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Yeah, that's not very nice.

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and im a member of the Church of Yog-Sothoth, but that doesnt mean we cant become the worlds most powerful team of....what-cha-ma-call-its

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Toast paint!

Jesus ministered to the "lowlifes" of society: the prostitutes, the drunks, the tax collectors. Why can't we, in this day & age, do the same kind of thing?

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Because, Preaching to that big Scary looking Drunk guy just doesnt sem like, and Because Jesus had something to fall back on.

"im the Son of God"
"Really?"
"yeah"
"well, okay, what do you got to say?"

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1. AN Anti-Christ? How the crap can there be MULTIPLE Anti-Christs? O_o

2. Who told you to shut up?

3. I don't tell people to shut up because I don't like what I'm hearing. I usually tell 'em to shut up because I don't like them.

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1. listen to that song "Anarchy in the U.K."

2. someone told me to shut up and leave

3. Good for you

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I think this is a good idea, Ian. Maybe don't use the glowing crosses and such, just so no one will beturned off by it, but other wise, awesome. It's like having a community designated driver or cool talking guy.

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i would say that anyone who's against the idea that Christianity has any truth to it could be an anti-Christ -- or at least, without the indefinite article, anti-Christ the adjective sense.

your other two points Choc-O handled quite well, i think.

Mandy - You probably think it is a good idea based on the naievete you have due to the fact you've never been to a club.

I think it is probably the stupidest idea to try and convert people I've ever seen. It's not conversion that is the stupidest part is that you are probably putting yourself in serious danger. And if I were immoral, I wouldn't tell you this. If I were, I'd say "Sure.. go get yourself killed... not my problem."

Don't say I didn't warn you if you proceed. And don't expect pity from anyone if you did get beat up while doing it. You play with fire, you're going to get burned. And those who play with fire get what they deserve.

Hopefully, given time, they will know who you people are as soon as you go to the door and the door man will turn you away. Not just for your own safety, but for the enjoyment of the patrons.

Also, if they are depressed in a club, chances are they want to be left alone.

Nobody wants to be preached to in a club. Besides, choosing faiths is an individuals perogative an no one elses. Everybody knows about Christianity, so you don't need to preach it. If they want to be a Christian, they will do so on their own. It isn't like there aren't a ton of churches around anyways. I mean, all I want to do at a club is see a band play, have a few drinks with my cohorts and have a good time.

I'm guessing you've been a Christian since birth, so I figure you've never had the opportunity to soul search and possibly find another path. Not everyone is born a Christian, and not everyone is one or wants to be one. This is the truth. Its perfectly fine if you are happy with the path you are on, but as George Carlin said:

Keep thy religion to thyself!

If someone started preaching to me in a club, I would be annoyed by it because I'm not a Christian and not looking to become one ever. What I would do is to demur every arguement they presented and have them summarily kicked out afterwards they wasted their breath.



Not if you are just buying a woman a drink... generally, it's a taxi that comes next. You really don't know what goes on at clubs, do you? If you think this is all that goes on, than you are more naive than this idea has led me to believe.

Also, here is a quote from Thomas Jefferson that I believe applies here:

I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature.....Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion?To make half the world fools and half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world.
~Thomas Jefferson, from Notes on Virginia



Anyone who believes you can't be moral without being a Christian is an ignorant moron to begin with.

Take me, for example. When I do drink, I only have one or two beers at maximum. I've never cheated on my fiancee. I don't lie to people (which is why I'm telling you not to go through with this idea). I am always there for a shoulder to cry on for my friends and willing to take a bullet for them (especially the female ones... that's how I was raised.) I'm generous and grateful for what I have. Now tell me that I'm immoral.

And if it is on the sole idea that I'm not a christian, or the fact that I find it annoying when bible-thumpers preach to me, then you are a bigger fool than you have presented yourself to be and pitiful beyond any comprehension. A judgmental Christian is a hypocrite, through and through.

And for judging Cobalt and COLA... you should be ashamed of yourselves. Breaking Matthew 7:1... try quoting that without having to refrence the bible. Just because our spiritual beliefs are different than yours does not, by any means, make you better than anyone. By touting them the way you have, you have proven just how imbecilic and hypocritical you truly are. Enough with this holier than thou attitude.

People are generally annoyed when they get preached to out on the street anyways, what makes you think this is going to make things any different?

