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A private school should have the right to set standards and expect the kids to live by them. If they choose not to abide by the standards, why should they not be expelled?

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They were expelled just for suspicion, and for feeling, which isn't a "choice", which demonstrates the sheer, unforgivable bigotry of that principal.

"Being gay" is nothing to do with a "Standard" any more than "Being black" does. I don't beleive a private enterprise should have the right to discriminate in that fashion.

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Well, whether or not it's legal for this school to kick those girls out, it just appauls me that they would do that. I have no clue as to why a school would expell someone from a school just because of their sexual orientation. It's prejudice and sickening. Now, I realize that this is a religious school, and that homosexuality is against their religion, but I don't see why they should expell someone and get in the way of their learning experience just because they don't follow certain aspects of that religion. And at the end of that story, it says that their are some non-Lutherans at that school, so why would they admit people who don't follow their religion at all, and yet expell someone who doesn't follow a specific rule of the religion? I find that quite idiotic, in my opinion.

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It may have been a bigoted decision, but it may not have been either. I think that its funny that you think you have recieved enough info from a small news article to make a judgement like that. I would think that if the whole story was given, it might not be as innocent as it looks.

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Plus, giving private schools the right to discriminate lets them get away with a lot of hurtful behaviour that could result in lawsuits... such as this, for instance. They could well be sued since their claims werent' backed.

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You are sure knowledgeable about the legality of the situation for a teenager. A private institution should have the right to require a certain standard of living if they choose, this is not an infringement of rights.

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That's sad, too..

What part of PRIVATE SCHOOL don't people understand?

Sure, kicking someone out for being gay is probably wrong, but Private School means just that, private. They can do whatever they want.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Uh, it's not a case of what they CAN do, but what they SHOULD be able to do.

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Homosexuality has NOTHING to do with "Standard of living", it is ABSOSULTELY no different from disallowing someone based on their race and they should not be allowed to get away with it.

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Forcing the school to take students with lifestyles they disagree with would be forcing them to go against their first amendmant right to freedom of religion..

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No it's not, not at all. Nobody's stopping them from practicing their religion, only discrimination against others.

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Rosalie, homosexuality is not equivalent to race, it is a choice. Your opinoin is different I know, but it is just your opinion, just as it is my opinion that it is a choice. You may not like it, but it is a difference of opinion, not a difference in fact.

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No, actually, absolutely nothing in scientific research has suggested it's a choice, and just about everything has suggested otherwise. You can be entiteld to your opinion that it's wrong, but using it against others in a legal manner is insane.

For a start, I can most definitely say that I never chose to be transsexual, or bisexual. You'd do well to listen to the people actually involved instead of making baseless claims reasoned out of thin air.

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You're rediculous. There is homosexuality is a behavior, thus, it is a choice.

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You say discrimination, I say practicing beliefs..

There is a seperation of church and state, supposedly...

I'm not arguing that it isn't wrong.. I feel it is! However, I also feel that if people want this so-called "seperation of Church and State", it should work both ways..

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Homosexuality is not a behavior, it is an attraction.

Did you choose who you were attracted to? Because I certainly don't remember making that choice.

It's an orientation, not a choice. Any behaviour that comes from it is only naturally present.



As I pointed out earlier, lack of seperation between church and state is exactly why the government would never consider infringing on this. Yes, it should work both ways.

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Yes, this school follows the government laws, but it also follows laws of the Lutheran Church. If the government interferes with the Lutheran Church, it's not really seperation of church and state.

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No, you misunderstand seperation of church and state. IT doesn't mean they "both keep to themselves", it means that the governemnt has no religious bias. Being against discrimination isn't a religious bias.
The state should be allowed to intervene in religious behaviour that proves harmful to other people.

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A private school is a business. Is it now unlawful for a business to deny service to people at its own discretion?

Note: The question is not unethical but unlawful.

So private schools should not be allowed to practice religious beliefs if they are religious schools? That would suck.

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It doesn't say "unless the practices of that religion are discriminatory".

I don't agree with what they're doing, but think they have a right to do it. The constitution seems to agree.

Game. Set. Match.

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Homeschool pretty much summed up my beliefs.

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What on earth!? No, they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate(based on things like sexuality and race, obviously, before someone says "What if they're doing really bad in school!"), just as public schools are not meant to be allowed.



No, unfortunately. If someone kills someone in the name of religion, it's still illegal. If someone conducts highly discriminatory business practises in a harmful manner, that should be illegal too, or at least considered shady business.

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Discrimination in hiring and discrimination in who you sell to are two entirely different beasts. The former is worlds of illegal, the latter is a right of every business owner.

Kicking someone out of school doesn't equal killing someone..

There is a HUGE difference..

Also, schools aren't businesses...

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But one is acted on because it's against the law. Why shouldn't the other? One being worse than the other doesn't cut it; it still shows that if the need arises, you can interfere in "religious" behaviour, such as human sacrifice.

So now that we've cleared that up, why not discrimination?

Cases of blatant discrimination in any forum that make no logical sense should be go under the hammer.

The Schools are conducting a business, technically. They are taking tuiton and offering a "service". Though with schools you have even more of a case than with businesses, because it's also a community in a sense.

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Personally, I think the school did the girls a favor.. I mean, why keep them there and constantly tell them they're wrong? Seems to me that it's highly illogical to stay somewhere that constantly frustrates you and tells you you're wrong..

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Are you ignoring my posts? Discrimination in HIRING is illegal, NOT what you are talking about.

Speaking from a religious viewpoint, what the school did is still messed up. Even if they believe homosexuality is a sin, there are plenty of other things that are sins as well. Things such as having sexual thoughts about someone, coveting, lying, and dishonoring your parents. Is the school going to kick people out for those things, too? The fact is, everyone has sinned. It seems to me that the school should be kicking out all the students, as well as firing every staff member.

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