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I meant that because Christianity preaches that there is only one God, it cannot accept the god(s) of any other religions as legitimate. Even if the other religions only have one god, as well.

Unless, of course, the God of two religions are one and the same. But that isn't the case; Christianity's triune god doesn't mesh with Judaism or Islam. There are a massive number of other incompatibilities as well.

I don't know if someone has mentioned this yet, but isn't Christianity based off of Judaism and thus, it would be justifiable to say that they do mesh. I say based off of, because Jesus was born a Jew. Unless, I don't understand your interpretation of mesh...

Actually, there's a growing number of Christian Jews who call themselves "Messianics." Check out Jews for Jesus and Apple of His Eye, for example.

I don't understand Christian Jews...I mean, if the only main difference between Christians and Jews is accepting Jesus as the Savior prophesized about in the Old Testament, then why don't they just call themselves Christians and be done with it?

I guess I'm an agnostic...But I'm thinking of converting to something. Reason? I'm sick of having nothing to belive in. Nothing to look forward to.

If you're going to keep insisting that atheism is a religion, I can't possibly take you seriously in this debate. That something can't be proven beyond all doubt does NOT mean that it is a matter of religious faith, and if you think it is, and continue to insist that it is, then I'm wasting my time trying to debate with you.

Does anyone know where "toastpaint" came from?

1. What do I believe in?

I believe in mothers, bread, and oranges. (If anyone knows what I'm referencing, I will totally give them a prize.

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But really, I don't believe in any higher power or Creationism. I consider myself to be an agnostic, but kind of an athiest, too. (an Agnathiest?).

2. Why do I believe it?

This is actually my 3rd attempt at answering this question. I just can't seem to find the right words. I feel that the idea of a god or gods isn't logical, and it doesn't make sense. I mean, if a god created everything, how'd the god get there? I really wish I could explain my view better. I guess I just find Agnosticism as a realistic approach to the creation of life, whereas Creationism seems more storybook-esque.

3. Do I believe it's true?

Well... yeah.

4. And if, what you believe in, might happen to not be true. How would you respond?

Well, I guess I'd have to adapt myself to whatever religion was right. But I'm not sure I could. My mind is so set in Agnosticism that anything else would send my whole world into disarray.

Almost all agnostics are also atheists, by defintion, since they don't believe in gods, so you're not alone there. I wish that were a word too, but I think it's just called boring old "agnostic atheism".

Agnosticism is the philosophical view that the (truth) values of certain claims—particularly theological claims regarding the existence of God, gods, or deities—are unknown, inherently unknowable, or incoherent, and therefore, (some agnostics may go as far as to say) irrelevant to life.

2. Because it's obvious that Christianity is right.

Author:	EveryoneLovesStevenRight? [ Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:27 am ]
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1. What do you believe in? i am catholic so i believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit 2. Why do you believe it? Because i was raised to believe in God 3. Do you believe it's true? Oh yes.. of course... Jesus died to open the gates of Heaven... 4. And if, what you believe in, might happen to not be true. How would you respond? wow.. i don't know what i'd do.. i'd cry and say my whole life is a lie... everything i believed in, studied and everything i did to have a great life... for nothing.

Author:	Steve [ Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:54 am ]
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1. I am a non-denominational Christian/spiritualist/Buddhist/Overall Enlightenist: The primary belief in one God, Jesus as his son. The belief in Spirits as beings of God (Dagda: Spirit and protector of Nature, Lorilonda: Spirit and protectress of fertility and Nature, The Saints: Lower spirits of semi-enlightened qualities; representing numerous aspects of life). The belief in psychic abilities as being a gift of God and the Son. The belief in reincarnation of a soul, binding with another individual, creating a piggy-back with another individual in an attempt at reaching to God's kingdom through his mercy. The idea of ascension as a possible hidden trait given by god that we may all ascend at some point in the genetic line without death or enlightenment. The belief that true enlightened souls at the highest point ascend to heaven (Jesus, Mohamed, and Buddha). All beings ascend at some point, unless, on the rare occasion, that their souls are so tainted that the don't deserve that higher state of being (Satan). 2. I believe it because of the compiled ideals I have acquired over the years. This makes most sense to me. 3. Yes, to me knowledge, why wouldn't it be true? 4. If I were wrong, I would just conform to what is true. I don't believe you can prove me wrong.

