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We were talking about psychological addiction, and I thought you were saying since psychological addiction is still an addiction it should be treated like a physical addiction, so I provided counterexamples on that specific point.

Inverse Tiger wrote:

But I never said that marijuana should be illegal just because it is an addiction (before you said 'so should we ban the Internets?' and stuff). In fact, I don't think I've ever said marijuana should be illegal at all in this thread yet (but I do think it should stay how it is).

And there's such a thing as having fun whilst being aware of the world around you at the same time.

The panic attacks, anxiety, et cetera are all short-term effects that can be blamed on set and setting. First time users who are worried people will find out s/he's used the drug or is worried s/he will make an idiot of of him/herself will panic. In my experience, marijuana amplifies things and would amplify those worries (if the user is so wound up about the worry). I had to take an elevator and an escalator while high and my fear of heights got really, really bad when I thought about how high up I was.

Unfortunately, you can never get people who've smoked pot to tell you what actually happens, seeing as it totally screws with your judgment. How, then, can we get conclusive facts on marijuana's effects on the psyche? Besides what we get from watching people who are high?

Like I said, you can't accurately describe what you felt whilst on pot, because your perception and judgment is so distorted. Therefore, there seems to be no way to get information on how a person really feels while stoned, and tests and observation can't tell you everything.

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Usually just spouting off about Communism, Philosophy, random junk, and meanings to songs

Dude, you ALWAYS do that!

It should be illegal. Long-term use can cause the IQ to drop, leading sometimes to mental retardation (as I said before, and yes, it's proven.), it can cause panic attacks, paranoia and anxiety (I suffer from those already, not from marijuana use, but I don't think I want people around me having the same happening to them) I have seen the effects of this drug. I knew a guy who was very bright and logical, and a great conversationalist. He's been smoking pot for about a year now, and he's begun dressing like he doesn't care, bathing less, and his best comebacks (which used to often be middle-english) are now things like 'Your face'.

I think that if marijuana becomes legalized and treated like no big deal, our society will fall into complete and utter idiocy and chaos. People seem to constantly be trying to find some excuse, 'Oh, it's not dangerous.' 'Not nearly as bad as alcohol!' and I've even heard 'Your intelligence comes back, it just takes a while..'

IQ can't go up. Even once it's fallen from what it originally was.

I've even heard 'It helps me find myself.'

You'll never find yourself in a world of delusion and disorientation.

Why must people use illusions induced by some drug to escape from reality? If you're already capable of living a decent life, just being depressed or something doesn't give you the right to fall into an even deeper pit. And there's such a thing as having fun whilst being aware of the world around you at the same time.

Yeesh.

the poster of Pink Floyd The Wall I have creeps me out

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:

the poster of Pink Floyd The Wall I have creeps me out

Is it this poster? This is the poster I have on my wall. The same thing used to happen to me when I would smoke. Sometimes I had to leave the room. One benefit of the poster is that it scares my apartment manager so she doesn't come around too often.

1. No. It's not. Find one reputable source (NOT .com and NOT creationist) that says how it's been 'proven'.
2. The Netherlands has had it legal for years, and they have a . The United States also had it legal up until the 1930s. Did the bad marihuana cause the white man to enslave the Africans?
3.It's a drug. Alcohol is a drug, painkillers are drugs. Being a drug does not make something illegal. Notice how relaxed laws have become (heard of Bonnaroo?) And how much less harsh anti-drug PSAs have become (compare http://www.archive.org/details/Terrible1951 To http://www.archive.org/details/tv_ad32004.

Short-term effects include memory and learning problems, distorted perception, and difficulty thinking and solving problems.

It should either become leagel or stay illeagel and smoking becomes illeagel. Why should the government get to choose which drugs people can use?

sci-fi greg wrote:

It should either become leagel or stay illeagel and smoking becomes illeagel. Why should the government get to choose which drugs people can use?

Because we vote for those people and those people are supposed to act on our behalf.

Author:	ed 'lim' smilde [ Mon May 07, 2007 9:07 pm ]
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Inverse Tiger wrote: We were talking about psychological addiction, and I thought you were saying since psychological addiction is still an addiction it should be treated like a physical addiction, so I provided counterexamples on that specific point. But I never said that marijuana should be illegal just because it is an addiction (before you said 'so should we ban the Internets?' and stuff). In fact, I don't think I've ever said marijuana should be illegal at all in this thread yet (but I do think it should stay how it is).

