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they should send them all back to their own countries. ALL OF THEM, NO EXCEPTIONS!!

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Wow, It's been like three or 4 years since I've last been here

Oh my God! It's so simple! I don't know why we haven't done it yet! We just find every single illegal immigrant (because as we all know, the exact location of all illegal immigrants is always known), round them up, and use taxpayer's money to deport them all to their home countries! Genius!

Stupidy fixed'd

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What's already been posted? You know that links back to this thread, right?

Oh...I somehow clicked on the last number and thought it was a new thread he started. Whoops, problem fixed!

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Something that doesn't make sense to me: If they want legal benefits, shouldn't they come in legally?

Ah, so in essence, no one would be left? All of us that are descendants of people that came over in the 1600s from England should be shipped to the UK? "Native" Americans should be forced back over to Asia where it is said their ancestors migrated from? Or maybe go even more extreme and global and force the world's entire 6.5 billion population into the region by the Mediterranean, like current-day Israel and Greece?

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FOR PONY!!!

Those don't count, because when americans came over, we were adding on to brittan, and native americans had no concept of land ownership, but if you want to enter this country do it legally.

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i think we have covered this earlier in the thread schwartz, as far as legal entry. a lot of people have advocated legal immigration strongly (as do i) but (i can't quite remember who...) noted that in order to even start the process you need to be a landowner in mexico. and i related a story before about a good friend who is a legal immigrant and has been living here for about 13 years or something yet still can't even get federal aid for college or a drivers liscence. it doesn't seem that there is much incentive for legal immigration if people who do it right don't even get anywhere near the opportunity for citizenship after over a decade. i think that the issue of incentive needs to be adressed. ideas?

That's a huge problem, shoe. Those who come here illegally get whatever they want. Welfare, scholarships, jobs, healthcare for free, while those who attempt to come here legally have a hard time.

In fact, the only difference between legal Americans and illegal aliens in the US is that illegals don't have to register for the draft or participate in jury duty.

Wow, that'll convince anyone to seek legal status here.

What a joke.

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that's precisiely what im saying lahi. there IS no incentive for legals. but i must say that you are very wrong about illegals having the world handed to them. you make it sound like they live in the lap of luxury. not true almost across the board. they largely work in uninsured jobs for insane amounts of time (ever work 70 hours a week or more?? i do 45 and that sucks.) in unsafe conditions. they do not get financial aid for school, they get deported if they go to a hospital. you are quite flawed in your list of advantages that illegals have.

so why don't you work 70 hours a week, lahi, for 3.50 and hour and let me know if it is everything you want when you fall and break your arm but do not go to the hospital because you fear la migra will deport you, not to mention insane healthcare costs for uninsured people and hospitals that often turn people without insurance away. you have it really good and don't forget that people who live right on the edge don't have it like you and i do with computers and free time to spend watching H*R and quibbling over politics.

Okay, so

1.)Illegals have to work long hours.

Fine. There are those who do. There are worse things. Though I don't know that illegals with McDonald's or janitorial jobs are working 70+ hours a week. And as far as I can tell, no one is forcing them to work here.

2.)No financial aid.

Actually, yes, there are illegals receiving financial aid. States such as Texas and New Mexico have laws saying that financial aid can be given to those who do not have legal status here. See this article.

3.) They get deported if they go to the hospital.

Not true. From this source.



And another article discusses how emergency rooms are taking illegal alien patients in Georgia because that's what Medicaid will pay for when dealing with illegals.

Do a Google for illegal immigrants and emergency care. Nowhere will you find reports that Immigration is sitting in ER waiting rooms ready to pounce on illegal aliens and deport them. It doesn't happen, generally.

Ball's in your court, shoe. And don't bother with the guilt trip this time.

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And even if illegal immigrants didn't get any kind of aid from the government, so what? What right do they have to expect the government to take care of them? A government is supposed to take care of it's citizens, not anyone who steps over the border.

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It's such a complicated business... I don't know what to think.

