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Author:  Didymus [ Thu May 24, 2007 7:21 pm ]
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And you're basing that assessment on what? Have you access to national polls that would indicate that? If it were true, then I'd have to ask the question: why haven't the laws been changed to reflect the popular opinion? But frankly, I think you're blowing smoke there, Cola (heh heh heh). Without access to authoritative information to determine such an outcome, I don't think you can adequately justify your assessment.

Author:  lahimatoa [ Thu May 24, 2007 8:09 pm ]
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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:
I bet you that if we were to take a Litteral NATIONAL survey detailing how Marijuana would be Legal and stating the laws that should come in effect if it becomes legal, I assure, you would get at least 70% of the votes for a Yes to legalize.


Dude, nothing gets a 70% approval rating in a national survey. Good luck with that.

Author:  corrections [ Fri May 25, 2007 4:06 pm ]
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I thought you guys would be interested in this:

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

Author:  Didymus [ Fri May 25, 2007 4:43 pm ]
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A nice little one-sided history. Even if that sordid history is true, it still doesn't address the issue of why it remains illegal today, or even why it should be legal. Therefore, it is completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

Author:  Einoo T. Spork [ Fri May 25, 2007 7:29 pm ]
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Based on what I've seen in this thread, a lot more tests need to be done concerning the effects of marijuana on people before any kind of conclusive result can be found. I personally am for its legalization and find the arguments for its legalization to be much more sensible than the arguments against it, but that's only my opinion and not conclusive fact.

Not like the government would ever legalize it, though. There's no way.

That's still just opinion, though.

Author:  Beardo [ Sat May 26, 2007 1:33 am ]
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I don;t think anymore tests need to be done, just the spread of false information needs to be reversed. If people are so afraid of even discussing Marijuana that they believe that it will have an entire forum shut down there's definitely something wrong. Sure, you often hear people preach about not using drugs, but I've yet to encounter a situation when someone will give the straight, unbiased facts.

Author:  Amorican [ Sat May 26, 2007 1:37 am ]
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Didymus wrote:
A nice little one-sided history. Even if that sordid history is true, it still doesn't address the issue of why it remains illegal today, or even why it should be legal. Therefore, it is completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand.


The end of the article does state:

Why is Marijuana Illegal wrote:
The narrative since then has been a continual litany of:

Politicians wanting to appear tough on crime and passing tougher penalties
Constant increases in spending on law enforcement and prisons
Racist application of drug laws
Taxpayer funded propaganda
Stifling of opposition speech
Political contributions from corporations that profit from marijuana being illegal (pharmaceuticals, alcohol, etc.)
... but that's another whole story.


I'd be interested in articles that expand on these things. But the article itself is relevant because this thread deals with the legality of marijuana, and this article deals with how we arrived at the current legal status of marijuana.

My favorite part is the Anslinger quotes:
Harry J. Anslinger wrote:
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."
"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."
"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."
"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."
"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"
"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."
"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."


edit: I want to highlight one of those

Harry J. Anslinger wrote:
"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."

Author:  Beardo [ Sat May 26, 2007 1:43 am ]
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Beardo wrote:
I don;t think anymore tests need to be done, just the spread of false information needs to be reversed. If people are so afraid of even discussing Marijuana that they believe that it will have an entire forum shut down there's definitely something wrong. Sure, you often hear people preach about not using drugs, but I've yet to encounter a situation when someone will give the straight, unbiased facts.


Quote:
"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."


See what I mean? I realize this is probably an older quote but still, how can someone be bold enough to say something so silly?

Author:  Didymus [ Sat May 26, 2007 1:50 am ]
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Does anyone remember that scene from The Godfather, where the mobsters all decide it's okay to sell drugs to the blacks "because they're all just a bunch of animals anyway"? Racism a motivating factor on both sides of the issue?

Author:  MikeMcG [ Sat May 26, 2007 2:53 am ]
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That's something completely different, and it's a movie. If most pro-marijuana people wanted to legalize it because whitey said they can't use it, then racism would be present on both sides.

Watch out for that reefer madness!

Author:  Amorican [ Sat May 26, 2007 6:31 am ]
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Didymus wrote:
Does anyone remember that scene from The Godfather, where the mobsters all decide it's okay to sell drugs to the blacks "because they're all just a bunch of animals anyway"? Racism a motivating factor on both sides of the issue?


But which side of the issue are they really on? Don't mobsters and drug dealers have an incentive to keep the drugs illegal? Legalizing would surely cut into their market and their profits.

Author:  sci-fi greg [ Sat May 26, 2007 7:30 pm ]
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MikeMcG wrote:
sci-fi greg wrote:
It should either become leagel or stay illeagel and smoking becomes illeagel. Why should the government get to choose which drugs people can use?


Because we vote for those people and those people are supposed to act on our behalf.


That's not what I meant. I wasn't saying that it shouldn't be their choice if we should use it all, I meant they shouldn't choose that some should be illeagel and some shouldn't be even when they have equally bad effects. I mean, People who were addicted to Marijuana before it was illeagel got arrested, unless they could quit. But people who smoke can just keep on killing themselves. I actually think they should both be made illeagel.

