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I'd rather be with the hippes...

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I don't get how right wingers like Lahi can act like they're the good guys fighting against bad guys.

Sure, there's one or two things like abortion that might leave some ground for fighting against... but on just about every other count, Liberalism is about giving people rights they need to function as a normal healthy human being, and Conservatism is about keeping those rights from them.

I don't know many Conservative human rights activists, or homophobic liberals. They probably exist, but they're almost definitely rare.

Dennis Moore is better than Michael Moore in my opinion.

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Patrick Moore plays the Xylophone, of course.

And more the power to him.

In my experience, I've noticed that every social wrong can be attributed to the right wing. Racism, sexism, homophobia.... pretty much every hate group out there is considered on the right. I've never seen a liberal actually be racist, sexist or homophobic.

The idea of conservatism is to keep things on par to one idea and not change it. Their idea is based towards and sometimes is exactly like the 1950's "women know their place, men are men, gays are evil and so are commies, pre-civil rights, Christianity is the only religion" type of standing. Which... all of those views are outdated and moronic.

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I'd love to see the conservative response to this.

The Pre-Civil rights/Jim Crowe kind of thing has faded for the most part... but I've known plenty of racist conservatives.


Well, I was raised in a very conservative household (their voting record goes as standing since my birth; Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush) so I know what I'm talking about.

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I tried, but I was just laughing too hard. Pallor is such an open-minded individual...

How did you know that I don't allow my girlfriend to speak, that I support muder of gay people and black people and think that anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus should be kicked out of the country?

So, Pallor, you grew up in a "conservative" household, so you think you know all conservatives.. That cracks me up. That's the logical equivalent of me saying "all gay people are cokeheads" after I met my friend Brandon, because he happened to be a cokehead.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Did I say i knew all conservatives? No, but this is what I see whenever they have fox news on... But I have been physically beaten by conservatives at school a few years back.

There is a difference between fiscal conservatives. Fiscal conservatives are okay people. They have some good logic to back up a lot of what they agree with, but there are things I disagree with them on.

And social conservatives. I've known many social conservatives to actually use the N-word and call me a (Pardon my wording) Bundle of sticks, even though I'm not gay.

Not all conservatives are bad, just I don't understand what justifies a lot of the traditionalist ideas that have the propensity to deny the inalienable rights of some peoples who are just as much citizens of this nation as they are.



Ann Coulter has said this... almost verbatim.

I am friends with conservatives... but some of the "conservatives" I'm friends with are more towards center.



That wasn't what I meant. A lot of the traditionalist american ideas is "a woman's place is in the kitchen." I've known plenty of conservatives to say this.

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That's not answering the question. How can conservatives, in general, be painted as the good guys, or even equal, to liberals, if what Deathlypalor said about conservatives holds true, which it seems to?

We said we'd like to see a conservative deal with it. Not sidestep the issue and set up another strawman.

Seriously, please don't form an opinion of conservatives based on Fox News..
Did the "conservatives" that beat you up do it because they were conservatives? No.. Probably because they were a-holes...

I don't think any conservaitve would want to deny someone an inalienable right, as that is impossible. That's what inalienable means. That is cannot be taken away.

If you mean marriage, I don't think it's actually a right. I don't think ANYONE in this country has some "right" to marriage, as it is just a social construct. With that said, I don't really have a problem with anyone getting married. If you love someone, you love them.

People that call you gay or make fun of you or whatever, don't do it because they are conservatives, they do it because they're retarded. Simple enough. The liberal kids at my high school acted the same way.


She says a lot of things. People with half a brain ignore her. She's what Carlos Mencia would call a "de de de".. That's about the nicest thing I can say about her here without getting kicked out for my language.

I don't believe a woman's place is in the kitchen (unless she wants to be there, but, then again, I can cook ) . None of the conservatives I know believe that. Women, in this country should have all of the rights AND responsibilities of men.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

You still haven't challenged the statement.

"In my experience, I've noticed that every social wrong can be attributed to the right wing. Racism, sexism, homophobia.... pretty much every hate group out there is considered on the right. I've never seen a liberal actually be racist, sexist or homophobic. "

Still waiting...

Most of your constituents would disagree with you there. Most conservatives oppose gay marriage. I don't bother debating with them because they don't present an ideal that can be backed with anything other than the Bible.



Then how come they still make less than men and unable to get some jobs? Kind of throws out the idea of equal opportunity employment.



She is a de de de... But how come she has such a massive conservative fanbase?



That's highschool. I'm talking other than that.



Marriage is a cultural construct. And we have all sorts of people in our culture, and they should all have the right to marriage. Plus, marriage in this country actually constitutes certain financial ramnifications, such as the eligibility for tax cuts when you adopt and being able to visit your partner in the hospital. Those are rights...

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You can't be for homosexuals and against homosexual marriage. By saying they are not entitled to marriage you are saying their love is somehow inferior and it does not deserve the same recognition as straight love, and that(in more extreme cases) should be denied all benefits of a legal long term relationship.

This kind of generalization is dumb, unintelligent, and not really worth replying to. Sexists, racists, and homophobes exist everywhere, in every political party, every "color" of state, and amoung every walk of life. It would be no different if I stated that all people that are lazy, loud-mouthed, sex crazed, and liars were from the left. But since you asked, here goes:

Take a peek back at the politcal structure of the US around the time of the civil war. It was the republicans (like Honest Abe himself) that were against, amoung many things, slavery. The strong democrat base was in, you guessed it, the south.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

(emphasis mine)

Also might be worth checking out the article on the only president of the Confederate USA (who also happened to be a democrat)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Davis

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This is extremely frustrating. Far more conservatives are sexists, racists, and homophobes than liberals, to the extent that very few liberals are at all. These things have gone hand in hand with conservatism for quite some time now.