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Mon May 07, 2007 10:00 pm ]
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ed 'lim' smilde wrote: Inverse Tiger wrote: We were talking about psychological addiction, and I thought you were saying since psychological addiction is still an addiction it should be treated like a physical addiction, so I provided counterexamples on that specific point. But I never said that marijuana should be illegal just because it is an addiction (before you said 'so should we ban the Internets?' and stuff). In fact, I don't think I've ever said marijuana should be illegal at all in this thread yet (but I do think it should stay how it is). Well then, why should it be illegal?

Author:	Linz [ Thu May 10, 2007 12:47 am ]
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It should be illegal. Long-term use can cause the IQ to drop, leading sometimes to mental retardation (as I said before, and yes, it's proven.), it can cause panic attacks, paranoia and anxiety (I suffer from those already, not from marijuana use, but I don't think I want people around me having the same happening to them) I have seen the effects of this drug. I knew a guy who was very bright and logical, and a great conversationalist. He's been smoking pot for about a year now, and he's begun dressing like he doesn't care, bathing less, and his best comebacks (which used to often be middle-english) are now things like 'Your face'. I think that if marijuana becomes legalized and treated like no big deal, our society will fall into complete and utter idiocy and chaos. People seem to constantly be trying to find some excuse, 'Oh, it's not dangerous.' 'Not nearly as bad as alcohol!' and I've even heard 'Your intelligence comes back, it just takes a while..' IQ can't go up. Even once it's fallen from what it originally was. I've even heard 'It helps me find myself.' You'll never find yourself in a world of delusion and disorientation. Why must people use illusions induced by some drug to escape from reality? If you're already capable of living a decent life, just being depressed or something doesn't give you the right to fall into an even deeper pit. And there's such a thing as having fun whilst being aware of the world around you at the same time. Yeesh.

Author:	MikeMcG [ Thu May 10, 2007 1:23 am ]
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The panic attacks, anxiety, et cetera are all short-term effects that can be blamed on set and setting. First time users who are worried people will find out s/he's used the drug or is worried s/he will make an idiot of of him/herself will panic. In my experience, marijuana amplifies things and would amplify those worries (if the user is so wound up about the worry). I had to take an elevator and an escalator while high and my fear of heights got really, really bad when I thought about how high up I was. Quote: And there's such a thing as having fun whilst being aware of the world around you at the same time. Good thing you're aware of the world around you when you're high. You're really aware of the world around you.

Author:	ed 'lim' smilde [ Thu May 10, 2007 1:42 am ]
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MikeMcG wrote: The panic attacks, anxiety, et cetera are all short-term effects that can be blamed on set and setting. First time users who are worried people will find out s/he's used the drug or is worried s/he will make an idiot of of him/herself will panic. In my experience, marijuana amplifies things and would amplify those worries (if the user is so wound up about the worry). I had to take an elevator and an escalator while high and my fear of heights got really, really bad when I thought about how high up I was. How is that not the fault of the drug then? Set and setting can't be controlled, but if it weren't for marijuana, those panic attacks or whatever could be avoided.

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Author:	MikeMcG [ Thu May 10, 2007 2:07 am ]
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You can control set and setting. If you know you'll worry you just choose an appropriate time and place to go and smoke pot.

Author:	Inverse Tiger [ Thu May 10, 2007 2:07 am ]
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What he seems to be saying (and I have no idea myself) is that the panic attacks are based on an already existing worry that CAN be controlled. If the person was calm before smoking, the calm would be multiplied instead of the worry. EDIT: simulpost In my experiences hanging out with people who are high, though, they don't really seem to know what's going on at all. It seems to give them the feeling that they're more aware, but they really aren't. And the "revelations" they have are total nonsense that never bear any fruit because they can't figure out what any of it's supposed to mean when they come down. It's like one of those dreams you have where you wake up thinking "HOLY CRAP, THE SECRET TO EVERYTHING WAS IN THAT DREAM! WHAT WAS IT?!" And then you remember a week later that it was just a dream about like, a frog who lights things on fire saying "Pardon the sauce, Tammany" instead of ribbiting. Anyway, yeah, heavy use also does seem to cause long term issues, and I do know someone who really did smoke himself stupid. Not stupid, stupid, I mean, he's in law school now. But he's become one of the most dull people on earth. In people I know who used it moderatly, though, it didn't seem to cause any problems, and actually got this one really stuck-up, uptight friend to mellow out and stop taking himself so seriously. But "people I know", "this one guy", it's not science. Until we see some conclusive studies, who's really to say that the laws should change in either direction?

