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This country does not have any official language. I think that forcing someone to learn english to become a citizen is wrong, we have the hardest language out there!

I like the idea of where workers can get a seasonal pass to work as migrant workers. I also liek the idea that the hard working ilegal immigrants can get residency. Our legal immigration program is to slow.

As for the giant wall on the US-Mexico border. Didn't we already tare down one wall over in Europe? Do we really want to be like that?

I also think it is great with the Spanish translation of the National Anthem, it is showing how these people want to be american yet, want to keep there native culture.

And America has no culture (if materialism doesn't count), we have many different cultures of the different people.

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Hey, as long as they pay taxes (which is my biggest problem with illegals, getting free stuff without paying anything into the system), I'm all for it.


No, that wall was built to split a country in two.

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For the love of... if you move to Russia, you learn Russian. If you move to Spain, you learn Spanish. If you move to Japan, you learn Japanese.

Immigrants into the US should not get special treatment.



Have you listened to the anthem or a translated version?

From this article:



Yeah, let's drop condemnation of the US into your "translation" of its anthem.

Ridiculous.

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You know, I didn't have a real problem with translating the anthem til I heard about that part whining about the laws.
My friend Myleen didn't get any special treatment, and her father TRIED (and thought he succeded) in bringing her here legally.
I say these people should be shown the same courtesy her father was shown (imprison them for an undertermined amount of time, take everything they have, and send them back where they came from). He was treated that way and he TRIED to come here legally, respecting the laws. People who brashly disregard them have no place here.
If they want to come here legally, that's just fine (I just pray they don't get the lawyer Mr Manalatas had, I want to do terrible things to that guy, most of which would be considered War Crimes, but that's a different thread for a different day).

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I have a question . . . who are these people who are shooting illegal immigrants at the border?

Also, the Minuteman Project are not apprehending anybody. Simply tracking illegals and calling the border patrol.

I really think the pro-immigrant groups are going about this whole thing the wrong way. I honestly think they are shooting themselves in the foot, and making more and more Americans angry. I see more people getting sick of the protests. It's not helping. Waving the Mexican flag isn't going to win Americans over. Kids leaving school doesn't convince Americans that they care about education. On May 1st, the planned massive boycott isn't going to do anything positive. Just make people angry that once again streets are blocked off at rush hour and they can't get home. I live right off Wilshire Blvd in Los Angeles. A huge section of this major street is being shut down on Monday for a march. I am not looking forward to Monday. I heard talk of abandoning cars in the freeways as a form of protest. If they want to show us what life would be like in the United States without illegal immigrants, they should stay home. The unlicensed uninsured motorists should stay off the freeways. They should extend their boycott to hospital emergency rooms. But instead, they are just causing a massive headache for people in cities by shutting down major roads during rush hour. Pissing off Americans is not the way to gain sympathy.

Also, if I keep hearing people say "jobs Americans won't do", I am going to scream. They are jobs that Americans won't do for unliveable wages which have been undercut by the fact that employers give jobs to illegal immigrants who are willing to be exploited. And the more Americans hear people say they are unwilling to do those jobs, the more they are going to get angry and resent the illegal immigrants.

Having said all that, I DO sympathize with the people who are just trying to come here and have a better life. But I think the activists should hire some PR firm that can show them how to build their movement without sending the wrong message and making more average Americans angry.

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amorican you have a really excellent point about the pro-immigration groups--they make themselves look bad a lot. raising awareness and protesting (peacefully) for what you feel is right is one thing, and it is a right that people (not american citizens, im talking human rights here) should have. Having said that i am proud to note that i have excercized that right on occasion in my lifetime and it is an empowering thing. but you need to think about what your protest is making you look like and how it is going to affect the feelings of others. protests don't convince the government of anything, everyone knows that. if body turnout at a protest could change politicians minds, then things would be different, but a protest is about forming a movement and convincing other people to join the cause. i agree that they may be shooting themselves in the foot if it is going to be as it sounds.

willyou please update us on how may first goes there in LA amorican, i'm interested to know.

I don't work Mondays anyway, so I plan on being in the thick of things on Wilshire Blvd, taking pictures and short videos (my digital camera isn't the greatest, but it'll do the job), and basically just taking in the sights and sounds of the event.
I'll also be wondering how the heck my girlfriend plans to get to my apartment from work in that mess during rush hour. One closed street (especially one as busy as Wilshire) messes up traffic on all surrounding streets. . . not much fun if you are trying to get home after a long day of not skipping work.

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Umm...yes we do. It's called English. How the HECK can you even suggest that English is not the official language of the United States of America??? It's 100% preposterous!

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Actually, the US hasn't declared an "official language". I'm wanting to think that we're one of the only countries on the planet that hasn't done so.
We DO have an english speaking majority, that's for sure. Maybe we SHOULD declare english the official language. There are those who would call me racist for saying so, but I think it's a good idea.
I won't go so far as to say "If you're going to come here, you'd better speak english!", but I really don't think english speakers should be forced to accomidate non-english speakers by learning another language.

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You're right; I don't wanna have to take Spanish in school. Or see Spanish on the ATM or the phone.

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I don't think it's going to come to that...

- Kef

Well, look at how many people in school take Spanish compared to the kids who take French or other languages.

