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Our goventment rulers are corrupt so therefore our government sucks. I'm moving to Canada

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Wow, It's been like three or 4 years since I've last been here

Wow.... Care to elaborate?

Yah, bush is a moron, Chaney is evil and 75 percent of the people high up in the government are in PNAC.

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Wow, It's been like three or 4 years since I've last been here

Umm... On what are you basing this? I agree they aren't good but if you're going to make a compelling argument you need to add some explanation.

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okay just do a google search for Plan for the new american century.

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Wow, It's been like three or 4 years since I've last been here

I agree. Lon Chaney is one of the worst men ever to live.

Jeeze. If you're going to criticize the government, at least GET THEIR NAMES RIGHT.

This is the type of pseudo politics I wish to free myself of. Also, if there's one thing that online message boards teach you really fast, it's not to make sweeping generalizations in arguments.

What are your criteria for a "corrupt governemt"? What rulers? What governemnts of the world are the antithesis of your standards for corruption; and, if Canadian government shares any resemblence in policy to US government, is Canada corrupt?

I went to that New American Century site, but I'm not gonna read it; I don't wanna waste my time. I'll stick to hard facts.

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OMG BEES DOT COM is all up in the hizzy, fools!

the Canadian government is about to collapse, actually. the Prime Minister is being forced to call an election soon because the Liberals have lost the support of the other parties in their minority coalition. this has been caused in no small part by the findings of the Gomery commission, investigating fraud and misappropriation of funds, hundreds of millions of dollars, from the previous Liberal government.

so there's no lack of corruption and stupidity on the northern side of the border either, i'm afraid.

Good, move already then.

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Well, honestly, if it wern't for those NDP nut jobs prying at any possible hole in the government, we'd be better off. It's like they think that since they're going down, might as well bring the rest of the government with 'em. I guess this argument doesn't make sense, but I kind of just needed to get out some frustration.

Toastpaint.

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you're not going to find me defending the federal NDP, but you won't find me defending any of the other parties either. they're all useless and none of them represent my beliefs, so all of this nonsense currently going on doesn't really interest me much. i was just saying, we're far from free of corruption around here.

All government sucks. And so does anarchy.

In a way, I agree with you. Basically, all governments have their flaws, but anarchy's seriously flawed as well. I think that democracy is probably the closest thing to a "perfect" government, but it's flawed too. I wouldn't go so far as saying that all government sucks, though.

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agree'd, but if one is to call our government sucky they have to put a well constructed reason why, I dont find the government sucky, yes it does make Me angry time to time but I dont consider it to be one of the worst.

Exactly. The fact that the government is currently headed by corrupt, oil-hoarding, cheating politicians does not mean that the actual system of government doesn't work. We just need to ensure fairness.

Which is why we need to eliminate the electoral college. If we had done that maybe 20 years ago, we wouldn't be in this mess, because there would not have been any way to cheat Gore out of the election in 2000. But I digress.

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beep beep I'm a Jeep

Winston Churchill said that democracy was the worst form of government, except for all the other ones.

I think the electoral college does little to ensure fairness. Because we almost never know how good a presidential candidate would actually be in office, the electoral college has as much chance of picking the right candidate as the wrong one.

You know what's unfair about the election process, though? Political parties. Having political parties really screws things up. Many people just vote on their favorite party without much regard for the candidate. Oh, of course they'll think their candidate is better than the other guy, but they base that on the party affiliation. And as for the politicians in those parties... people vote by party lines at completely inappropriate times... like when you're impeaching the President. Deciding whether or not to convict the President of a crime is not the time to score a victory for your party!! When you have stuff like that happening, there's little wonder that a lot of government is corrupt.

- Kef

Are you in my brain? I entirely agree with all of that.

Shippinator's also got her point, and I agree with most of that.

The Canada thing reminds of when about a month ago my stepfather was searching on the internet for a house in Canada because he's afraid Hilary Clinton will get elected in 2008.

dude, in Canada, ALL THE CANDIDATES ARE HILARY CLINTON.

also: Hilary has no chance in '08. the Democrats have destroyed themselves for AT LEAST another decade. McCain and/or Giuliani all the way.