Author:	IantheGecko [ Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:31 am ]
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Jesus Himself said that He is "The Way, the Truth, and the Life", Steve. No one comes to the Father except through Him; therefore, Jesus and His teachings are the only way to Heaven.

Author:	What's Her Face [ Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:05 pm ]
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I will have to answer "haven't got a clue" to all those questions. When it comes to discussing the intellectual construct of spiritual belief, I could talk until the cows come home. But when it comes to having any spirituality of my own, I've got nothing. At all.

Author:	Cybernetic Teenybopper [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:59 am ]
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1. What do you believe in? Spiritually, nothing that really resembles any currently reckognizable religion. I suppose that you could almost think of it as a form of shamanism, if you really wanted to. Maybe blend it with a little generic New Age. Basically, I believe that I have my own specific "totem" spirit or goddess who watches and protects me, but she also watches the others. I'm also inclined to believe more in a Celtic sort of circle of gods than a single God. I just can't see the world being put together by one person. (Please don't read too much into that.) 2. Why do you believe it? For a reason which many have already mention--they feel it in the very pit of of their soul. I have felt the touch of my "totem," her reassurance, and and that other spiritual gobbledeegook. I won't bore you with my oddity. 3. Do you believe it's true? I believe in a way in line with Gidley--it's the spirituality that's important, not the details. It's like M-theory in science--the parts are really pieces of a cognizant whole. 4. And if, what you believe in, might happen to not be true. How would you respond? Then I would continue my spiritual pilgrimage in search of that one religion that fits my spiritual needs.

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Author:	IantheGecko [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:54 am ]
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1. See Didy. 2. The Holy Spirit has revealed it to me and placed it in my heart. Besides, there's historical evidence to back up Jesus' life. 3. Yes; Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. 4. Also see Didy.

Author:	gwr2004 [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:12 am ]
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I believe in absolutely nothing but concrete, scientific evidence. That's just my take on the world.

Author:	Mr. Sparkle [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:10 am ]
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1. I believe in Christ and what He stood for. Some call it Christianity. 2. I believe that Christ would not want people to be excluded, and the Church does not think this is so. 3. Yes, because it's likely that the writers of the Bible may not have been speaking writing with the voice of God. 4. I am adhering to the morals that are truly in the will of Christ and the Lord.

Author:	DeathlyPallor [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:19 am ]
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1: I believe life is meaningless unless you give it meaning 2: I do believe in spell-casting and magic (some spell it with a K... that is if you read those tacky Silver Ravenwolf books... frickin fluffy bunnies) 3: I believe all religions have some redeemable qualities 4: I believe that if you are bad to others, it will reflect back upon you even worse, whether it be now or later 5: I believe a spiritual path must be carved on one's own, the decision cannot be made or forced upon you by proselytizing or scare tactics (i.e. fire and brimstone)

Author:	StrongRad [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:55 pm ]
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1. What do you believe in?- I'm a Christian. I believe that God, our creator, loved the world enough that he sent his only son to die for our sins. On the 3rd day, Christ came back from the dead and ascended into heaven. He will return. Those who believe in him and live according to his rules will spend eternity in Heaven. A pretty sucky eternity awaits those who don't. I DON'T believe religion can be forced on anyone. I don't hold prejudices against gays, women, or minorities. I believe that anyone who says Chrisitans support these prejudices should examine their own prejudices. Granted, some Christians may, but to judge all on the behaviours of some is rather prejudiced (which is funny, because that's what they are accusing my people of..). 2. Why do you believe it?- I believe it because I do. The sheer tenacity with which some resist/preach against it further reinforces my belief that I am correct. 3. Do you believe it's true?- Of course. Why would I believe it if it wasn't correct? Why would I put up with the crap I do for believing if I didn't believe it to be true? 4. And if, what you believe in, might happen to not be true. How would you respond? -Probably not change a lot. Most of my beliefs revolve around trying to make the world a better place. I see no reason to not continue that. Of course, this is assuming Christianity would be proven false. It's not gonna happen, though.