Author:	Linz [ Thu May 10, 2007 2:25 am ]
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Unfortunately, you can never get people who've smoked pot to tell you what actually happens, seeing as it totally screws with your judgment. How, then, can we get conclusive facts on marijuana's effects on the psyche? Besides what we get from watching people who are high?

Author:	ramrod [ Thu May 10, 2007 3:16 am ]
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Linz wrote: Unfortunately, you can never get people who've smoked pot to tell you what actually happens, seeing as it totally screws with your judgment. How, then, can we get conclusive facts on marijuana's effects on the psyche? Besides what we get from watching people who are high? Well, there are some people that smoke pot on this forum, isn't there? I could have sworn I saw someone post that they did...

Author:	Didymus [ Thu May 10, 2007 4:20 am ]
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I think he was trying to say that they can't say ACCURATELY what happens on account of drug's influence on their perceptions.

Author:	MikeMcG [ Thu May 10, 2007 4:31 am ]
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Drawing from my own experience, I can usually remember vague details like major scenery changes or recurring sounds. I do have a pretty bad memory, so it could either be that or the pot.

Author:	Linz [ Thu May 10, 2007 5:03 am ]
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Didymus is right. And I'm a girl, just so you know. MikeMcG, what are vague memories compared to full, accurate ones? (Not that a memory can ever be COMPLETELY full or accurate, because emotions tend to distort them, but you know what I mean.) Like I said, you can't accurately describe what you felt whilst on pot, because your perception and judgment is so distorted. Therefore, there seems to be no way to get information on how a person really feels while stoned, and tests and observation can't tell you everything.

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Thu May 10, 2007 5:09 am ]
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Linz wrote: Like I said, you can't accurately describe what you felt whilst on pot, because your perception and judgment is so distorted. Therefore, there seems to be no way to get information on how a person really feels while stoned, and tests and observation can't tell you everything. I can. No, seriously, I can.

Author:	MikeMcG [ Thu May 10, 2007 5:10 am ]
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I can't really remember, I haven't made a notable trip anywhere recently. I could easily tell you how I felt my first time if you wanted. The feelings are very different from normal feelings.

Author:	MikeMcG [ Thu May 10, 2007 7:28 am ]
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Pictures of old people? Image macros? Pixels that have certain hex codes assigned to them assembled in such a way that they form a picture? I get clingy when I'm high. I need to be with people or have someone I can hold on to and follow. Vision becomes plain and boring, but sounds (ring tones, music) and feelings (like being on a hill or being happy) get turned up and are crazy noticeable. Then I get cotton mouth and fall asleep after drinking something.

Author:	IantheGecko [ Tue May 15, 2007 10:11 pm ]
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, dude!

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Author:	Didymus [ Thu May 10, 2007 5:24 am ]
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Quote: Usually just spouting off about Communism, Philosophy, random junk, and meanings to songs Dude, you ALWAYS do that!

Author:	Didymus [ Thu May 10, 2007 5:49 am ]
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Oh, yeah? Well what do you call THIS! And This: And This: And This:

Author:	corrections [ Tue May 15, 2007 2:15 pm ]
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Linz wrote: It should be illegal. Long-term use can cause the IQ to drop, leading sometimes to mental retardation (as I said before, and yes, it's proven.), it can cause panic attacks, paranoia and anxiety (I suffer from those already, not from marijuana use, but I don't think I want people around me having the same happening to them) I have seen the effects of this drug. I knew a guy who was very bright and logical, and a great conversationalist. He's been smoking pot for about a year now, and he's begun dressing like he doesn't care, bathing less, and his best comebacks (which used to often be middle-english) are now things like 'Your face'. I think that if marijuana becomes legalized and treated like no big deal, our society will fall into complete and utter idiocy and chaos. People seem to constantly be trying to find some excuse, 'Oh, it's not dangerous.' 'Not nearly as bad as alcohol!' and I've even heard 'Your intelligence comes back, it just takes a while..' IQ can't go up. Even once it's fallen from what it originally was. I've even heard 'It helps me find myself.' You'll never find yourself in a world of delusion and disorientation. Why must people use illusions induced by some drug to escape from reality? If you're already capable of living a decent life, just being depressed or something doesn't give you the right to fall into an even deeper pit. And there's such a thing as having fun whilst being aware of the world around you at the same time. Yeesh. 1. No. It's not. Find one reputable source (NOT .com and NOT creationist) that says how it's been 'proven'. 2. The Netherlands has had it legal for years, and they have a . The United States also had it legal up until the 1930s. Did the bad marihuana cause the white man to enslave the Africans? 3.It's a drug. Alcohol is a drug, painkillers are drugs. Being a drug does not make something illegal. Notice how relaxed laws have become (heard of Bonnaroo?) And how much less harsh anti-drug PSAs have become (compare http://www.archive.org/details/Terrible1951 To http://www.archive.org/details/tv_ad32004.

