internet sites can be.

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Sarge, you seem unable to read, too.. POSSIBLE!
POSSIBLE doesn't mean HAPPENED WITHOUT A DOUBT.

Sorry, conspiracy theories do not convince me.

Just because someone says it was possible doesn't mean it did happen. Bush won because he got more votes.

If either side really suspected fraud, why didn't they have the source code examined? I think people place too much emphasis on exit polls.

Sorry... You're just not going to convince me. The more you push this whole "Bush Cheated!!" thing, the more you are becoming to anti-Bush people (with legitimate reasons why they are against him) what Ann Coulter is to conservatives...

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So let me get this straight, StongRad. You've seen how easy it was to rig the vote, and you've seen testimony regarding how it was done and who ordered it. But you still think that it was all done fairly and nobody cheated. I suppose you won't believe it untill you see it on the news, for as you pointed out, the internet is inherently unreliable.
:rolls eyes:

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