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Interesting article on how gun control laws are being broken in states such as New York and New Jersey.

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Sounds like he has a point. Sometimes it seems like some really stupid laws are put in place denying otherwise alright people their right to carry a gun. The real problem is that it's an issue of "states' rights versus federal law". If Fedreal Law says something's ok, you can assume it is. I would really have to see the exact wording of both laws to say for certain if his rights were actually violated.

There are a lot of people who should not have guns, and I have no problem with convicted criminals being denied a right to carry a firearm.

Personally, I think that, if you're not a criminal, gun control should be hitting your target.

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I don't see why the guy needed his pistol with hollow-point bullets on a "relaxing road trip."

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Hollow points are good for personal defense, especially in close quarters. Regular ball ammo or full metal jacked ammo will shoot through a wall, endangering bystanders.

He carried the pistol for protection. A person has a right to defend themself. As far as I know, he has no criminal record.

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I know that people have the right to carry guns, but what I'm wondering is how much self-defending did he expect to have to do on his vacation?

I will admit that it's rather silly that he was locked up for carrying a gun in his locked luggage, but my point is he didn't really need to have it with him in the first place.

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He thought he needed it, and as a person who values my own protection, I can say that I don't really have a problem with it. However, one has to ask what good it was going to do him locked in a case. What was he going to do? Smack them up side the head with it?

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That's an interesting article. I actually think this guy has a case. As far as I can tell, he doesn't have a criminal record, and just keeps his gun for self-defense.

Jitka, I agree with you that it might seem silly to have a gun on his vacation, but you really never know in this world. There are creeps and criminals everywhere. I guess, to him, having a gun is having a way to defend yourself if the worst should happen.

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i don't think there's any good reason for anyone besides police to own guns; they should be made completely illegal.

That doesn't make much sense. If someone tried to come into your home and harm you or your family, wouldn't you want protection?

While I don't think they should be illegal, I do think that there should be restrictions on where they're kept. A fair few kids have died because they played with guns that their parents didn't keep in a safe place, and do we really want that to happen?

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No, it's not something we want to happen. Still, that's the result of the parent being irresponsible. That's why all guns manufactured by most manufacturers in America come with locks (some states require all new guns sold to come with locks, so rather than boxing guns by the state they go to, a lot of manufacturers find it easier to just put a trigger lock in every box). Of course, the best lock in the world has to be used.

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And a fair few kids have died from butcher knives. And shovels. And bikes. And latex balloons. And falling out of trees. And Slip N' Slides. And football. And candles.

i've seen no evidence that people who own guns are more protected than those who don't. quite the contrary, they're more likely to have guns stolen from their houses and used against them or against others, and more likely to accidentally shoot their own family anyway. just make any possession of a firearm a crime, and commission of gun crimes carry a minimum sentence. better yet, stop making guns except for police and military purposes.

SUVs too, for that matter.

the difference is that candles and footballs are not manufactured for the sole purpose of killing people.

Well... how about beer then? I would argue that it is just as much "manufactured solely to kill people" as guns are. My point is, neither of them are manufactured with the sole purpose being the death of human beings... that is an unfortunate side effect. However, this topic really goes back to the early days of the US.

The founding fathers felt that it was extremely important for the public to be able to bear arms (and defend themselves if necessary). Why else would it be the second amendment in the Bill of Rights? It even appears before things that most of you wouldn't dream of doing away with... right to fair and just punishment, no illegal search and/or seizure. (for those less familar with the BoR, check this out http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution ... ights.html or you can always hit up wikipedia). In fact... the only topic that precedes this right is the 4 freedoms (religion, press, speech, assemble).

I think that speaks volumes about the right to bear arms (rawr) and to form a militia.

Of course there should be exceptions to this. I fail to see the purpose for fully automatic weapons in the hands of the general public (hence their current legality). I also feel that there should be restrictions put on convicted criminals (as there already are). I also strongly feel that the parents of children that cause accidents from improperly secured guns should be held fully responsible. I don't even mean for actions committed only by their children. If someone breaks into your house and is able to steal your gun (which isn't secured properly... gun safe anyone? I am mainly talking about the people who leave it in their nightstands, under their pillows, umm... in the fridge /shrug: I dunno) and commits a crime with it, that person should face some sort of punishment.

It is getting late here, and I just finished an 11 hour shift. So... this post might be a little long. However, this is one of those few rights that I have serious problems with people touching.

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i dont like gun control... because of gun control i cant legally own a Minigun or an M1 Garand, or my Thompson M1A1...

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You can own all of those legally.

The minigun and the thompson would require a "Class 3" license.

The M1 Garand, if you can find them, can be bought by anyone. You can buy them directly from military surplus, provided you meet some requirements.

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woah! how do i get a "Class 3" license?

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Argh. Guns. One of the reasons I like being Aussie is the law that basically bans guns. I'm not exactly a full on left-wing righteous hippie, but I do have my beliefs, which follow:
1) Guns = crap
2) War = crap
3) McDonalds = crap [Doesn't stop me from eating it ]
4) George Bush = crap
5) ER = crap
6) Kurt Cobain = Awesomaticall and stuff

PS: It isn't spelled 'Woah'. It's Whoa. God that annoys me x[

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ER is not crap!! Well... yes it is. But I still watch.

Yeah, Australia rules, in that respect. No guns.

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And you realy think you'll have time to go find your gun? Thives don't exactly knock on the door, you know.

And besides, if everybody had guns for "protection", then all the thives would have guns, too.

Yes, it is true that people don't just knock on the door, BUT, you don't keep whatever form of protection in some place where you have to look for it.
Of course, nothing I have was of any use to me last fall when I walked out of the kitchen and saw a dude standing in my living room. Of course, nothing I had would have mattered anyway as he bolted as soon as he saw me.

Either way, though, that doesn't disprove anything about owning something for defense.

As much as some people don't like it, the right to own firearms is in the constitution. Right there, number 2 in the bill of rights. I don't have a problem with some forms of gun control, though. I don't see a problem with convicted felons, mentally defective individuals, drug users, people convicted of domestic violence, etc. being barred from owning a firearm.

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I've never been a big fan of gun control. Criminals will always be able to obtain firearms, and if you take guns out of the hands of the citizens, you're giving armed criminals exactly what they want. 98% of the time, a gun doesn't even have to be fired in order to discourage a criminal.

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Here's my stand.

In my own eye's I don't like guns, or any kind of weapon. But I believe that a person has the right to self-defence. This includes the right to own fire arms.

Though of course, you should keep it well locked if you have children, and loose the right if you are a criminal. And you should be trusted with owning one.

Wether or not I will own one I do not know, but I believe this to be citizens right.

P.S. I live in America, so I suppose that's how I have my views.

Yeah, I have opinions, just like everyone else.

Let's say that guns are bad. I don't like hunting, even though I fish. I don't like them, they bring a lot of evil into the world than good. I think they are only good in war.

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What about guns in the hands of police officers? Bad there, too?

You're kidding , right?

Come on Lahi. We're trying to keep this debate serious

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You're right. I was being facetious when I posted that. Nothing like a little over-the-top-non-factual information to get the blood pumping in the morning, eh?

I am still curious about topofsm's take on policemen\women using guns in their line of work. Or Secret Service agents. Or members of the FBI.

That kinda reminds me of the Koran 9/11 thing that was going around. And remember, 43% of all statistics are made up on the spot, and 50% of the time it works all the time.

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