Author:	Pop_tire1 [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:50 pm ]
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Eldiran wrote: I meant that because Christianity preaches that there is only one God, it cannot accept the god(s) of any other religions as legitimate. Even if the other religions only have one god, as well. Unless, of course, the God of two religions are one and the same. But that isn't the case; Christianity's triune god doesn't mesh with Judaism or Islam. There are a massive number of other incompatibilities as well. I don't know if someone has mentioned this yet, but isn't Christianity based off of Judaism and thus, it would be justifiable to say that they do mesh. I say based off of, because Jesus was born a Jew. Unless, I don't understand your interpretation of mesh...

Author:	PieMax [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:53 pm ]
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Pop_tire1 wrote: I don't know if someone has mentioned this yet, but isn't Christianity based off of Judaism and thus, it would be justifiable to say that they do mesh. I say based off of, because Jesus was born a Jew. Unless, I don't understand your interpretation of mesh... Basically. But Jews don't believe in Jesus as their savior. They're still waiting. We as Christians believe we are saved because of Christ. It may not seem like much of a difference, but It's huge in the longrun.

Author:	Didymus [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:41 pm ]
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Actually, there's a growing number of Christian Jews who call themselves "Messianics." Check out Jews for Jesus and Apple of His Eye, for example.

Author:	PianoManGidley [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:06 pm ]
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Didymus wrote: Actually, there's a growing number of Christian Jews who call themselves "Messianics." Check out Jews for Jesus and Apple of His Eye, for example. I don't understand Christian Jews...I mean, if the only main difference between Christians and Jews is accepting Jesus as the Savior prophesized about in the Old Testament, then why don't they just call themselves Christians and be done with it?

Author:	Didymus [ Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:19 pm ]
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It's more of a language thing. You see, messiach and xristos both mean "Anointed One." They also tend to use Jesus' Hebrew name, Y'shua. It's sort of their way of preserving their Hebrew culture while embracing the Christian faith.

Author:	exquisite_tea [ Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:09 am ]
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Author:	Didymus [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:39 am ]
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Thank you, Spork.

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Author:	Didymus [ Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:19 am ]
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And just exactly what is that supposed to mean?

Author:	Occasional JD [ Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:29 pm ]
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I guess I'm an agnostic...But I'm thinking of converting to something. Reason? I'm sick of having nothing to belive in. Nothing to look forward to.

Author:	Mike D [ Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:02 pm ]
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PianoManGidley wrote: I don't understand Christian Jews...I mean, if the only main difference between Christians and Jews is accepting Jesus as the Savior prophesized about in the Old Testament, then why don't they just call themselves Christians and be done with it? Bear in mind that Jewishness is a cultural identity as well as a religion. The vast majority of Jews were born Jews. Jews who fail to practice their faith, or even renounce it, are still Jews. Christian Jews often want to preserve their cultural heritage, so to them the distiction is very important. Mike

Author:	Simon Zeno [ Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:20 pm ]
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Occasional JD wrote: I guess I'm an agnostic...But I'm thinking of converting to something. Reason? I'm sick of having nothing to belive in. Nothing to look forward to. I know the feeling well. But, I'm never going to change what I believe in order to convert to something. If I find a religion that I already agree with completely, then I'll convert.

Author:	Didymus [ Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:41 pm ]
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Actually, Yeltensic, everything you said up there is your belief, since, as Kef has stated elsewhere, your position cannot be proven beyond all doubt. Furthermore, as I stated in another thread, there is evidence to contradict your position, despite your efforts to dismiss it.

Author:	PianoManGidley [ Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:49 pm ]
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Yeltensic wrote: If you're going to keep insisting that atheism is a religion, I can't possibly take you seriously in this debate. That something can't be proven beyond all doubt does NOT mean that it is a matter of religious faith, and if you think it is, and continue to insist that it is, then I'm wasting my time trying to debate with you. Note that Didymus' last post did not contain the words "religion" or "faith," nor did he say that Atheism was a "religion" or a "faith"--he merely said that atheism is a belief, which, by dictionary definition, is true. We have established that there is no concrete evidence to show that any sort of God or spiritual realm does or does not exist--no evidence either way. Therefore, to assert firmly that there is no God takes a certain amount of belief, no matter how you slice it. It may, in your eyes and the eyes of many others, take less belief than, say, Christianity, but that does not mean that it is not a belief at all.