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Illegal Immigrants should not be sent back because, They are crossing the boarder because they know that they will have a better life here.. not all illegals are bad ya know.. sure some are drug mules.. but some just want to get in the usa badly... they probally have a crappy life... and they come from such a long wat to get in here.. I think bush should let them come...

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My concern is that since it is such a heavily English-speaking nation, when there are illegal immigrants (or even legal immigrants) coming over who don't speak English and are placed in a working position where they have to interact with English-speaking customers and/or coworkers, then there's a problem. And as English is the dominant language--even if it's not declared the official language, it's still understood to be the dominant, reigning language of our country--then I don't see why the rest of the nation should learn to speak a new language to accomodate someone who wanted to come here. Immigrants chose to be here, so they should embrace all the obligations of being a citizen here, which includes communicating in the language of the nation. I would expect the same for anyone moving to any country where they needed to learn a new language.

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Then they should take all the steps to become a citizen, or get their green cards.

PianoMan, you seem to be saying that Americans should learn to speak a buncha other languages, yet you also say that immigrants should learn English. Which is it?

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Where am I saying that Americans should learn to speak a bunch of other languages?

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Oops, I thought you said shouldn't there. My bad.

But I agree; America should not become another Canada--or EU.

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So? To many people, it's more immediately useful. Why should they take French instead? Unless they have any particular interest in the French language, there's really no reason. I don't see why there's anything particularly wrong with having a stronger incentive to learn Spanish than French. Most people in school have to learn at least a little of a second language anyway; why not pick the one that's most immediately useful?

(I had to take three years of Spanish, myself. I'd have chosen Japanese if it were offered; alas, it wasn't.)

- Kef

i really don't see the inalieble importance of Americans speaking english. I speak english, yes, and i will speak it my entire life. I also speak a french just short of fluently and can comprehend Latin and Spanish to some degree. (not that ill run into anyone asking for anything in Latin anytime soon)

my point is that it's not like we invented the language:
people in most other countries in the world are made to grow up speaking english from an incredibly young age along with their own language in order to be compatible with others, and some countries actually have three or more official languages. and that isn't so scary. i personally don't run screaming when someone refers to a multilingual country beacuse that is the nature of human communication: many languages.

maybe language just comes easily to me.

Well, personally, I'm more interested in French. I just have no interest in Spanish, even though I live in a state that has a considerable Latino population. Besides, French, English, & Spanish are 3 of the official languages of the UN, EU, & OAS.

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Well, nobody's forcing you to learn Spanish instead.

I might take up learning Spanish again, not because I'm very interested in it (I'm not), but because I think it'll be easy to learn and it'll help me get a second language under my belt (which would in turn help me learn Japanese). I did badly in Spanish II and especially Spanish III in high school, but only because I had lost interest.

- Kef

Yup. Keep them out already.

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i always knew you were against my culture.

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Yeah, way to play the race\culture card there.

Saying that I don't want illegal immigrants flooding my country doesn't mean I don't want legal ones to come.

Because I do. No problem with that.

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[offtopic]Please don't confuse backslashes and forward slashes. Using a backslash instead of a forward slash disrupts the visual flow of a sentence.[/offtopic]

Even though we may have similar political beliefs, more than once I've disagreed with you, lahi. This time is not one of them.

Game. Set. Match.

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[furtherofftopic]Not to me it doesn't--in fact, a backslash to me seems more visually in flow than a forward slash...but I guess my mind is just weird that way...I mean, I AM left-handed, after all, so I guess I see lots of things as backwards...[/furtherofftopic]

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Let me put it this way. They are entering without our permission. If you try to stop them then the ACLU sues you. They are abusing welfare bigtime. They may be doing the hard work for us now, but they won't want to do it forever. Every day 8 women are raped by illegals, 6 people are killed, and 4 children are molested. Some say they all come here to work but that is untrue. 25% of convicts in jail are illegal aliens. 25%! Our tax dollars are going into that. People say that english is a hard language but it's not. It's actually a fairly simple one. I would know considering I know Polish, a difficult language. Mandarin is REALLY hard language. If anyone claims I'm an immigrant hater then know that both my parents are immigrants. I don't mind legal ones but the illegal ones are the ones I dont want. Honest people who really want to make a living will attempt to get a green card through an embassy instead of doing it the cheap way. My parents did this and they don't like the people who took the jobs that they were trying to find by coming here legally. And who will replace the illegals? Well, people here legally on welfare. Convicts could do it. Amirica does have poor people who have compete with illigal immigrants willing to work under minimum wage.

Think about this.

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There are more employed illegal immigrants in America, then there are unemployed legal residents. This means, its not possible for us to pick up their slack, and that essentially we rely on them.

The main problem with them being here, is that they drive wages down for unskilled labour. I think amnesty would be a good idea, because it would raise their salaries to mininimun wage, making them less able to out compete native labour. They are here whether we like it or not, and legalizing them allows us superior ability to regulate and keep track of them.

We could regulate the amount of people taking our jobs if we built a wall. Illigals won't want to do the hard work for eternity. Back when we had slaves the slave owners assumed that their slaves would be content with doing work for eternity. They weren't. If we give amnesty they can bring their relatives in. We would have a massive amount of immigrants and this would cause unemployement.

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