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Why is everyone so self-righteous on this issue?

"The school SHOULD have done this...."

"Yeah! And they SHOULD have done this, too!"

Remember the whole point here is that they are a PRIVATE institution, and as such, are allowed to do many things you don't think they should.

Get off your high horses, y'all.

Did I say it was illegal? No, I said that in extreme cases such as this, it SHOULD be, but apparently you're not paying much attention. I don't care much for current laws, I care for what the laws should be.

Exhibit A also raises a very good point - first off they're enforcing the idea that homosexuality IS a sin which less and less Christians believe, and then they're ignorign the fact, that technically speaking, everyone has broken their rules on "some" level in an equal or worse amount. It's not really much to do with religion; it's just the principal using religion as a shield to make a bigotted decision. Which is exactly why religious institutions shouldn't be "untouchable".

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Wow. So you don't respect the laws of the land? If you were in Iran, would you actively seek to change the laws there regarding women's rights? That's be awfully brave of you.

Some of us actually care about making the world a better place for people that aren't typical straight caucasian males.

I don't give a crap what they're allowed to do. Kicking someone out of their school, private or no, for being gay just reeks of all kinds of bad and should be illegal.

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Wow, nice combination of racism and sexism. Not to mention you bringing up sexual preference. But as long as we're being bigoted, most lesbians I know are angry at white heterosexual males for no good reason. I've never been able to figure it out... maybe you can explain?

I don't live in America, nor do I believe many of America's current values to be anything but a complete and utter corruption of the ideals it was founded on.

I don't respect laws because they are laws.

I have no idea what I would do if I was in Iran. Since I'm a transsexual, technically speaking, I could be either gender in Iran; so if there is any shred of activism in Iran, I'd have to do it as a male.
I don't think that throwing in an example of a much worse country helps anything. Just because there are worse countries, americans have no right to whine? That's exactly the attitude that causes nothing to ever change. Both Canada and most of Europe have evolved socially above the U.S. if nothing else, thanks to the recent backlash of fundamentalism in the U.S.

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Don't... Just don't.
Falling to someone else's level just makes you look more wrong. Take the high road..

Rose, when are you going to learn that there are people on this planet who disagree with you and have every right to do so.

I don't agree with what they're doing either, but I will be the first to call the ACLU when the government intereferes with a private religious school, a CLEAR violation of the seperation of Church and State..

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

This doesn't have anything to do with "agreeing" and "Disagreeing" that your kind gives so much heed to; this isnt' about "agreement", it's discrimination.

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Discrimination IS wrong, but, the first amendmant, you know, that "Church and State" thing, says that they have a right to do this, even if it's wrong.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

No it doesn't. Where are you even getting this from? The first ammendment, at least from what you posted;



Stopping them from kicking people out of school is nothing to do with "freedom of speech". Excercise of religion doesn't cover human sacrifice, so it obviously doesnt' hold in EVERY scenario, as persumably, excercise of religion only counts when you don't use it to hurt other people.

It's pretty blatant you WANT it to be this way for some strange reason. There's no other way you could be seeing it that way.

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"Free practice thereof.." Seems pretty easy to get "government leave the church alone" from that. Of course, since you don't agree with the issue, you're not going to even try to see it.

The only way I "want it this way" is because I don't want the government butting in where they don't belong... If the church can play no role in the government, then the government should play no role in the church. It's quite simple.

Also, quit with the outlandish examples. Not allowing gays in a public school is not murder, it is not human sacrifice, etc. I can't wait to see what you're gonna equate it to now.


I think it's wrong that they were kicked out, as I've said numerous times.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

Again, you have to use common sense in this one. Human sacrifice could be religious, but still would be illegal. On a lesser level, someone could declare similiarly harmful things, like perhaps theft of some kind of object they consider "sacred", and it would still be illegal. The only issue here is that discrimination is not as illegal as it should be, and is even often state endorsed.



No, it's stupid, and see above.



Where do you draw the line then, exactly? If a religious institution engages in any illegal activity, it's still illegal. You are defending discrimination because you have the insane notion that it's justified just because people believe in it.



Yet you don't think anyone should ever be able to do anything about it.

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Okay Rosaile, I am going to tell you the facts, then I am going to leave, since trying to convince that even though what the school did is morally wrong, it is as legal as breathing, is like trying to teach a cat how to do a trick.
The school is not a business, it is a school. It is a private school, so it can do whatever it wants when it comes to the students. They can kick them out for breathing. They did something that you may not like, but it is perfectly legal. Nothing more, nothing less.
It may not be black and white, but it isn't a rainbow.

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Well, this religious illegal activity you're comparing it to is about harming mostly innocent people. But in this situation some girls are trying to join a school which they disagree with, so the school won't let them in. How is that really harming them?

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But that's not what happened at all. Did you read the article?

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Yeah, they got expelled. They should just join a different school that teaches what they agree with.

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And what about all their friends? Teachers they might have liked? What if that's the only school for miles? Not to mention the embarassment they have to deal with for being "Outed".

And what is this obession with "agreeing"?

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Because these people being expelled obviously don't agree with what the school is teaching. And it's a private school, so maybe the school doesn't want people who continually disagree with their teachings in the school.

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Wait, what? How is it obvious that they don't agree with what the school is teaching? And you pretty much ignored everything I said in the other post.
"Having a different sexuality" doesn't equate to disagreeing, and there are plenty of other "sins" that do the same that they overlook.

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Well, this Lutheran school believes homosexuallity is wrong, and these girls are homosexual, and the refuse to change, so it's disagreeing with their teachings.

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Um, you can't "change" being a homosexual. And they were kicked out on first suspiscion.

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What do you mean they "refused to change"? You can't just "change" what you feel. And the school even said they were being kicked out because of their feelings, not their actions.

If the school doesn't want anyone who disagrees with what they teach, why do they allow non-Christian students?

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Or Christian students that don't think exactly as they do? Why pick on homosexuals?

There most certainly isn't anything against lesbianism in the bible, even.

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Because we read the article?

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Oops, sorry, I was just about to edit that out, I just finished reading the end of the article.

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