Author:	Didymus [ Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:24 pm ]
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If you wish to distinguish between religious faith and other types of faith, that's fine by me. But from the way you word your posts, you seem to be insisting that your atheism is no matter of faith at all, i.e., that it is already proven. And if this is what you insist, then I likewise do not wish to discuss the topic with you. At with that, TOASTPAINT.

Author:	Einoo T. Spork [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:35 am ]
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Yeltensic wrote: Does anyone know where "toastpaint" came from? In short, yes.

Author:	Homeschool Winner [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:43 am ]
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1. What do I believe in? I believe in mothers, bread, and oranges. (If anyone knows what I'm referencing, I will totally give them a prize. ) But really, I don't believe in any higher power or Creationism. I consider myself to be an agnostic, but kind of an athiest, too. (an Agnathiest?). 2. Why do I believe it? This is actually my 3rd attempt at answering this question. I just can't seem to find the right words. I feel that the idea of a god or gods isn't logical, and it doesn't make sense. I mean, if a god created everything, how'd the god get there? I really wish I could explain my view better. I guess I just find Agnosticism as a realistic approach to the creation of life, whereas Creationism seems more storybook-esque. 3. Do I believe it's true? Well... yeah. 4. And if, what you believe in, might happen to not be true. How would you respond? Well, I guess I'd have to adapt myself to whatever religion was right. But I'm not sure I could. My mind is so set in Agnosticism that anything else would send my whole world into disarray.

Author:	Not A Fruit [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:03 am ]
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Homeschool Winner wrote: 1. What do I believe in? I believe in mothers, bread, and oranges. (If anyone knows what I'm referencing, I will totally give them a prize. ) But really, I don't believe in any higher power or Creationism. I consider myself to be an agnostic, but kind of an athiest, too. (an Agnathiest?). 2. Why do I believe it? This is actually my 3rd attempt at answering this question. I just can't seem to find the right words. I feel that the idea of a god or gods isn't logical, and it doesn't make sense. I mean, if a god created everything, how'd the god get there? I really wish I could explain my view better. I guess I just find Agnosticism as a realistic approach to the creation of life, whereas Creationism seems more storybook-esque. 3. Do I believe it's true? Well... yeah. 4. And if, what you believe in, might happen to not be true. How would you respond? Well, I guess I'd have to adapt myself to whatever religion was right. But I'm not sure I could. My mind is so set in Agnosticism that anything else would send my whole world into disarray. Amen brother. Everything you said there, I completely agree. And it's all the same for me, pretty much.

Author:	InterruptorJones [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:53 pm ]
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Yeltensic wrote: Almost all agnostics are also atheists, by defintion, since they don't believe in gods, so you're not alone there. I wish that were a word too, but I think it's just called boring old "agnostic atheism". That is patently false. To quote Wikipedia: Wikipedia wrote: Agnosticism is the philosophical view that the (truth) values of certain claims—particularly theological claims regarding the existence of God, gods, or deities—are unknown, inherently unknowable, or incoherent, and therefore, (some agnostics may go as far as to say) irrelevant to life. Another way to put it is that an agnostic believes that the existence or non-existence of god is impossible to prove (or disprove). That's a far cry from believing that god doesn't exist, i.e. atheism. And agnostic atheism is a different creature entirely. Of course, a good number of people who call themselves agnostic or atheist are mixing up their terms anyway.

Author:	Darth Katana X [ Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:38 pm ]
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1. God the Father, Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit. 2. Because it's obvious that Christianity is right. 3. Yes. 4. I'd believe in it even if it were "proven" false.

Author:	PianoManGidley [ Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:39 pm ]
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Darth Katana X wrote: 2. Because it's obvious that Christianity is right. Really? Care to share how it's obvious? I don't mean to belittle your beliefs or say that you shouldn't believe it, but claiming that it's so "obviously right" is like stating that it's proven fact...which could be construed as insulting to those of us who are not Christian.