I get harrassed by you people enough times during the week anyways. I usually just shrug it off and politely say "I am not interested. Have a nice day." But no... they persist. They get to the points about Hell and salvation... and the fact that they didn't bother listening to me the first time (look... if you say that I wasn't doing that either... well... I did the first 20 or 30 times... and I've read the Bible twice, cover to cover... I think I know a thing or two about Christianity.) I usually have to resort to telling them that they are judging me by saying I would go to Hell and that I would want no part of a religion that unduly judges people in such a manner.

Are you trying to increase your numbers by taking advantage of drunk people? Even so, people could easy amount this up to being one of the bad decisions they make when they drink heavily in the first place. In this case, what you are doing is manipulative, underhanded and just plain wrong. It makes you no better than some guy trying to take advantage of a woman due to her being intoxicated.

Such spiritual revelations shouldn't come through the voice of someone you meet in a club while drinking... because, what if they come to the next day and realize they don't want to be a Christian.

Moral of the story is to leave people be. If they want to find any form of spirituality, they will do so on their own without your "help" or anyone elses help unless they seek it.

To Cobalt and COLA - I believe you both handled this with poise and grace. I applaud you for handling yourselves under these blatant examples unjust and uneducated scrutiny. You are both officially on my cool list for this.

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sounds like a fine idea. Jesus talking aside, I'm sure plenty of people would be mighty greatful to get a ride home if they're unable to take themselves.

I went to see my friend's band play at this local place the other night. It's technically run by a church, and it's under 18, but the people there are very... scary. I'm very apt to withdraw and just people watch in a situation like that. and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

It sounds like a magnificent idea to me. As long as your don't earn a reputation as annoying. that would be no good.

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I have talked to people that seemd kinda "scary" at first, but really, it wasn't that they've never heard of my beliefs, they had just never talked about them with anyone or thought them out. And they were very open to it.

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Well, if you're just trying to educate people on your religion, maybe a much better idea would be to hold a big convention-like thing, instead of going around preaching at clubs, where people of all sorts of organized religious and spiritual beliefs came to represent their differing beliefs in a peaceful, respectable manner...and there could be seminars and workshops to help these types of people who don't know much about religions to come and learn what the different religions have to offer...

Or maybe that'd just be asking for trouble, since I'm sure a bunch of "holier-than-thous" from different religions would come face-to-face...and it'd go downhill from there. Oh, well. Perhaps religion is just best left to the individual to seek, as was stated earlier. There's an old saying (Chinese proverb, I think?) that says when the student is ready, the teacher will appear.

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The meaning of life is 'bucket.'

FOR PONY!!!

Maybe they are ready, and just maybe we are the teachers.

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It is quite possible...and if you keep at it long enough, you will probably find a few cases like that. More probable, however--at least IMHO--is that you will find people who do not wish to hear it, because they are either not ready to become Christian or because their life leads to a path of a different religious/spiritual belief. So, just be cautious, as many others have said already.

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The meaning of life is 'bucket.'

FOR PONY!!!

Ian, you know what would be better than going to one, is to host one. You could set it up, advertise for it and get DJ Jam Master Didymus to work the Turntables. The only downside is getting the funds to do this. Maybe you propose this at church sometime and see if anyone could help. You have nothing to lose by asking.

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*shudder*

Man, that's a creepy idea.

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Y'know, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.

I gave my life to Christ when I was 11. And I have been to a club, once, just this past October. I ended up going by myself (due to some bad communication)...on the bus...through Montbello, which is notorious for gang violence. Luckily I made it to the Larimer Lounge safely, but I was still uncomfortable. I didn't know anyone there, didn't have a phone or a watch, and I couldn't find a place to eat for an hour. Needless to say, I was scared.

I was stuck in the All-Ages section of the show. Fun stuff. You can still smell the smoke from the bar. There was a big ol' thing of water, but there was luckily a patio in the back that had hot dogs & soda & stuff. I met a couple nice people who where there to see the headliner. Then I met one of the other bands that night, who I had been a fan of for 3 years.

The night went on, and at 10:30, they close down the all-ages portion of the evening. I head on out to the bus stop. I get to the Montbello station at midnight, only to find out that the 121 didn't run that late. An hour later, I call my dad & he picks me up. I get home at 1:30 AM, miserable.

So I have been to a club before.

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Deathly Pallor: thanks for your kind words, and you are now, because of that post of yours, reciprocally on my Cool List.

i would rather be dead than Christian (and that's not a judgement of Christians; everyone is free to believe whatever makes sense to them, and Christianity just makes no sense to me at all) so i tend to get hostile at people who try to convert me. therefore i never recommend proselytizing. it's aggressive and disrespectful, no matter how well-intentioned.

