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 Post subject: Re: Need munchies . . .
PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:56 pm 
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Why does the government have the right to tell me what I can and cannot put into my body? Why do we have to be protected from ourselves? I am an adult. If I makes stupid decisions it's my own fault. I pay my taxes and I won't hurt anybody else. I'm not going to drive while under the influence of anything. Joe Redneck boozes up every night while his kids hide in their bedroom because they are afraid of him, and I can't smoke a little weed on a Friday night and watch The Grateful Dead Movie with my girlfriend?


Maybe you wouldn't hurt anyone, but you're not every person in the US. There are definitely some dumb people who would get high on marijuana and do something that could hurt others. Some already do. Making it easier for others who don't already but could do something similar is a bad idea.


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 Post subject: Re: Need munchies . . .
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Why does the government have the right to tell me what I can and cannot put into my body? Why do we have to be protected from ourselves? I am an adult. If I makes stupid decisions it's my own fault. I pay my taxes and I won't hurt anybody else. I'm not going to drive while under the influence of anything. Joe Redneck boozes up every night while his kids hide in their bedroom because they are afraid of him, and I can't smoke a little weed on a Friday night and watch The Grateful Dead Movie with my girlfriend?


Maybe you wouldn't hurt anyone, but you're not every person in the US. There are definitely some dumb people who would get high on marijuana and do something that could hurt others. Some already do. Making it easier for others who don't already but could do something similar is a bad idea.


But I think Amorican's point is that there are already other things legal in America--such as alcohol (and in a previous post I made where I quoted an outside source, religion)--that make a percentage of the people using them do equally as destructive acts...and yet they remain legal.

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So? Two wrongs don't make a right. A large reason alcohol is still legal is because it's impossible to ban it now - it's a common practice. Allowing marijuana on top of that only causes more problems.


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I don't care about this at all, since I'm not a druggie (despite media allegations). But I think that if there's a large base of support on both sides of an issue, allowing something usually wins out over disallowing it. Not my opinion of what should happen, necessarily, but what I think will happen.

Also, marijuana isn't nearly as popular as alcohol, so comparisons between the two aren't necessarily going to be accurate.


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So? Two wrongs don't make a right.


No, but what's worse: the hypocrisy of banning marijuana while allowing other equally-destructive toxins to be freely ingested, or adding another such destructive toxin to the list of legal ways to slowly kill yourself?

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Doesn't red wine contain antioxidants? ;)

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I don't care about this at all, since I'm not a druggie (despite media allegations).


I think it's a mistake to not care about something merely because it doesn't apply to you. People do it all the time, myself included, because it's almost impossible not to. But it's still not really a good idea.

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Simon Zeno wrote:
I don't care about this at all, since I'm not a druggie (despite media allegations).


I think it's a mistake to not care about something merely because it doesn't apply to you. People do it all the time, myself included, because it's almost impossible not to. But it's still not really a good idea.

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Not to mention, through cause and effect, it can still effect you indirectly.


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PianoManGidley wrote:
Ju Ju Master wrote:
So? Two wrongs don't make a right.


No, but what's worse: the hypocrisy of banning marijuana while allowing other equally-destructive toxins to be freely ingested, or adding another such destructive toxin to the list of legal ways to slowly kill yourself?


I wouldn't call it hypocrisy. Drinking alcohol has always been a common practice. Doing drugs, not so much. You read a lot about wine in old writings, but I myself have never seen the mention of drugs - I don't doubt that there is some mention of them, but the consumption of alcohol is much more common. Throughout the years, it stayed just as common, while doing drugs was, while possible, not practiced as much. It's only natural that, when the US was formed, citizens would be free to drink alcohol - it wouldn't be thought twice about - whereas harmful drugs, being less common, were later banned. Alcohol was allowed simply because it had already been allowed earlier - the traditions moved into the new country.

Besides, can you call it hypocrisy if you didn't do it? Those who made the selling pf drugs illegal were not the same people who allowed alcohol or repealed the 19th (I believe) amendment. We're learning from others' mistakes - is that a crime?


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Ju Ju Master wrote:
So? Two wrongs don't make a right.


No, but what's worse: the hypocrisy of banning marijuana while allowing other equally-destructive toxins to be freely ingested, or adding another such destructive toxin to the list of legal ways to slowly kill yourself?
Well, the reason I wouldn't want alcohol or smoking banned right now is because it wouldn't be fair to the people already legally doing it. There are people addicted to MJ right now (illegally), but there are people who are addicted to smoking and drinking right now too who haven't broken the law. If not for that, I would want at least smoking (maybe not alcohol, because it is not as harmful as smoking marijuana since it's not smoking, then again there is the risk of drunk driving which probably kills as many people as smoking), but since that doesn't apply to marijuana, it's okay not to allow it.

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Those who made the selling pf drugs illegal were not the same people who allowed alcohol or repealed the 19th (I believe) amendment.
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I believe that, because we are in a free country, people should have the freedom to smoke marijuana. I believe that people should be able to do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't physically hurt anyone else, and that it shouldn't be the government's job to baby the people who knowingly and willingly hurt themselves.

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...as long as it doesn't physically hurt anyone else


And it can.


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I suggest they make a restriction to youngsters.

21 > = yes. 21< = No.


Or something like that.

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I think marijuana should be illegal completely, even to those over 21. The reason why smoking and perhaps alcohol is not illegal is simply because it is impossible to outlaw. Both are far too widespread to be illegal. People would simply continue to smoke or drink with little threat of being punished. Marijuana, however, is not widespread, and thus I think we should stop it before it becomes more mainstream then it is now.