Never said that I thought she would get elected, but my stepdad's afraid she will... for some... odd reason.

Wel actually will not be moving to Canada to escape the bad government, but maybe New Zeland.

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Wow, It's been like three or 4 years since I've last been here

Like the Republicans are doing any better right now. When you have the House majority, Tom Delay, indicted on money laundering charges, the Senate Majority leader, Bill Frist, being investigated for insider trading, and let's nor forget Karl Rove and Scooter Libby. Libby has already been indicted for 1 count of obstruction of justice, 2 counts of perjury, and 2 counts of making false statements, and I think Rove is not far behind. They have also had the Harriet Miers spiel. Think is all coming with Midterm Elections less than a year away, and most of this is going to carry over to next year, so we might be in for a power shift next year.

As for your two candidates, I don't think McCain might not run in '08 simply because of his age, he is pushing 70 and by the time of the Republican Convention in '08 he will be 72. As for Giuliani, if Hilary runs, don't expect Rudy to, he and Hilary are good friends and he doesn't want to run against a friend. Don't get me wrong, if either one of them did run I would vote for them without question.

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Cobalt - Why are you convinced the Democrats have destroyed themselves?

i think they've failed to capitalize on the many mistakes the Republicans have made -- the Republicans have taken hits, for sure, but it hasn't translated into increased support for the Democrats. and also, they've failed to create viable options for nominations; nobody who isn't a Democrat could find a person they could get behind on the Democratic side. i think it'll take a while before a personality arises who has both the experience and the charisma and name recognition to be viable as a Democratic candidate with a hope of actually winning.

Barack Obama in 2016, MAYBE. failing that, i don't see anyone else with a chance.

The Presdential race doesn't start until fall of '07 so we have a little while. The possible candidates for both parties will announce their intentions during the summer of '07.

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The trouble with Canadian politics is voter apathy. The Liberals will get voted back in, no doubt. It will be a minority government, with NDP support. People just don't know, and they don't care. Educate yourselves people, and make rational choices. Same goes for the US. If you hate it so much, do something about it. Don't sit around complaining, vote!

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-Krista

but voter apathy is a symptom of the lack of choice. the thing is, i have educated myself and i've decided that the rational choice is NOT to vote. who would i vote for? none of the parties represent my beliefs, and given how our system is non-proportional, but goes by electoral districts instead, voting for any party your neighbours aren't voting for is the same thing as not voting at all. if there were someone running outside my riding who i wanted to vote for, i would have to MOVE in order to vote for him/her. the system sucks, and that breeds frustration and apathy. i'm satisfied with a Liberal minority government at this point, but i don't want to feel even 1/350 millionth part responsible for any of those people getting into power. as soon as there's proportional representation, or a federal party that doesn't make me want to puke, i'll be first in line to vote.

See, I can respect that kind of apathy. At least you have a logical and educated arguement. Most people are just too lazy/stupid to try to understand. I agree, the political parties right now don't really represent my thoughts. I'm a Red Tory, fiscally conservative and socially progressive. Parties like that went out of style in the 50s. Something major needs to happen, to change the way things are going in Canada right now. It's a bloody mess. The constitution is a piece of junk, that badly needs to be re-written, but never will be. Our country is way to regional to ever agree to anything. To those that wanted to move to Canada: Don't. It's just as messed up, only in a less right wing way.

I vote though, because women worked too hard to get me this right. And lets face it.....I'd rather die than see Steven Harper run the country.

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-Krista

thanks. yeah, you're right. but i also think that if we had a different sort of electoral system, voter apathy would be dramatically reduced.



if there were a party that had the social/environmental policies of the NDP, and the foreign policies of the Conservatives, i would vote for them. but there's no such party. so i wait.



ha. yeah, he's a Bad word.

What? I don't mean to demean your personal experiences, but most of the people that have moved to Canada that I know(many being transgender) have found it pretty good. I know a lot of people that have always lived there and chose it over america any day.

If you're a minority, you're probably better off in Canada by a long shot. I've heard all this stuff about Canada falling apart - but nobody's provided me with anything really solid to show this.

I think it's just people being ticked of they don't live in the perfect country. There never will be. That's no excuse for the rampant discrimination and corruption in the U.S., however.