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Common sense?


How about "this how is I think it is so therefore it is"?

That seems to be how you operate.


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It makes perfect sense...

You are saying that it's common sense that they didn't look for conservative bias, when, in the article, it plainly says they did. To me, it seems you didn't read the article, opting, instead to just accuse the authors of not doing something that, in fact, they did..

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Have you even read other people's posts on this or are you just ignoring them so you can have a go at me? I was just agreeing with them.

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To be honest, your posts are so easy to target, it's almost irresistible. You make the most biased, ignorant comments, and then expect everyone to just take them at face value.

It's kinda fun, actually.


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I read what they said too, and I disagree with it for the same reasons I disagreed with you. It says that they looked for bias in both directions. I don't know so much about the methods in doing so (an article citing the NRA isn't always conservative, nor is an article citing the NAACP automatically liberal), but they DID look for bias in both directions.

The study is going to be printed in a peer reviewed journal, though, which means that, if it didn't pass the standards of science put forth by the editorial board of that journal, it wouldn't be in there, not that science is apolitical, far from it, but it is what it is..

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lahimatoa wrote:
To be honest, your posts are so easy to target, it's almost irresistible. You make the most biased, ignorant comments, and then expect everyone to just take them at face value.

It's kinda fun, actually.


... why aren't there report buttons on this forum? Lahimota has also sent me several irritating PMs attacking me.

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lahimatoa wrote:
To be honest, your posts are so easy to target, it's almost irresistible. You make the most biased, ignorant comments, and then expect everyone to just take them at face value.

It's kinda fun, actually.


... why aren't there report buttons on this forum? Lahimota has also sent me several irritating PMs attacking me.


Forward them to an Admin/Mod

I'm sure they know how to check up on that kinda thing..

There's no excuse for that, if he did it.

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Yeah, I notified a mod about the PMs.

Toastpaint.

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Rosaile, They are checking for bias. Bias from both sides of the political spectrum. I hate to break it to you, but media over here is leaning towards the left. And please don't say that it is common sense, when I and a majority where I live thinks that it isn't.

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Rosaile, They are checking for bias. Bias from both sides of the political spectrum. I hate to break it to you, but media over here is leaning towards the left. And please don't say that it is common sense, when I and a majority where I live thinks that it isn't.


So because you're a majority, that makes you right? Well, looking at it from a more global scale, the majority of the world is exposed to your news and media and we say it leans towards the right.

Plus, what does left and right mean in this scenario? Left as in socialist, left as in libertian, left as in they don't think Michael Moore is a fat liar? Democrats aren't necessarily "Lefties", by the way.

Let's look at the political compass for the 2004 Election:

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As you can see, Bush is quite high on the authoratarian/facism/socially conservative scale, as well as quite far along the fiscally conservative scale; but Kerry isn't really a heck of a lot better. Democrats are stil technically right leaning.

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Great for you. I mean left as in Liberal, since that is basically the only left over here. Interesting scatter plot.

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Great for you. I mean left as in Liberal, since that is basically the only left over here. Interesting scatter plot.


It's not a "scatter plot", and that was pretty much a meaningless statement.
"Liberal" has become such a ridiculous word. Over here we view "Liberal" as a virtue rather than a disliked political movement.

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I am sure that you have added so many more useful posts. Meaningless statement? I was answering your freaking question. Scatter plot was pretty the only word I could think of. Please don't insult me, since I find that to be pretty low.

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Rogue Leader wrote:
I am sure that you have added so many more useful posts. Meaningless statement? I was answering your freaking question. Scatter plot was pretty the only word I could think of. Please don't insult me, since I find that to be pretty low.


That wasn't a personal insult and you're just looking to be attacked now. Quite frankly, I'm finished "arguing" with you.

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A ) There's nothing in the article showing that they were searching for any particular bias, left or right.

B ) Unless someone can find a copy of the actual report so we can better analyze the methods, the argument of bias is irrelevant since we seem to agree the methods of analysis are lacking scientific credibility.

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You know what I say? Take any made-up news, say 8 orphans are killed in a bus accident after Superman doesn't get there in time. Whatever. Anyway, after the accident, however unfortunate it is, everyone will see that story from a different side. How?

Well, how about the headlines "Superman Might Have Gone Faster" or "Superman Goes All Out to Try and Save Orphans" or "Where Was the Flash??" They all might explain why Superman might not have gotten there, but in different lights. The first puts a negative spin on Superman, the next tries to show how he tried but just couldn't get there, and the third blames someone else. Despite all the speculation and 'reporting', the fact is is that Superman didn't get there in time, and it's a tragedy. And I'm sure Superman won't want it to happen again.

Commentary isn't needed in news. That's why it's better not to see the news on shows where pundits and anchors get involved. The news is going to be presented in different ways no matter what. However, gather a variety of sources, take em with a grain of salt, and try to understand the facts behind the news.

The only problem is that news organizations, like any other free enterprise, can sell whatever they need in order to get profit.

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