Author:	Amorican [ Tue May 15, 2007 6:59 pm ]
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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: the poster of Pink Floyd The Wall I have creeps me out Is it this poster? This is the poster I have on my wall. The same thing used to happen to me when I would smoke. Sometimes I had to leave the room. One benefit of the poster is that it scares my apartment manager so she doesn't come around too often.

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Tue May 15, 2007 9:58 pm ]
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Amorican wrote: Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote: the poster of Pink Floyd The Wall I have creeps me out Is it this poster? This is the poster I have on my wall. The same thing used to happen to me when I would smoke. Sometimes I had to leave the room. One benefit of the poster is that it scares my apartment manager so she doesn't come around too often. yeah thats it, freaking awesome movie. Im planning on watching it again on saturday.

Author:	Linz [ Thu May 17, 2007 6:36 am ]
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corrections wrote: 1. No. It's not. Find one reputable source (NOT .com and NOT creationist) that says how it's been 'proven'. 2. The Netherlands has had it legal for years, and they have a . The United States also had it legal up until the 1930s. Did the bad marihuana cause the white man to enslave the Africans? 3.It's a drug. Alcohol is a drug, painkillers are drugs. Being a drug does not make something illegal. Notice how relaxed laws have become (heard of Bonnaroo?) And how much less harsh anti-drug PSAs have become (compare http://www.archive.org/details/Terrible1951 To http://www.archive.org/details/tv_ad32004. Calm down. 1. First of all, I'm not a creationist. Second, Do I see a bit of bias? If I'm coming across that way then sorry, I'll try not to. I'm not taking a shot at people who smoke, but the smoking/use itself. Anyway.. Since you don't want a .com, I guess I'll just give you a mailing address National Institute on Drug Abuse National Institutes of Health 6001 Executive Boulevard, Room 5213 Bethesda, MD 20892-9561 U.S.A 2. Of course it was legal up until the 1930's. A lot of drugs were. As for the Netherlands, can I see some proof? And once again, more immaturity("The bad marijuana"). I know you probably feel passionately about this, but when discussing these things, please show some respect. 3. Yes, but different drugs have different effects. And the second video wouldn't load for me.

Author:	corrections [ Thu May 17, 2007 12:09 pm ]
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From http://www.nida.nih.gov/DrugPages/Marijuana.html Quote: Short-term effects include memory and learning problems, distorted perception, and difficulty thinking and solving problems. Notice how carefully they have to choose their wording. No mention of retardation. Also, with my Netherlands statement, I made two errors: First, I said SOL (Standard of Living) when I should have said HDI (Human Development Index), which includes SOL in their criteria. Also, it turns out America is higher than The Netherlands by .001 points. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#Top_thirty_countries_.28HDI_range_from_0.965_down_to_0.885.29 It must be the weed keeping them from wanting that thousandth of a point.

Author:	sci-fi greg [ Fri May 18, 2007 1:16 am ]
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It should either become leagel or stay illeagel and smoking becomes illeagel. Why should the government get to choose which drugs people can use?

Author:	MikeMcG [ Thu May 24, 2007 6:22 pm ]
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sci-fi greg wrote: It should either become leagel or stay illeagel and smoking becomes illeagel. Why should the government get to choose which drugs people can use? Because we vote for those people and those people are supposed to act on our behalf.

Author:	Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Thu May 24, 2007 7:13 pm ]
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MikeMcG wrote: sci-fi greg wrote: It should either become leagel or stay illeagel and smoking becomes illeagel. Why should the government get to choose which drugs people can use? Because we vote for those people and those people are supposed to act on our behalf. But is it what the people want? I bet you that if we were to take a Litteral NATIONAL survey detailing how Marijuana would be Legal and stating the laws that should come in effect if it becomes legal, I assure, you would get at least 70% of the votes for a Yes to legalize.