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That's exactly what he's wondering. It doesn't make sense for them to go to a Lutheran school if they are homosexual, something the school believes is morally wrong. Keep in mind I'm not defending what the school did. I'm just saying that it's absurd for the girls to go there in the first place, just like it's absurd for non-Christians to go there. I don't know much about this school, but most Christian schools I know of teach a lot of Christianity. Why would a non-Christian go to a school that teaches Christianity?

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It's certainly unfair, and it's a backwards-trending ideology.

But the school, being a private school, as several others have mentioned, can enforce its own set of rules on its students. Doesn't make it right, but unless the government takes over the school - which it can't, being that it's a religious school, and the government can't get involved in religious matters, except when God tells the president to invade a country, of course - nothing can be done without infringing on the rights of all private organizations to admit or hire those who they see fit to hire or admit. Disney, for example, doesn't hire men with beards.

It'd be better if the rules the school enforced were not so discriminatory, but there's nothing to be done about it just now, except wait for everyone to come to their senses.

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Maybe they weren't lesbians when they started going there. Maybe they still aren't lesbians, but admitted to it under extreme pressure from the principal.

Doesn't matter, though. It does seem weird for non-Christian people to go to that school, though.

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Ex, the school didn't know that the girls were lesbians when they first came to that school.

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I know that, I'm just confused as to their reasons for going there. And it is very possible that they're not lesbian at all or that , either way I still think it was wrong for the school to kick them out and interrogate them at all. If you want to kick people out for sinning, then no one should go to the school, because everyone is a sinner. Too many people act like certain sins are so much worse than other sins, but in God's eyes, all sin is equally apalling.

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Simple, their parents made them.

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Not exactly. Public schools are financed almost exclusively by American tax dollars.

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... I don't see how that makes a difference.

The idea is that if you can stop discrimination in one, why not the other? No amazing great principles of free speech in the sky are being hurt by not letting public schools discriminate. Can you provide a reason why imposing this rule on Private Schools would be really any different? Laws are laws, it shouldn't matter where the money is.

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The idea is all of America is funding the public schools through tax money, and the majority of america would disagree with this type of discrimination. But this private school is ONLY being funded by the Lutherans who go there (they have to pay all the extra costs), and they believe gay people shouldn't be allowed in the school. So yeah, you'd be interrupting freedom of religion.

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Easy. Private schools are just that, private. The people that run those schools should be allowed to do as they please, within the law. The laws say that no publicly funded organization can discriminate, but they say nothing about private schools.
I DO think it's wrong for someone's sexuality to be a reason for kicking them out of a school, but, at the same time, I also am a huge fan of the government butting out of private citizens and their private matters. This is one of those "private matters". If there were some sort of law passed that would force this school to take them back, I would, most certainly, lose respect for this school if they didn't force the taxpayers to send some coin their way. If the government is gonna have a say in the way they do things, they ought to fund the school, as well.

A religious school is protected from the government by the "Church and State Seperation" thing that people are always screaming about. It works both ways, you know.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

That still doesn't answer my question. If the state were to intervene saying that privately owned "businesses" could not discriminate in such and such a manner, how would that have a negative effect for anyone?

They already have to follow some laws. Why not that one?

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I'm assuming that the school is a religious school and that their objection to the girls is a religious based one. Telling them that they had to re-admit them would be skating awfully close to "church and state".

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

But religion shouldn't be allowed to discriminate as a business practice. Since nearly all discrimination against homosexuals comes from abuse of religion, how exactly are you taking any measures at all against homophobia? You aren't. Religion is an excuse. Plenty of Christians are not homophobes.

If anything, it's the opposite of church and state as it's the ties between church and state that stop anything like this from being passed.

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But this is a religious school. Saying religion isn't allowed to make decisions in a religious school is... yeah.

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Yes, all the WRONG ones. If you can't be serious in this.... um.... forum area, then please leave.

I personally think this sucks. But I'm pretty sure it's legal.

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So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain. Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell?

We know for sure it's legal right now. BTW, who is John the answer boy?

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Clan's completely irrelevant comment pertains to a minor character from-


Aw, screw it. Wikipedia knows.

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So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain. Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell?

Umm... that isn't the wikipedia, is it?

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No, Stu. That's Johnny the Answer Boy.
And lesbians shouldn't be kicked out of school UNLESS they molested a fellow student or 5.

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I think that applies to just about everyone. And just because they're a lesbian doesn't mean they're some kind of sex crazed lunatic.

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I'm glad you said this... it's true.

People will just have to get used to the fact that everyone is different...

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Oh no... what will become of our society??!
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Get the CENSOR'd over it... people have put up with the nonsense of homophobia for far too long. They will just have to get over their insecurities and realize that not everyone is going to be straight. Everyone is different, and if you have a problem with diversity, then you are pitiful. You have a right to be a moron on your own time... and I'm not going to take that away... just do it on your own time. Because if you got your way, people would lose their rights.



Don't you mean "and nobody should" be kicked out...etc... As Kiss said, homosexuals aren't sex crazed.

In fact... most molestation cases are done by middle aged heterosexual males.

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Uh, yeah. Not only was half of that post completely useless, the other half was misinformed/incorrect. Like Mr. Kiss and and DP said, lesbians, or any gay for that matter, aren't more prone to sex crimes or anything like that. They simply have a different orientation.

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XD at this.

Him...I wonder if I will get kicked out of my public school if I say, wear a satanic symbol. Hm...I gotta try that.

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If you really did try, I'm pretty sure they couldn't do anything.

They probably could... Satanic things are still religious in nature, and we can't have religion in public schools..

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

People should be allowed to "wear their religion" as long as it's not absolutely huge.

It also depends on the symbol. I wear an Ankh; but that could mean anything from I'm an ancient egyptian to I read too many Sandman comics. Pentacles can even be quite ambigious.

Symbols like crosses aren't very ambigious and send a pretty definite message. But as long as you don't have ridiculous 5' long works of tack, people should be allowed to express their opinions about their person.

I don't think anyone has a right to tell anyone else how they should look unless it genuinely makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

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I wish that applied to stretch pants sometimes...

Sorry, sorry,

Yeah, it can mean "I'm a Wiccan," "I'm a neo-pagan of some sort," "I think this is a Satanic symbol and I wear it in a misguided attempt to shock the normals," "Man, I freakin' LOVE Slayer," or maybe even "this is a pretty star, why is everyone looking at it funny?"



Not necessarily. For a long time, I wore a Celtic cross, and it stayed with me when I went from Christian to agnostic and agnostic to eclectic pagan. Sometimes people wear things because they like how they look. If the bottom arm didn't break off it'd probably still be around my neck.



Right, I think this is the point. Sometimes I wondered in high school why my Wiccan friends didn't wear, say, a Triple Goddess sign, instead of the rather attention-grabbing and notorious pentagram.

I knew a Pagan who wore a celtic cross. There are non-christians who wear crosses as a fashion statement, but large cheesy ones make me feel uncomfortable.

I don't wear a pentacle as I think they're overused. I wear an Ankh, which is also overused, but not in the same "Look at me I'm a pagan" sense.

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On first reading, I thought that said "electric pagan"...

I don't really see religious symbols as a problem. If course, you know one of those "I'm an atheist and since you're not, you're obviously trying to force religion down my throat and oppress me" types would sue and ruin it for everyone.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Yeah, this sucks. I personally don't think that people should be expelled from school or something just because of their sexual orientation. However, I understand that because this is a private school, it is completely within the school's rights to do it, no matter how unfair it may seem. Keep in mind that other unfair things (segregation, just to name one) was judged as legal in the past, and other unfair things are still legal today.

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