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Well, for medical reasons I think it should definetly legal. What, when someone's in pain, you don't the horrible times they're going through to be ceased?

As for the word usage, I agree with Kef. I remember when I was arguing with a guy who typed in leet, and replaced the word "You" with "U". And to tell you the truth... It's harder to get your point across that way.


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Ok.. I'm going to step in here.

Kef, you're right, there's a negative connotation to "pot". However, it's a slang term, and it's not likely you're going to convince karmaism to stop using it, even though it's totally inappropriate for a conversation about medical marijuana.

Karmaism, you're relatively new here, and while I like to think that new users are on equal terms as "veterans", Kef has been around for a while and is probably one of the better debating-type people here.

Also, I just want to note that nobody here has a "right" to post anything here. It's a privilige to post here, not a right. :)

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Ok.. I'm going to step in here.

Kef, you're right, there's a negative connotation to "pot". However, it's a slang term, and it's not likely you're going to convince karmaism to stop using it, even though it's totally inappropriate for a conversation about medical marijuana.

Karmaism, you're relatively new here, and while I like to think that new users are on equal terms as "veterans", Kef has been around for a while and is probably one of the better debating-type people here.

Also, I just want to note that nobody here has a "right" to post anything here. It's a privilige to post here, not a right. :)

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This is a public forum and i see no rule against the use of pot.
That is the last thing i will say about it.
Anyway,
My dad is a very popular Canadian doctor and i asked him about this and he told me that the only negative effects of marijuana come after more then three joints a day for many years this is when effects kick in.
He said the effects were various cancers(i forget all three).

What he said put things into perspective-i was arguing a blind case.
I changed my mind on this issue.People should be allowed to smoke if they wish there choice.But they must be held responsible if they are high and driving.I object to it strongly but it isn't my idea to make that choice for them.


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This is a public forum and i see no rule against the use of pot.


There's no rule that says I can't pick my nose at the dinner table--but I don't do it, because there's a difference between written rules and understood courtesies and mores. If you want to continue using the term "pot," just keep in mind how it will reflect you--how others will see you because of it, especially after being asked repeatedly to not use it in this context.

Now, as for medicinal marijuana, I personally see no problems with it. Also, as recreational marijuana is generally smoked on its own with no additives--unlike legalized cigarettes--I think it is debatable as to whether or not legalized cigarettes are actually better for your health than marijuana.

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This is a public forum and i see no rule against the use of pot.


There's no rule that says I can't pick my nose at the dinner table--but I don't do it, because there's a difference between written rules and understood courtesies and mores. If you want to continue using the term "pot," just keep in mind how it will reflect you--how others will see you because of it, especially after being asked repeatedly to not use it in this context.

Now, as for medicinal marijuana, I personally see no problems with it. Also, as recreational marijuana is generally smoked on its own with no additives--unlike legalized cigarettes--I think it is debatable as to whether or not legalized cigarettes are actually better for your health than marijuana.


Marijuana > Beer> Cigarrettes >LSD or Cocaine.
Marijuana is better for you but it isn't good for you.


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This is a public forum and i see no rule against the use of pot.


We know there's no rule against saying pot, we've said so numerous times. What we're saying is that pot isn't the greatest word to use when talking about medicinal marijuana. "Should marijuana be legal for medical purposes?" and "Should pot be legal for medical purpsoes" can have two very different meanings for some people. You can use the two synonomously, but it'd be unwise to.

Sorry to break the toastpaint, SR.

EDIT: SImulpost, I guess. Took me a while to write this, apparently.

In response to the post above this, marijuana is not better for you than beer (or rather, beer is not worse for you than marijuana). Of course, overdosing on alcohol could kill you, and it appears there is no lethal amount of marijuana one can consume, but a small amount of marijuana is much worse for you than a small amount of beer.


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Marijuana > Beer> Cigarrettes >LSD or Cocaine.
Marijuana is better for you but it isn't good for you.

I'd really like to see a source for this one.
I mean, it's a pretty bold claim.

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This is a public forum and i see no rule against the use of pot.


We know there's no rule against saying pot, we've said so numerous times. What we're saying is that pot isn't the greatest word to use when talking about medicinal marijuana. "Should marijuana be legal for medical purposes?" and "Should pot be legal for medical purpsoes" can have two very different meanings for some people. You can use the two synonomously, but it'd be unwise to.

Sorry to break the toastpaint, SR.

EDIT: SImulpost, I guess. Took me a while to write this, apparently.