Author:  MikeMcG [ Sat May 26, 2007 7:47 pm ]
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sci-fi greg wrote:
MikeMcG wrote:
sci-fi greg wrote:
It should either become leagel or stay illeagel and smoking becomes illeagel. Why should the government get to choose which drugs people can use?


Because we vote for those people and those people are supposed to act on our behalf.


That's not what I meant. I wasn't saying that it shouldn't be their choice if we should use it all, I meant they shouldn't choose that some should be illeagel and some shouldn't be even when they have equally bad effects. I mean, People who were addicted to Marijuana before it was illeagel got arrested, unless they could quit. But people who smoke can just keep on killing themselves. I actually think they should both be made illeagel.


I'm playing Devil's advocate here, I think no one should be able to say what you can or can't do with your body. Unfortunately, the government can do that because that's how our system works. If 80% of the US population decided that they should exterminate all Mexicans the government would go ahead and exterminate all Mexicans.

Author:  Didymus [ Sat May 26, 2007 7:50 pm ]
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That's a bit of a ridiculous exaggeration on your part there, Mike. We do have laws against that sort of thing, you know.

Author:  MikeMcG [ Sat May 26, 2007 8:40 pm ]
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Laws can be appealed. But that's how things work, the majority rules.

Author:  ed 'lim' smilde [ Sat May 26, 2007 10:15 pm ]
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Not by a majority of the US population, though.

Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Sat May 26, 2007 10:59 pm ]
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Okay, so far we have aggreed that:
  • Marijuana Doesn't Kill
  • Marijuana may or may not cause addiction
  • Marijuana May or may not cause retardation
  • Once you smoke pot, you may or may not be turned on to harder drugs.

    Do we all agree?

Author:  lahimatoa [ Sun May 27, 2007 4:56 am ]
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Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:
Okay, so far we have aggreed that:
  • Marijuana Doesn't Kill
  • Marijuana may or may not cause addiction
  • Marijuana May or may not cause retardation
  • Once you smoke pot, you may or may not be turned on to harder drugs.

    Do we all agree?


Question: Aren't you still inhaling smoke when you use marijuana? That can't be good for you.

Author:  MikeMcG [ Sun May 27, 2007 5:03 am ]
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Mmhmm, inhaling the smoke from anything is bad. The particles in the smoke can form tiny cuts in your throat/lungs and those tiny cuts can get infected. You can vaporize pot and that removes the smoke/gives you a better high. I'd vaporize if I smoked more often.

Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Sun May 27, 2007 7:36 am ]
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MikeMcG wrote:
Mmhmm, inhaling the smoke from anything is bad. The particles in the smoke can form tiny cuts in your throat/lungs and those tiny cuts can get infected. You can vaporize pot and that removes the smoke/gives you a better high. I'd vaporize if I smoked more often.
As stated before, thats what I do and it should be the preferred method of Marijuana Use.

Author:  Amorican [ Sun May 27, 2007 11:08 am ]
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lahimatoa wrote:
Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:
Okay, so far we have aggreed that:
  • Marijuana Doesn't Kill
  • Marijuana may or may not cause addiction
  • Marijuana May or may not cause retardation
  • Once you smoke pot, you may or may not be turned on to harder drugs.

    Do we all agree?


Question: Aren't you still inhaling smoke when you use marijuana? That can't be good for you.


I'm far more worried about the quality of the "fresh air" I'm breathing here in Los Angeles.

Author:  StrongRad [ Sun May 27, 2007 2:52 pm ]
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Amorican wrote:
I'm far more worried about the quality of the "fresh air" I'm breathing here in Los Angeles.

That's sort of a cop out, though. If you don't smoke, you get the air. If you smoke, you get the air PLUS smoke.

Author:  Duecex2 [ Tue May 29, 2007 12:02 am ]
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Eh, legalizing it takes all the fun out of it.

Author:  corrections [ Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:23 am ]
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^You're kinda right, but there would be economic pluses for legalizing it. Thousands out of a pointless jail sentence, and the government could tax the hell out of it.

Author:  ed 'lim' smilde [ Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:28 am ]
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I have a feeling that, if the government puts high taxes on marijuana, smokers simply won't buy it from stores who tax it and they'll go on obtaining it the way they have been. Rather than avoiding the fact that marijuana is illegal, they'll just be avoiding the taxes, and it would be much easier to get away with.

Author:  Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest [ Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:07 pm ]
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They wouldnt tax it to hell, they would just put a tax on it thats a little higher than what you pay for beer or cigarettes.

Quote:
Eh, legalizing it takes all the fun out of it.

This man speaks the truth, but when you're caught, the fun is gone for ever.

Author:  corrections [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:27 pm ]
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ed 'lim' smilde wrote:
I have a feeling that, if the government puts high taxes on marijuana, smokers simply won't buy it from stores who tax it and they'll go on obtaining it the way they have been. Rather than avoiding the fact that marijuana is illegal, they'll just be avoiding the taxes, and it would be much easier to get away with.


That probably wouldn't happen, being we don't see anoying making or selling booze on the street. Prohibition got the bootleg alchohol dealers out of that job, legalizing marijuana should do the same.

Author:  ed 'lim' smilde [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:51 pm ]
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That's partly 'cause we didn't "tax the hell out of" alcohol, as you said.

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