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Look at that face. The face of evil. Poor guy...

apologies if i don't believe "vdare.com", mostly because blogging is a false frm of journalism because most "bloggers" don't know how to separate their opinions from their writing, but the WSJ article is well taken. the fact still remains that you are acting like a victim of the rich illegals who control the country with their repressive wealth, which is simply preposterous. they do not get everything handed to them and i suppose what i mean by the hospital thing is that many illegals don't go to the hospital because they think that they will be deported, though it may not be true. and i don't know about the hospitals in texas but where i live they treat you liks s**t no matter what your status is (uness you have really high-quality insurance). sorry i can't cite articles about this trend with illegals but it is pretty well-known that many avoid the hospital when injured.

exhibit A- i wasn't necessarily saying they deserve it, just that they aren't exactly living the high life. student aid really isn't worth it anyway, im a citizen and im going to be in insane debt after school.

it IS complicated and while i disagree with you deeply lahi, you make strong points sometimes. i simply wanted to point out your horrendous exaggerations that "they get whatever they want".

note: you formatted your post as though you were striking down each point of mine but you missed some serious parts: very little pay, unsafe work conditions, for example. you can't honestly argue that they WANT that.

and its funny you mention people not being forced to work places. i know some illegals and they often wok in kitchens at restaurants. they actually pay MORE taxes than the average american because the restaurants take out and pay the taxes from their check but the illegals can never file their returns because they don't have SSNs or anything. anyway, there is some creepy local kingpin guy who brings up people fom south america (none that i know are mexicans. they use this magic thing to get here: airplanes.) and basically works them like slaves and garnishes their wages. it's quite messed up. one of his restaurants got raided and the people were seized but he was "out of town" at the time and still seems to be around and doing his underhanded business. sometimes people actually are forced to work. some border crossers charge upwards of 10,000 dollars (none of which the illegals have) and then are forced into servitude in america by that crosser's connections. that is messed up.

EDIT: i see why my university experience was different with fin-aid: state matter so it's different everywhere. makes sense.

I live in Arizona and have some illegals at my school, so i no. You really have to see all illegal immigrants working to get the idea. I say its ok with me, because its not harming us, and i would lose some friends. And by the way,when my house was built, there was not a single worker who wasnt Mexican.

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Wait, so you think that breaking the law is ok? You think that they should not be punished for commiting a crime?

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there's NOTHING okay about Judas Priest.

I saw an article about some people organizing a find-the-illegal game, and people were saying that this game is racist.

While a good amount of people do seem to have underlying racial motivations for their tough illegal immigrant stance, it doesn't at all follow that if you're tough on border security you'd have racist motivations. Sometimes a cigar's just a cigar. People could just be scared that there are 10 million people here that legally don't exist. Also, these people (college republicans) aren't even going after REAL illegals, but they're just doing an exercise of some kind, probably to research illegal detection strategies or something.

To clarify: my position is that people should come here legally, yes, but we should get rid of quotas (which generally ARE racist) and really allow anyone who wants to to come here as long as they provide the authorities with their information and pay taxes. It's almost like we give the people who are going to work the hardest the hardest time getting in legally.

So anyway, just saw that article and wanted to say: I don't agree with those people in theory, but lay off the "racist" nonsense OK?

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Bingo. If there were ten million Swedes coming across our border illegally, I'd have an issue with that, too. Color of skin has nothing to do with it.

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I'm glad a few others realize this! Its all about the law!

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The new bill proposed by Congress to "fight" illegal immigration is ridiculous. This site outlines a lot of the problems with it.

Police Can't Arrest Illegals Just For Being Illegals

According to Ed Meese, the current Senate bill would actually prevent police officers from arresting anyone based on the fact that they're in this country illegally. Does that sound like the sort of provision that people who are serious about enforcing our immigration law would add to the bill?

Amnesty For Illegals, Of Any Sort, Just Encourages More People To Break Our Laws

"...(T)he low hurdles to citizenship this bill erects�making illegal immigrants stand at the back of the immigration line while remaining in our country (and pushing others outside of the country further back in line); forcing them to pay only three years of back income taxes after the IRS, rather than they themselves, figures out how much they owe; collecting a nominal fee of $2,000 per immigrant�mock and demean the sacrifices of those who waited years to immigrate through our established legal channels. Worse, like the immigration law passed in 1986, it creates a disincentive to legally apply for citizenship.

