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What if you have AIDS? How much more harmed could you get?

I know if I had a disease that put me through so much I wouldn't want to add anything to it.

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Perhaps not, but that'd be what you'd do. Why should you make that decision for other people?

Well, I think it'd be the smartest choice for ANYONE.

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And why should your idea of "the smartest choice" be law?

Because it can help people? Isn't that what laws are FOR, when you get right down to it?

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I think drugs that are easily overdosable and unsteady should be banned.
They shouldn't ban Alcohol because it is shown it can help you in some cases.Also, you must drink alot of alcohol to get drunk in many cases with marijuana it is almost immediate.
And Cigarrettes should be banned!

But you're neglecting the other possibility, that medical marijuana can also help people. Just because you don't agree with that possibility doesn't mean the law should reflect that.

There's a very big difference between "I don't like X" and "X should be illegal", a difference that, sadly, is all too often ignored.



So, are people who are in serious pain and need powerful drugs to say out of it supposed to just suffer, or what?

I don't mean to be inflammatory by that statement, I'm just trying to point out that things aren't really that simple, and you probably wouldn't like being in a bed in a hospital, in serious pain, and being told that you can't have a drug you'd need to ease the pain because it's illegal. I said it like that because we need to remember we're talking about real people and real suffering here, and it's easy to forget that.

- Kef

Taking pot has negative effects-it relieves temporary pain and replaces it with long term illness-or more pain later.Many people could fake prescriptions-easily not everyone is stupid.What about robberries if some one has drugs and they're robbed of they're stash.In the end its alot of pain for a little gain.

Easy to say when it ain't your gain. The first result from google for "aids statistics" tells me:

People living with HIV/AIDS in 2005 38.6 million 33.4-46.0 million
Adults living with HIV/AIDS in 2005 36.3 million 31.4-43.4 million
Women living with HIV/AIDS in 2005 17.3 million 14.8-20.6 million
Children living with HIV/AIDS in 2005 2.3 million 1.7-3.5 million
People newly infected with HIV in 2005 4.1 million 3.4-6.2 million
AIDS deaths in 2005 2.8 million 2.4-3.3 million

Now, without meaning to be insensitive, AIDs is not a temporary condition so your point regarding temporary pain is, in this case, moot.

I don't like the use of the word "pot" to refer to medical marijuana, since to me it has negative connotations, like "pothead". I don't know, maybe I'm the only one who thinks so, but to me it's a loaded term, which kind of trivializes the issue here, as if people who want medical marijuana just want to get high and are making excuses.

Not saying that anybody here actually believes that (although some people do believe that, I'm sure), but that's how it comes across to me. In any case, I don't think using street slang to refer to it in a medical context is appropriate.

- Kef

Ok so if you have AIDS your health doesn't matter more pain?
And BTw pot is slang i can use it as i like and i am not trying to trivialize any argument its just a word i use for it.

It doesn't make it an appropriate word choice. Even if you're not trying to trivialize the issue, it may still have that effect, just as somebody may not mean to offend by using a racial slang term, but still does. This is of course not nearly so severe, but the point is that using whatever words you like is perhaps not the best attitude to have.

- Kef

I am allowed to use it.And i will.
Do you want to debate now?

I give up. I'm going to bed.

Okay, everyone needs to chill.

Karmaism, I realize that you're new to this forum. We pride ourselves on the fact that (most of the time) we are able to hold controlled, respectful debates without resorting to "cheap shots" or backtalk. Judging by the number of new topics you've made here, I'll assume that you'd like to stick around. And we'd like for you to do so. So long as everyone keeps it respectful.

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I am allowed to use "pot' correct?
Is there a rule against that?
I made these threads not to "stick around" but so that people had a place to discuss things i hadn't heard before.
Also, i will be respectful but there is no rule against saying pot?

There's no rule against it, but you didn't seem to give my opinion any respect. I asked you not to do it, and you basically stuck your nose up and said "No". I don't know if ModestlyHotGirl thought the same, but that's how I felt about it.

I really do need to get back to bed, though. 'night.

Woah, not even a "- Kef"

What Kef means is that some words mean tdifferent thigns for different people. Your meaning might not get across correctly if you switch a word, even if the word you substitute it with is techincally synonomous. The "N word", a racial slur most people know, is technically another word for a black person. However, through the years, and through the civil war, it became an insult to black people. If, instead of saying black person, you substituted the n word, that would not be a wise choice. They are techncially sunonomous (Or at elastw ere, in this case) but they can relay very different meanings. It's similar to pot and marijuana, pot is generally associated with street, "recreational" use, while marijuana is more broad, and can also refer to its medicinal use. If you substitute marijuana with pot, you may give off a different message. We're not saying you have to be so careful about your word chocie, but do know that changing a single word can change much more than just the word itself.

EDIT: Well, I guess this post took a while to write.

You are correct. You weren't breaking any rules by using that term. Nor was Furrykef breaking any rules by saying that he prefers not to use it. He was trying to make a suggestion to you. What I mean to convey is that you don't need to respond in the way that you did.

Toast Paint.

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I just disagree because it is a slang term i use.I meant no disrespect by it-but i am allowed to say it!We have no problem with the word until one person disagrees with its usage and presents another side.Now i can't say it!C'mon!

He's asking you to respect his opinion by not using it.

I have a right to say it.I will use and i have said it meant no disrespect.

It's true you have a right to say it, but it seems you completely disregarded my post above. If you missed it before, you should read it. That was the reason I intially thought kef didn't like you saying pot in this context (Now I'm not so sure)

I meant no disrespect by it but i can say Pot all i like and i have the right to.He can't control my words.

That's right. If you have AIDS, you are going to die. If it were me, I'd want to enjoy what time I had left, instead of living in pain.

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that article is not pro pot propaganda



DPA article on wikipedia

Link to COLA's article on DPA website

personally i think that we have no right to teel people what to do with their own bodies. If you want to smoke pot do it. Its your choice.

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Wow, It's been like three or 4 years since I've last been here

Except that people are often too stupid to control what they do with their own bodies. I worked in a rehab center in St. Louis, so I've seen the effects of illegal drugs on people's lives. And, as I said earlier, MJ makes people stupid. By that, I mean not just when they're high. I mean that they become stupid people. Despite presenting itself as a "scientific" site, DPA does not present all the facts.

Now don't get me wrong. I see no problem with using TCH for medicinal purposes, which is what the site claims to advocate. But in the process of advocating medicinal use, they've presented misinformation that is sometimes used to promote recreational use.

What I am saying is this: do not base your decision to use this drug solely on information provided by DPA. Check other sources first. Like this one:
http://www.nida.nih.gov/MarijBroch/Marijteens.html

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Did you even read the post? It's not abotu disrespect, it's about how pot and marijuana, while synonomous, carry different meanigns with them. i don't feel like writiing that whole post again, though, so I'm done here.

And I mean no disrespect by this, but, do you realize how stuck-up that attitude comes across? It basically translates to "Screw you, I can say what I want." You of course haven't said the "screw you" part, but it's implied.

I'm not saying you're not allowed to say it, I'm asking you to consider that maybe I have a point and I'm not just saying what I said for no reason. If you have a reason for insisting on referring to it as "pot" in a medical context, I'll be happy and drop the point. I don't think "Well, that's just what I call it" is a good enough reason. It's like you're not even considering my feelings on the matter.

- Kef