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Yeah, that was worded bad.

But Abu, what I should say is, you don't think the immigrant deserves to give their side of the story as well?

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Any fair trial would require a thorough investigation: see my above post.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

It really is hard to say. I don't believe it's necessary to give them a trial, but punting them over the border won't accomplish a whole helluva lot, because history would probably repeat itself.

"Those who do not learn history the first time are doomed to repeat it"

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pfft

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I edited the post.

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Either way, you're still looking at about 6 months of communication between the US and Mexico over 1 family who possibly wasnt even documented in Mexico either.

Either way, sounded off, should have re-worded it better.

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what

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Not that complex.

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So, what IS necessary? What the hell is wrong with a fair trial?

Also @ Ace: That's the kind of crap he's been pulling for the whole topic.

EDIT: ABU STOP EDITING YOUR POSTS YOU THILLY GOOTHE

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What's wrong with a fair trial? They are not WORTHY of one! They are not legally citizens of the United States of America, so they do not DESERVE to be treated to its justice system.

I haven't been "pulling crap", I've been saying those exact words, and all you've been doing is saying "0mg wrong fascist!!!1"

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I'm saying "what" because you've either completely contradicted yourself or completely flipped your position.


All human beings are created equal. We all deserve the same basic rights. These are the self-evident truths that our nation was founded on.

To say someone is not "worthy" of rights is just...wow.

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Abu, just stop, you're not making yourself look any righter or smarter.

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Hey COLA: Shut up. I've got 4 people going against me, I've been making valid points and people are looking at me as a fascist. All you've done is pop in and make pointless comments like that one.

And Ace: It seems that way, I'll admit, almost every post has made little sense. But what I'm saying is that I believe illegal aliens shouldn't have fair trial, and it's out of my nature to say so. For the most part, it's more like I can't state my honest opinions without getting the thread locked again. Also,


They are not worthy of any rights courtesy of the U.S. They are not citizens of this country, and shall not be treated as them with a courtesy such as American rights.

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Wow, you contradicted yourself in the same post!

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even though it says so in LAW, which is (according to most of your posts) the FINAL WORD, they're not worthy. Okay, you say it's not worthy. But guess what? You don't make the rules. I say they are worthy, because they're people. We're all people, so we should all have the same rights as every other person on the planet. Just because they're coming into a section of land that we "own" a certain way, doesn't mean they don't deserve to be tried for that, just like every other person to commit a "crime".

and I've never said any of those three words. You're just contradicting yourself. No shame in admitting it.

And...valid points? You were leaning on the LAW argument for pages, and that turned out to be complete BS. You're not misunderstood, you're just...you know.

EDIT: Abu, I'm going to stop you from playing the victim before you truly start.

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The US legal code applies to everyone who is in US soil. Not just citizens. That would be unfair and contrary to the spirit of the US constitution to prevent non-citizens from having access to the same rights and legal representation. Especially if the non-citizens are here on legitimate means and are on the process to gaining citizenship.

I'm glad AbuGrape45 is just a junior high armchair-fascist who doesn't pay taxes yet, and cannot vote. If more people had his set of attitudes, and actually could have a say in government, our democracy and freedom would be in peril.

ALL MEN, not just US citizens.

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I like you

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It's not BS. It's illegal for them to be here. They shouldn't be here.


Ha. 13-year-old fascist. Give me a break.

I'm not a Funk fascist, idiot. That comment was completely unnecessary. They're not deserving of a fair trial, bottom line. Having illegal immigrants here as illegal people is bad enough, but having them commit a crime is just adding insult to injury. That's exactly why they don't deserve fair trials.

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They are on US soil, therefore they deserve a fair trial. What aren't you getting?

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"If at first you don't succeed, call in an air strike." -Unknown

I get all of it. I believe they don't deserve fair trial. That bothers you? Sorry, but that's the way it needs to be.

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I've got a question for you: What does this thread and a Ferris Wheel have in common?

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There are people yelling at eachother and saying that the guy at the bottom is a fascist?

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care to provide a reason that isn't total BS?[



shut up.



keeps going around and around and around

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@ Abu: ??? What kinda carnival do you have in your town?

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"If at first you don't succeed, call in an air strike." -Unknown

I believe the answer was "it goes around and around" or something. EDIT: nvm people posted

Stop disregarding the Declaration of Independence. All men are created equal. Just because they're illegal immigrants doesn't mean they forfeit the rights endowed upon them because they are human.

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Being illegal IS committing a crime! An Illegal who commits a crime is just that: AN ILLEGAL WHO COMMITTED A CRIME, and just because they are illegal does not mean they don't deserve a fair trial!

Okay then, if you don't want fair trials for illegal immigrants, okay.

Lets play a game. Right now, YOU are an illegal immigrant. You work for 25 cents a day and you try to support your family, which consists of your wife, and two children. You live in a shack on the fields. You and your family are minding your own business dining on a stale loaf of bread and warm dirty water. Suddenly, men in black suits roll up, slap you upside the head, speak to you in a language that you only know a few words to, they shove you in the back of a truck, and dump you outside of a Mexican city that you and your family have never been too. Your son and daughter disappear after they drop you off, and your wife is dying of thirst. Within a few hours, you've lost your entire family.

In that scenario, do you feel you were treated fairly and what they did to you was right?

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BINGO!

I can go through the last three pages and see the same freaking argument over and over again. I think I am going to rename this thread "Groundhog's Day."

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Why? I mean, other than irrational nationalism. It would be loathe in its reputation and spirit for this country whose pledge of allegiance states, "liberty and justice for all" to prevent equal representation before the law.

I already said, having them here as an illegal people is bad enough, but having them commit crimes, allegedly or otherwise, is just bad to worse. They deserve to have an investigation, and if they find enough evidence that they're guilty, it's the end for them.


No I do not think that is fair, but I believe they are deserving of an investigation, and they are not likely to find that the evidence traces back to a man in that situation.

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