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Ugh. That is so ignorant that I do not even know how to respond to that. I doubt that he believes in everything in that note. I mean, that is so embellished and stupid. "A culture of Death"? That sounds like something Hilary would say.
Maybe he IS hilary. Have they ever been seen togather? Maybe. I don't know.

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Until he says that the video gaming industry is being run like a plantation, I'll think they're seperate people.

Seriously, though, this guy is just more proof that, usually, those who know the least shout the loudest.

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Lastly, (if you couldn't guess) parents need to be more involved with their kids lives. They need to know the content of the game that they just purchased for their kid. They need to be able to say to that kid, "No you can't have that game, it is too violent for our tastes". I truly believe that it is a parents right to govern that part of their childs life.

Exactly. That is so true (and I made a point similar to this in another topic somewhere). I remember when I was younger, my parents would not let me play games like Mortal Kombat, because they deemed it "too bloody", which, looking back, was a wise choice. I don't think my impressionable mind would be quite what it is today if my parents had not barred me from things like Mortal Kombat, Doom, or other bloody shooters/fighters.

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Lastly, (if you couldn't guess) parents need to be more involved with their kids lives. They need to know the content of the game that they just purchased for their kid. They need to be able to say to that kid, "No you can't have that game, it is too violent for our tastes". I truly believe that it is a parents right to govern that part of their childs life.

Exactly. That is so true (and I made a point similar to this in another topic somewhere). I remember when I was younger, my parents would not let me play games like Mortal Kombat, because they deemed it "too bloody", which, looking back, was a wise choice. I don't think my impressionable mind would be quite what it is today if my parents had not barred me from things like Mortal Kombat, Doom, or other bloody shooters/fighters.


In my lifetime I'd like to see the general public's view of video games shift from "Public Enemy Number 1" to something akin to what movies have going for them right now. They'd be seen almost as works of art and that would sheild a lot of the industry from fire. I'd also like to see the fact that parents allow their 10 and 12 year olds play M rated games take on the same kind of stigma that letting kids of that age watch "R" rated movies regularly gets.

I don't know if that made much sense, if it didn't I'm sorry.

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I understand what you're saying.

A movie like Kill Bill is heaped with awards and accolades, despite the fact that it's arguably bloodier than most of the violent video games out there, while a game like GTA sets off congressional hearings.

The only difference is that we're not the ones controlling the violence in movies. People like Quentin Tarantino do, yet you don't see nearly as many people like Ol' Wacky criticizing the movie industry.

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Lastly, (if you couldn't guess) parents need to be more involved with their kids lives. They need to know the content of the game that they just purchased for their kid. They need to be able to say to that kid, "No you can't have that game, it is too violent for our tastes". I truly believe that it is a parents right to govern that part of their childs life.

I'll go further than you on this. Not only is it a parent's right to govern that part of their child's life, it's their responsibility.
Unfortunately, a lot of parents just don't care. They can't be bothered with such trivial matters as "what my kids are doing". As long as people like Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, and Jack Thompson are willing to legisltate stuff like that, they don't seem to think they have a reason to care.

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Lastly, (if you couldn't guess) parents need to be more involved with their kids lives. They need to know the content of the game that they just purchased for their kid. They need to be able to say to that kid, "No you can't have that game, it is too violent for our tastes". I truly believe that it is a parents right to govern that part of their childs life.

I'll go further than you on this. Not only is it a parent's right to govern that part of their child's life, it's their responsibility.
Unfortunately, a lot of parents just don't care. They can't be bothered with such trivial matters as "what my kids are doing". As long as people like Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, and Jack Thompson are willing to legisltate stuff like that, they don't seem to think they have a reason to care.


It's a problem that Parents don't care, but that's a discussion for a different thread. I think it's equally a kid's responsibility not to let the violence from video games get to their heads, they should remember that it's just a game.

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Lastly, (if you couldn't guess) parents need to be more involved with their kids lives. They need to know the content of the game that they just purchased for their kid. They need to be able to say to that kid, "No you can't have that game, it is too violent for our tastes". I truly believe that it is a parents right to govern that part of their childs life.

I'll go further than you on this. Not only is it a parent's right to govern that part of their child's life, it's their responsibility.
Unfortunately, a lot of parents just don't care. They can't be bothered with such trivial matters as "what my kids are doing". As long as people like Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, and Jack Thompson are willing to legisltate stuff like that, they don't seem to think they have a reason to care.


It's a problem that Parents don't care, but that's a discussion for a different thread. I think it's equally a kid's responsibility not to let the violence from video games get to their heads, they should remember that it's just a game.


But the sciences of sociology and psychology show us that children go through certain stages in development as far as recognizing reality, distinguishing reality from fantasy, and other similar mind processes. It'd be really neato if all humans were already born with this common sense, but unfortunately, we have to learn it throughout the years.

Oh, and as for parents not parenting well--I totally agree, but it seems to be a sad yet truthful paradigm that "stupid people [reproduce] more."

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Oh, yes, it's obvious that parents need to take an interest in what their kids are seeing. But Jacko doesn't even seem to be on that side. From what I've seen, he seems to think that video games always lead to violence no matter who plays them. If you're in your twenties and playing GTA makes you want to go on a killing spree in real life, that's not the game's fault, there's something wrong with you.

But then again, this trend of ultra-violent games being the most popular is disheartening. What does it say about kids that what they want to play is GTA, rather than Mario or Sonic? What ever happened to blue skies? :)
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Oh, yes, it's obvious that parents need to take an interest in what their kids are seeing. But Jacko doesn't even seem to be on that side. From what I've seen, he seems to think that video games always lead to violence no matter who plays them. If you're in your twenties and playing GTA makes you want to go on a killing spree in real life, that's not the game's fault, there's something wrong with you.

But then again, this trend of ultra-violent games being the most popular is disheartening. What does it say about kids that what they want to play is GTA, rather than Mario or Sonic? What ever happened to blue skies? :)
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I blame older siblings. I've seen this firsthand with my little brother, he thinks the games I play are cooler than the ones I was playing when I was his age. I was in my late 13th year when I first saw my friend playing GTA3 and I was in shock, I didn't even know this type of violence was possible in video games. The extent of violience I've seen in video games before extended to Super Smash Brothers, it was odd seeing such a gitty setting for a game.

So the fact that I even exsisted infulanced my little brother's taste in video games, he grew up seeing me play both the best (Mario Kart, Pilot Wings) and the worst (Halo, PoP:WW) of video games. He's suffered no visable damage but I can see how this happens to other kids.

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