I do think Bush is far too much of a figure head for something which runs deeper.

But you have to look at it this way; the 90s were a very progressive time. We had our troubles and little wars, but ultimately there was peace and tolerance behind this.

Now, the 00's, George Bush is elected. Somehow, all the religious bigotry and uber-conservatism rears it's ugly head even stronger than before.

It's hard not to make a link.

Yep, it's pretty easy when you hate conservatives and everything they even think about standing for...

Every single post you make after mine is a complete exagerration and twisting of my words. I'm extremely tired of you. Did you even think before posting that? It's incredibly out of place, and if it was intended, it's just plain stupid.

How is it twisting you in any way? You've said almost those exact words..

Now, the 00's, George Bush is elected. Somehow, all the religious bigotry and uber-conservatism rears it's ugly head even stronger than before.

I think Australians have the same problem with John Howard. He's doing everything wrong, but he's only just a bad PM. Not the Devil.

He's not a bad PM.
He's just the PM. Making fun of them is what they're for!

I do think Bush is far too much of a figure head for something which runs deeper.

But you have to look at it this way; the 90s were a very progressive time. We had our troubles and little wars, but ultimately there was peace and tolerance behind this.

Now, the 00's, George Bush is elected. Somehow, all the religious bigotry and uber-conservatism rears it's ugly head even stronger than before.

It's hard not to make a link.

I don't think they did that bad a job on Afghanistan, but that remains to be seen.

"Our troubles and little wars"? "Peace and tolerence"? You seem to have a unique gift to either exaggerate situations grossly or minimise them grossly - depending on whether they effect you personally. Ask the Rwandan Tutis whether the '90s were peaceful, tolerant times for them - and, more importantly, whether they had the West to thank for this "peace and tolerence". Ask the Israelis and Palestinians what the 90s brought by way of "peace and tolerance". Ask the Bosnian orphans and widows if they consider the Kosovo War to be a "little war" - or the Haitians, or Chechnyans. Seriously - the world is not black-and-white, you know.

On subject: it's probably likely that Bush will be know for his failures by future generations. Maybe exaggeration will be a part cause for this, but he and his administration has made some HUGE errors of judgment that you can't get away from. Starting with the Kyoto Agreement, the failure of intelligent surrounding Sept 11, and crashing into the Iraq conflict. I don't think they did that bad a job on Afghanistan, but that remains to be seen.

Moving forward? Did you even READ her post?

Ask the Afghani men, women, and children that aren't under strict Taliban rule anymore how they feel about the "progress" of the 90's versus the progress since 2000..
Ask the Iraqis that don't have to worry about dying for criticizing their government anymore how they feel?
See how they feel.
There's just as much good as there is bad..

Don't you think its pointless to discuss this though? You're stuck with him for 3 years.

And honestly, he isn't all that bad. Haven't heard a lot from him lately, aside from what was presented as that Katrina blunder (but which I think is just bull....he did what he could). I'm Canadian though, so what do I know.

Quite a lot, apparently.
That whole Katrina thing was just a cascade of errors. The administration was at fault (only in the sense that they didn't fix FEMA which is a system full of faults, but that's a WHOLE other topic that I don't have time to get into), but, given the situation and the unprecedented devastation, they didn't do too bad.
I've heard people say Bush should have built the levees in New Orleans stronger. Yes, he should have. So should Clinton, Bush Sr. Regan, Carter, Ford, Nixon... or, maybe, just maybe they shouldn't have built a city 20 feet below sea level.

Either way, though, I knew he was going to get blamed. He always does. What shocked me was how quick people were basically saying that, if he'd ratified the Kyoto treaty, this hurricane season would never have happened. There are so many problems with that, I don't know where to begin. It's another one of those things I don't have time to go into.

Kyoto should have been implemented, but there is no way in hell it would have prevented this years hurricane season. I love how far some people will go to find a scapegoat.