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Tian wrote:
I suggest they make a restriction to youngsters.

21 > = yes. 21< = No.


Or something like that.


You want people under 21 to be able to smoke pot, while people over 21 can't?

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Marijuana, however, is not widespread...


Umm...what? It might not be as common and widespread as cigarettes or alcohol, but it still is PLENTY widespread.

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Marijuana, however, is not widespread

ORLY? (now with facts!)

The gist of that is: by the end of high school, half of people have tried it. And here's one that says by four years after high school it's up to 5/8ths of people. Daily use isn't widespread of course, but get up into how many people used it in the last month or especially the year before the survey, and to acheive those numbers it can't be something you have to go to shady dudes in trenchcoats in back alleys in the inner city to find.

I'm not trying to get people to use it (hecks no).. just trying to dispel the myths given out by teachers, parents, and corny anti-drug "special episodes". The guy smoking once a day could be the one getting 100s on his AP Calculus BC tests or a stoned out loser. If you smoke weed, you're not gonna go out and kill someone or run over your neighbor's dog or get a serious cocaine jones all of a sudden. But you shouldn't smoke for the same reason you shouldn't be addicted to anything: cocaine, alcohol, cigarrettes, caffeine, video games, etc: addictions are things people do to run from problems rather than dealing with them (Like me, the internet, and these stupid history essays). And, by the way, there's all the same health risks as with smoking. And you start acting like a pothead, which is really annoying to any not-high people around you (no, that nonsense you're spouting is NOT the answer to all life's problems.. it's hardly even intelligible, let alone intelligent).

Anyway, I actually brought some stats this time. They weren't as high as my personal experience would have suggested, but it's still a solid majority. If you're basing an argument about keeping marijuana illegal based on it not being widespread... well... it is widespread. Pick a different reason.

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You want people under 21 to be able to smoke pot, while people over 21 can't?

Opposite of that.

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You want people under 21 to be able to smoke pot, while people over 21 can't?

Opposite of that.


I figured as much, but you wrote it wrong.

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I don't see how it was written incorrectly.


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Tian wrote:
I suggest they make a restriction to youngsters.

(emphasis added) This technically means that only youngsters would have access...

Tian wrote:
21 > = yes. 21< = No.

...but this means exactly what Tian meant it to mean.

er.. anyway...

EDIT (so as not to break TP): OK, I see what you're saying.. from a strict math point of view it's not correct, but if you say it out loud, in English it can read as "21 [or] greater then yes, 21 [or] less then no", ">" meaning "greater" and "<" meaning "less". Since I'm going for a language-type degree and not a math one, I read it language-wise instead of math-wise.

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21 > = yes. 21< = No.

...but this means exactly what Tian meant it to mean.

er.. anyway...


Meh....maybe I AM reading it wrong...I figured that 21> (implied "x" here, where "x" equals a person's age)=yes...which I read as people aged less than 21 (note the open alligator mouth facing the 21) should be allowed to smoke marijuana...and the other half, 21< (implied "x" again)= No, meaning people aged greater than 21 (the alligator mouth is facing the "x" variable now) are not allowed to smoke marijuana...

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PianoMan is correct. 21 > =yes means that 20.999... is the biggest yes can apply for. 21 < = no means that 21.000...1 is the smallest number no can apply to.

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Allow me to clarify. Marijuana is widespread, but definitely not to the extent of alcohol or smoking. It was poor writing on my half, sorry

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Allow me to clarify. Marijuana is widespread, but definitely not to the extent of alcohol or smoking. It was poor writing on my half, sorry

actually, it is. Everyone in this country has tried Pot once. Thats everyone, everywhere, at a certain time in their teens, have smoked it. And if you haven't, the time will arise someday, probably soon, where you take a hit and decide weather you like it or you don't.

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First off... I don't like blanket statements like "Everyone I know has..." or "Everyone has once...", they really seem like they aren't well thought out and diminish your argument.

And while many people have tried out pot, how many adults do you know that use it? And out of the 5/8, how many continue to use it?

And for my argument about it not being widespread, quite frankly, if you look at other drugs, it isn't. Marijuana currently isn't being sold by the kilo in publicly owned stores (or at least legitimately), there aren't commercials saying that Marijuana made in South America are better then those made elsewhere, and there are no major companies who sell marijuana (again, at least not legitimately).

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Allow me to clarify. Marijuana is widespread, but definitely not to the extent of alcohol or smoking. It was poor writing on my half, sorry

actually, it is. Everyone in this country has tried Pot once. Thats everyone, everywhere, at a certain time in their teens, have smoked it. And if you haven't, the time will arise someday, probably soon, where you take a hit and decide weather you like it or you don't.
I'm sorry, but that is just wrong. I've never smoked pot, and I never will. Say I'm lying if you want, but I know it's true, and there are plenty of other people like me.

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Everyone in this country has tried Pot once. Thats everyone, everywhere, at a certain time in their teens, have smoked it. And if you haven't, the time will arise someday, probably soon, where you take a hit and decide weather you like it or you don't.


Your first sentence is simply a lie. Such a generalization is impossible to prove, and having never smoked it myself, easy for me to disprove. Then later you contradict it.

Make up your mind.


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And it's not a 'well, almost everyone' thing either. I can name literally hundreds of people who have never smoked pot and never will.

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And it's not a 'well, almost everyone' thing either. I can name literally hundreds of people who have never smoked pot and never will.

Even if you couldn't name hundreds of people, the "almost everyone" argument is pretty weak.

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