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 Post subject: Looking forward to election of '08
PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:24 pm 
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We're not quite there yet but I wanna see bush get kicked out of office, I'm making a guess on Al sharpton running again, I mean c'mon, there has to be a comeback that he hopes for, Howie dean I think, Al gore, there was some talk about Hillary running, Kerry and gephardt are just ideals, just TWIT.
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Man, Id rather have anyone than hillary clinton as president cause she is a b****

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i say Nader.

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Not cool, Schwartz. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary got elected--she certainly has this power about her.

Since I'm 17 right now, '08 will be my first federal election. Guess I'll have to start following the campaigns... ;)

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IantheGecko wrote:

Since I'm 17 right now, '08 will be my first federal election. Guess I'll have to start following the campaigns... ;)


Same for me.

I'm probably voting Libertarian as a matter of protest. Depending on who the Republican candidate is, of course. If I had to have a Democrat be president, I'd want Dean. He's cool.


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Number A: Bush will not be "kicked out of office". No matter how much you dislike the President, he was elected twice by the American people and will step down as required by the term limit law.

Number B: I love Howard Dean. His implosion in 2004 was fun to watch.

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Number A: Bush will not be "kicked out of office". No matter how much you dislike the President, he was elected twice by the American people and will step down as required by the term limit law.

Number B: I love Howard Dean. His implosion in 2004 was fun to watch.

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And i counter that with http://iadean.ytmnd.com/

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I've heard Bill Frist and John McCain are emerging as two Republicans. Personally, I'd like to see McCain, probably the most moderate candidate to run in a while, but since America has to be either right or left (no moderates allowed, it seems) Frist is probably going to be the GOP's candidate. He's likeable, and a lot less "right" than some republican candidates have been..

It'd be nice to see Condi run, just to see how the democratic party would react. Typically, they're the party that panders to minorities. It'd be funny to see what they're strategy would be.

Unfortunately Hillary's probably going to win, just because people are stupid enough to vote for her, just because she's Hillary Clinton.

Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to Bill running again (if only it was legal).

I'll probably vote libertarian, too. Except for their stance on abortion, I don't know that I have much problem with them. I mean, when you think about it, the pretty much stand for what both of the major parties say THEY stand for.

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I've heard Bill Frist and John McCain are emerging as two Republicans. Personally, I'd like to see McCain, probably the most moderate candidate to run in a while, but since America has to be either right or left (no moderates allowed, it seems) Frist is probably going to be the GOP's candidate. He's likeable, and a lot less "right" than some republican candidates have been..


Ugh...I'd never vote for Bill Frist in my life. I said it before and I'll say it again: Any candidate that's against gay marriage won't ever get my vote.

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Number B: I love Howard Dean. His implosion in 2004 was fun to watch.
That wasn't his fault. The media did not want him to run for president. He's infamous "YEEAAAAAH!" was completely misunderstood. Howard was speaking to a college rally at Iowa State. He was trying to fire up a bunch off college kids.

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Frist is probably going to be the GOP's candidate. He's likeable, and a lot less "right" than some republican candidates have been.
I wouldn't say that. He has a few things going against him. Right now he is being investigated for insider trading. He was also one of the leaders in the Terri Schivo debacle. Not to mention he is not really that strong of a candidate. There are some better ones that can run. If I were the Republicans I would go with some one without that many skeletons.

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If I were the Republicans I would go with some one without that many skeletons.
Dude, for the Republicans (or Democrats) to find a candidate like that, they're gonna have to ignore anyone in DC..

As for Schivo, there was no right side of that debate. You had a family's wishes versus a husband's wishes. If she woulda only made her wishes known to more than her husband, there would have been no debate.

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The media did not want him to run for president.


Um... why not? What vendetta does the entire media have against Dean?

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He's infamous "YEEAAAAAH!" was completely misunderstood. Howard was speaking to a college rally at Iowa State. He was trying to fire up a bunch off college kids.


Fair enough, but it still made him look like a doof. If Bush had said the same words with the same tone and the same "Yeeeeargh!" at the end, you'd be here making fun of him today.

Howard Dean wrote:
"Not only are we going to New Hampshire, Tom Harkin, we're going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico, and we're going to California and Texas and New York … And we're going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan. And then we're going to Washington, D.C., to take back the White House! Yeaaaaagggggh!!!"


Other fun Dean quotes:

Mr. Dean wrote:
"You think the Republican National Committee could get this many people of color in a single room? Only if they had the hotel staff in here."

"I was recently asked about the difference between the Democratic and Republican parties," When it comes right down to it, the essential difference is that the Democrats fundamentally believe it is important to make sure that American Jews feel comfortable being American Jews."

"[The Republicans] are a pretty monolithic party. They all behave the same. They all look the same. It's pretty much a white Christian party."


In response to Dean's last quote, Democrat Senator Barack Obama criticized Dean for using "religion to divide." Obama said "as somebody who is a Christian myself, I don't like it when people use religion to divide, whether that is Republican or Democrat,...I think in terms of his role as party spokesman, Dean probably needs to be a little more careful and I suspect that is a message he is going to be getting from a number of us." He also said "we are at a time in our country's history that inclusive language is better than exclusive language."

Excellent thoughts, Senator Obama.