Cobalt, I'm not proselytizing; I'm witnessing. Big difference. I'm not necessarily going to talk to people about Christ, but at least someone might have a ride home or just a shoulder to cry on.

Some people think that Christianity means "hell, fire and damnation at anyone who even slightly disagrees with the Bible"; that's why a lot of you in this thread are so against me. You guys think I'm going to run in there and start preaching.

And if a candy kid came hugging me, I'd hug him back.

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Know that I am gracious and grateful for this. Thank you.



Nor I. And I have read the bible (and not this NIV nonsense everyone is reading now) and know more of it than the average christian I meet.



Why is it that bible thumpers never seem to understand this?



Someone had to say it. Are you afraid of honesty? Some of the people on this board aren't even old enough to get into a club, so they wouldn't know any better.

Plus, you are going about this blindly. Club owners will not put up with people who's sole purpose is to try preaching to people (regardless of what religion it is) and ruin their evening. It will deter and detract customers from their establishment. I've been to plenty of clubs, goth and otherwise. This kind of thing will not fly... And if you've been to an area with that kind of gang activity (I know bands that have been through Denver, so I know about Montbello), you should know what you are risking. Hence my deeming this idea as utterly moronic.

As far as I see it, every plan needs a devil's advocate. Thusly...



Well? And if the judgment you cast upon Cobalt and COLA is any example of what you are going to be doing... then you should kindly heed my warning, though you should anyways.

Preaching is for in chuch, and it shall remain so. Most people won't even waste their time with you, or if they are to, they are probably intoxicated (read aforementioned statement).



But that is once. And if it was really that bad, you should know better.



No, there isn't. And even if you say that it isn't, it is your intention regardless.





No, it's not. Why I am against you is due to the fact that pushing your religion onto people is disrespectful and annoying to the person you are inflicting it upon. That's right, I said inflict.

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Are you afraid of tact?

I'M NOT PREACHING! I'm witnessing. There is a difference.

Preach: To deliver a sermon.

Witness: To bear witness to one's religious convictions. To bear witness to Christ.

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Isn't bearing witness also what a preacher does? And what does a preacher do? Preach!

Most modern sermon is done via this so called witnessing. Also, witnessing is also a form of preaching and proselytizing.

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Not necessarily. There's an approach called 3Story:

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Step three leads into preaching. And isn't a technique like this somewhat underhanded and manipulative?

Sure, it may be considered a soft approach, but I fail to see how this isn't proselytizing? Perhaps because that is exactly what it is. You are just using personal experience behind it as well... which even that can be called into question depending on the individual.

Also, connecting your life to being comparable to God's story is sacrilege.

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Connecting my life to God's story is saying how God has impacted my life, not saying my life is comparable to God's. It's not even close.

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Then they definitely need to rewrite that little cheat sheet, now don't they?

But, stop dodging my questions and answer them. I've answered all of yours.

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I see nothing wrong with proselytizing to start with. Christ commanded us to make disciples. When we make disciples, we do so under his guideance and at his command.

And as for connecting life to God's life being sacrilege: how so? In becoming a man and suffering all the hardships of human life, wasn't God connecting his own life with ours? That's the whole point of the Incarnation: God's story has now become my story. Whatever it is that I have suffered, God knows on account of his own suffering. Therefore, there is nothing sacrilegious about connecting my experience with his, because he himself has connected his own experience with mine.

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No, I just want to reach out to people in a place where they're "comfortable". People don't want to hear anything religious in a church, but at least they might listen in a bar or a club.

I'm not judging anyone; they're the ones who are judging my idea for a ministry.

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The basic principle is meeting people where they are. Granted, some people at night clubs are never going to be open to hearing the message. Granted. But does that mean the message should be withheld from them? I'm not sure I buy that.

As I understand it, Ian is talking essentially about trying to meet people where they are, about trying to show some concern for their needs, especially when they are in the depths of those needs. In essence, saying to them, "I am here for you," in much the same way that Christ himself would say, "I am here for you."

Personally, I cannot comment on the prospects or the rightness of such a ministry. But I must point out that no one is in any position to challenge Ian's motives in considering this as a possible ministry opportunity.

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Thank you, Didy! You always have the right words to say.

Maybe I should go to CCU after all...

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