Those who broke the law when coming into America, broke the law when getting a job, and broke the law by failing to pay the same taxes as American workers, continue to break the law by residing here illegally. This bill is dangerous precedent and sends a chilling message about our national integrity: America has lost the will to enforce her laws, and her sovereignty is for sale�currently, for around $2,000." -- Rick Santorum

Why Should Criminals Be Allowed To Become American Citizens?

"Republican Senators Cornyn (Tex.) and Kyl (Ariz.) had originally proposed an amendment to make criminals ineligible for either amnesty or U.S. citizenship under the proposed new law. That had been overwhelmingly rejected by the Democrats who then asked Cornyn and Kyl to negotiate a compromise with Kennedy. The two sides agreed�the Republicans reluctantly�that a criminal would now be eligible for amnesty and citizenship if he had committed only one felony or three misdemeanors except that he could commit any number of immigration-related felonies or misdemeanors and still pass muster." -- John O�Sullivan

Isn't that just what we need here in America: more criminals. Here's an alternate proposal: how about no felons are allowed to become citizens or guest workers?


You get the idea. This entire bill is ridiculous and will only incite more illegals to come here. Illegal immigrants are ruining the United States and need to be stopped. Hundreds of thousands of them are running drugs and part of violent gangs.

We need to start rounding up illegals and deporting them back to where they came from. The INS doesn't do its job well enough and a lot of that is because of political pressure from Democrats who thrive on getting votes from people who are here illegally. That's also why the left doesn't want to require any ID for people to vote. That way they can ship thousands of illegals to voting booths to cast ballots in the names of U.S. citizens illegally.

Makes me sick.

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I don't know that illegals contribute significantly to crime, drugs, etc...

However, what I DO know is that this is a load. Illegal means illegal. Illegal immigrants deserve no mercy. They broke the law and should be treated as lawbreakers.

Sure, it is a pain to immigrate to the US legally, but allowing illegals to get off without penalty is not the answer. I'm all for fixing the immigration system, possibly making it easier for people to come here LEGALLY, not giving a free pass for those who are here illegally.

What's the bug up my butt over this immigration stuff? There was no talk of amnesty when my friend Myleen and her folks were kicked out of this country for being here illegally (when they thought they were here legally). All of the other illegals in this country should receive the same consideration she received.
I suppose that, had they been from Mexico and not the Philippines, and would have deliberately come here illegally, instead of paying a lawyer (that turned out to be crooked) everything they had to try to come here legally, perhaps they'd still be here.

*blood shoots from eyes*

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Bingo. Illegals get the all the benefits of living in America without having to worry about things like taxes. It's crap.

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So if no one on this forum can muster any support for this bill, why does it seem to have such support in Washington?

Just another example of voter/representative disconnect that exists in America.

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I'd say it's more about politicians pandering to the Hispanic vote.
They did this about this time last election cycle with gay marriage. Illegal immigration will move back to page A7 in about 18 months.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

I pretty much completely agree. If its really that important for them to get to America, why not just apply for citizenship (which I understand may or may not be difficult, if it is, then we need to find a way to make it easier)? There wouldn't be the risk of being deported, thrown in jail, etc. Sure, you might have to sign up for the draft or have jury duty, but its better than living in worse conditions that what you came from, eg. some places in Mexico and South America.

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well there's one place i hugely agree with you, lahi. i don't think anyone in washington, left or right wing really has anyone's interests in mind except for vote-seeking.

That's why I won't pick a Congressman or Senator for president next year.

But I digress.

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Illegal immigrants is a pretty tricky subject. I personally believe they should be allowed to stay here. If they are willing to work, they should be allowed to. If an employer wants to hire someone who can do the work you do but they are willing to do it cheaper I see no reason why they shouldn't. If an employer wants to hire someone who does a job worse than you do because they work cheaper, it's their problem. I think that they should be payed the same wages a citizen would though. That way, the only possible reason an employer would hire them over a citizen would be if they work harder, and if they don't, then they would have no reason to hire them.