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If I were the Republicans I would go with some one without that many skeletons.
Dude, for the Republicans (or Democrats) to find a candidate like that, they're gonna have to ignore anyone in DC..
Well, the Governor of Mass., Mitt Romney could work. He has no connections in D.C.. He is pretty moderate. Not to mention he became governor of one of the most liberal states in the Union. Another one could be Rudy Guliani(sp). He is well liked. Very moderate. The only thing that would stop him is if Hillary ran. He and Hillary are real good friends.

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Um... why not? What vendetta does the entire media have against Dean?
Because he was against the major Media conglomerates. Dean wanted to break them up.

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Because he was against the major Media conglomerates. Dean wanted to break them up.


I didn't know that. It appears I agree with at least some of Dean's positions. :)

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Well, the Governor of Mass., Mitt Romney could work.


As far as I can tell, the only thing anyone has on this guy is that he's Mormon. The hardcore rightwingers will let that get in the way and make it hard for him in the primaries.

Should be interesting.

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If Bush had said the same words with the same tone and the same "Yeeeeargh!" at the end, you'd be here making fun of him today.


But we already have plenty of fun quotes from Mr. Bush that we use to make fun of him.

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i wouldn't like to see frist win because he's kind of nutty. he's getting more and more right and i think some of his constituents are becoming frustrated with him (just speculation). i am not a republican at all (as forumers who read my posts know) but i am actually a fan of john mccain, because he honestly has a lot of interesting positions that i tend to agree with. i like his moderate-ness even though im ususally pretty leftist.

i would also like al gor to give it a try because i think he could do well, but especially if he has a sense of humor about himself and runs as sort of an anti-candidate. i don't mean that he should sling mud or not take it seriously, but i think if he does run he shouldn't start stumping early like a lot do and that would be very interesting to me. i think the '08 election has some really interesting possibilities because there is no heir apparent or even really a frontrunner yet for either party.


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I remember hearing something during the 2004 election about what one person's opinion was on if Hilary woud run. His conclusion was that if she ran, the Repubilcan candidate would win. This was, as he said, because instead of unifying the Democratic party, she would split it in two. Just as you'd have people voting for her because they would like to have a woman president, you would also have people not voting for her because they don't want a woman president, or at least not her. Plus, you have people who love or hate the Clintons and all the other details. Ultimately though, as he said, it would succeed in getting her half or so of the Democratic vote, and certainly not very many Undecideds'.

Mind you, I'm conveying somebody else's opinion, regardless of my own personal beliefs, whether they be similar or not. It is an interesting point, though.


Edit: Actually, something I think would be interesting would be Condi against Hillary.

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Any campaign that is not Hillary Clinton may win the 2008 election.

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Normally I prefer Democrats, but if Hillary runs, I won't vote for her, unless the Republican candidate is really bad. I would love to see McCain run. I'd vote for him in a second.

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I'm interested. As someone who's quite conservative, I wouldn't vote for Hilary in any situation, but I'm intrigued that someone who normally votes Democrat wouldn't choose her over most Republican candidates.

Why?

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I'm interested. As someone who's quite conservative, I wouldn't vote for Hilary in any situation, but I'm intrigued that someone who normally votes Democrat wouldn't choose her over most Republican candidates.

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Because she's a Socialist!

Seriously, Hilary's probably not going to win... and if she does, I'm leaving the country. Has she even confirmed that she's running?


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That's what this says:

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lahimatoa wrote:
I'm interested. As someone who's quite conservative, I wouldn't vote for Hilary in any situation, but I'm intrigued that someone who normally votes Democrat wouldn't choose her over most Republican candidates.

Why?

Well, I do agree with a lot of her views, but I just don't think she'd make a good president. Plus I lost a lot of respect for her when she allied herself with Jack Thompson. Even aside from the basic video game issue, anyone who would associate themselves with someone so obviously foolish as Jack Thompson is not someone who I want running the country.

BTW, if you go to the site from that image, it says:
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So she may not have announced she is running yet.

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If Hillary Clinton runs for president, I would DEFINITELY not vote for her for two reasons

1) I'm a Republican

2) I just don't like what she does. She even stated that a bag of pot is healthier for kids than playing video games (I'm a gamer)


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So she may not have announced she is running yet.


True enough. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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There was a fiercely conservative friend of mine who said she would have voted a thousand times for Kerry before voting for Hillary. I feel the same way.

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2) I just don't like what she does. She even stated that a bag of pot is healthier for kids than playing video games (I'm a gamer)

Cant argue with that Logic! ;)

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yeah im not a huge fan of hillary but i'd vote for her, depending on the circumstance. i hate the above position on video games, but she's not all bad. plus part of the problem is that she ISN'T a socialist (whoever mentioned that) because she really isn't that far left. socialism is a hard term to use as an insult for someone because all it means is that someone favors a government that provides an array of social programs like switzerland (free healthcare, free public education thru university, good system of public transit, etc.) anyway, hillary really isn't nearly far enough left to be a socialist, she's actually more moderate of a dem in a lot of situations (much more moderate than kerry) but not quite like joe lieberman (im from CT and i hate that guy but thats a separate story.)


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In 2008, I'm really only concerned with whether or not Jeb Bush and/or Bill Frist run. I still think Bill Frist is the Antichrist, and we don't need another Bush.

Honestly, while I don't think Hillary would be a horrifically bad president, I'd rather see Al Gore run again. I think he'd win again, especially with all of the positive feedback from his documentary.

Plus, he appeared on Futurama and SNL. How could you not vote for the guy? :mrgreen:

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