You're trying to set up a red herring, and I'm extremely ticked off now. It's not dealing with the issue at hand and I'm sick of all this side stepping.



What does this have to do with modern america?

Rosalie, you're being just as bad as the people who you attack by making similar large generalizations of people based on the actions of a few or for no reason at all.

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But that's not what's going on at all. The majority of bigots are conservatives. That's not to say that all conservatives are bigots, but it's true, and you relaly can't deny it.

I could search through the news and pull out a thousand different stories concerning the topics above. I am willing to stake money that the majority of them have absolutely nothing to do with a person's political view. The point I was trying to make before is you were comparing apples to oranges.



Two problems here. First off, you didn't say anything (ANYTHING) about the example being modern. You just stated that most racists, etc, were conservative, I provided a counter-example. Second, you didn't say anything about it being americans only. You can't expect me to participate in a debate where the rules are changing.

So you want a modern example, Saddam Hussein.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
A member of the Baath Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%27ath_Party


(emphasis mine)

He's been pretty sexist, racist, and I won't even guess at his views on homosexuality. Is that modern enough for you?

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That's probably the most bigoted thing I have read all night.

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Oh for Funk's sake, no it isn't. It's true. Most bigots ARE also conservatives. Stop trying to sidestep what I'm saying. I know it's a bit un-P.C. of me to say that, but I'm sick of it.

MOST BIGOTS ARE CONSERVATIVE.

This does not mean I am calling you bigot. It means I am stating that bigots normally fall under the same political category as you. Because of the "Hitler card" fallacy it doesn't automatically mean you're wrong, but as long as you run from it, you can't be taken seriously.

Just a note, I do consider myself to be a conservative. However, I am by no means a republican. (People seem to mix the two up)

But in response to your post, just how do you intend to prove what you are saying. Just waving your hand and saying the magic words doesn't cut it. If you are going to accuse all bigots of being conservative, I would like to at least see a shred of evidence.

How about a response to my other post (of a liberal who is bigoted, something most people would consider to be a counter to whatever proof you may have about all bigots being conservative)

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Ok, seriously...I bet I could go down to the waterfront and find atleast 100 conservatives who are not bigots. That is probably one of the craziest accusations ever made in a serious tone.

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That's not what she's saying.

Go down to the waterfront and find 100 bigots who aren't conservative.

At anyrate, it is late and I am retiring for the night. It doesn't seem that either of us (rose) is going to yield. You have it in your head that most bigots are conservative, and I see that statement as complete flamebait and entirely unfounded. I may come back to this debate, but it is unlikely.

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Since when was this about bigots anyways? I think I'm feeling a toastpaint.

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bingo! and g'nite

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ok... TOAST PAINT!

This thread is about Michael Moore.

Given the stink he raised with Bowling For Columbine, and F 9/11, I'm guessing that nobody here can give an honest opinion of his first 2 movies (mainly because a lot of people hadn't even heard of them until Bowling, maybe even F 9/11).. My guess is that the liberals love them (because they think he does no wrong) and that the conservatives hate them (because they think he can do no right). While I tend to lean more towards the latter than the former, I got to see his first film back when Americans were allowed to take the middle ground.

I saw Roger and Me back in 98, and I must say that, while I agree with free enterprise, (meaning that business owners can do whatever they want with their businesses), he made some good points in the film. Knowing some of the exaggerations he made in F 9/11, I am a little more skeptical of them. Either way, he made 2 good movies, then, somehow, he lost his way.

He should make a film attacking the college book industry.. Any system that sells me a book for $200, then buys it back from me for $30, and turns around and sells it for $150 next semester can't be legal.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

I don't think that Michael Moore is capable of infallability, and I'm incredibly liberal. It's just that, as I said, he is taking one point that is relevant and beating it like a dead horse. That is one massive flaw I saw out of F 9/11.



No kidding! I want to see how they do their markup... where does all of that money go, too?

I sold the books I no longer needed (purchase value of 30 bucks for two health books, and 35 for a lit book, all three paperback... these were the cheapest textbooks I've ever seen) back this term and I was only able to buy lunch and two packs of smokes! That was due to the fact I didn't open one of them (didn't even remove the cellophane) and it was in perfect condition, and they still didn't give me the full value back!

And those books I had to keep I spent over 300 dollars on... I'm keeping them and selling them to someone at a much lower resell price than what you can get at the bookstore once I'm done with them. I think students should do that anyways because you don't get -CENSOR'd- when you sell them back.

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... that doesn't challenge my claim in any shape or form. How about you try to find 100 bigots who are not conservative?



Oh, FFS, I don't have to prove it. You damn well know it. Nearly every bigot I've met online has been conservative, and how often do you hear about liberal bigots? And how often about conservative bigots?

It's hardly something that needs to be proved when it's all around you. You just refuse to accept it so you'll go to any lengths to not have to deal with it.

Didn't I just say that?



Ok Rose, I suppose people should have just accepted that the world was flat. It sure appeared that way, right? I am not just going to sit back and accept what you say simply because you say it is so. I live in a world of math and logic (which has absolutely nothing to do with my religion, politics, sexual preference, racial preferences, etc, etc, etc). I can't just accept something as "truth" without some sort of proof. Anything.

As for hearing about the different bigots, to be completely honest, I don't usually hear anything about their political affiliation. So, either I am not paying attention to the entire story (every single time), or it hasn't been an issue in most of the stories.

Without trying to change the direction of the argument, I don't understand why you are so bent on bringing conservatives down. What has happened in your life to make you so intolerant of other's beliefs? Can't you see that by refusing to accept anything that anyone who bears a remote resemblance to anything but liberal, you are yourself being a bigot?

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