In response to the post above this, marijuana is not better for you than beer (or rather, beer is not worse for you than marijuana). Of course, overdosing on alcohol could kill you, and it appears there is no lethal amount of marijuana one can consume, but a small amount of marijuana is much worse for you than a small amount of beer.


I am not sure that's true but i am just saying-no matter what as soon as it is legal it will be easier to scientifically find out because people growing it will produce quality so we can examine a better quality marijuana.I think when we do find out every pack of marijuana should have a warning label.


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I am not sure that's true but i am just saying-no matter what as soon as it is legal it will be easier to scientifically find out because people growing it will produce quality so we can examine a better quality marijuana.I think when we do find out every pack of marijuana should have a warning label.


So, you're saying we should commercially produce it and sell it before we understand it enough to decide which, if any warning labels it should contain?
America is way too litigious to do that. I mean, we have products that DO have warning labels, and people still sue over them, for getting the same problems that warning label says they'll have.

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I am not sure that's true but i am just saying-no matter what as soon as it is legal it will be easier to scientifically find out because people growing it will produce quality so we can examine a better quality marijuana.I think when we do find out every pack of marijuana should have a warning label.


So, you're saying we should commercially produce it and sell it before we understand it enough to decide which, if any warning labels it should contain?
America is way too litigious to do that. I mean, we have products that DO have warning labels, and people still sue over them, for getting the same problems that warning label says they'll have.


Those cases should be tossed out of the court.


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Those cases should be tossed out of the court.


That's not the point, the point is you can't test things for sideffects by putting them on the market.


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Those cases should be tossed out of the court.


That's not the point, the point is you can't test things for sideffects by putting them on the market.

Well, you can, it's just not wise...

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I think you can i think if Marijuana was legal at least it woul mean there would be less of other materials in it-cleaner Marijuana.


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I think you can


If you want to get sued and probably go to jail.


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If you want to get sued and probably go to jail.


If its legal you can perform tests on it.


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If you want to get sued and probably go to jail.


If its legal you can perform tests on it.


I'm saying you can't put somehting on the market to test it for sideffects and such.


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Oh, not for that square reason but i am sure if it was legal this would spawn a new series of formal investigations into the safety hazards of weed.


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Oh, not for that square reason but i am sure if it was legal this would spawn a new series of formal investigations into the safety hazards of weed.


What?

You've completely lost me - which side are you on? And are you talking about medicinal use or public use?


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When smoking was legal it made people think about the possibility of cigarettes being harmful.I believe it we fully legalize weed it will cause a lot of people to wonder"How bad is this for you anyway"


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When smoking was legal it made people think about the possibility of cigarettes being harmful.I believe it we fully legalize weed it will cause a lot of people to wonder"How bad is this for you anyway"
Marijuana smoke, puff for puff, is possibly more dangerous that cigarette smoke. It contains 50-70% more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than a cigarette. This is according to the National Institute of Drug Abuse.

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When smoking was legal it made people think about the possibility of cigarettes being harmful.I believe it we fully legalize weed it will cause a lot of people to wonder"How bad is this for you anyway"
Marijuana smoke, puff for puff, is possibly more dangerous that cigarette smoke. It contains 50-70% more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than a cigarette. This is according to the National Institute of Drug Abuse.

There is no comparison-Cigarrettes are worse than weed.Weed is fairly harmless drug.


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There is no comparison-Cigarrettes are worse than weed.Weed is fairly harmless drug.
You sir, are incorrect. I just did a speech today about how marijuana is not at all a harmless drug. I suggest you read this before you make statements like that. Trust me, from first hand experience, marijuana is far from harmless.

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There is no comparison-Cigarrettes are worse than weed.Weed is fairly harmless drug.
You sir, are incorrect. I just did a speech today about how marijuana is not at all a harmless drug. I suggest you read this before you make statements like that. Trust me, from first hand experience, marijuana is far from harmless.

I think opinions on this vary but i think people should still have the choice for themselves.


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There is no comparison-Cigarrettes are worse than weed.Weed is fairly harmless drug.
You sir, are incorrect. I just did a speech today about how marijuana is not at all a harmless drug. I suggest you read this before you make statements like that. Trust me, from first hand experience, marijuana is far from harmless.

I think opinions on this vary but i think people should still have the choice for themselves.


But the medical harm of any substance is not opinion--it is something that can be quanitified and solidified by factual evidence.

What I'D like to know is if people who smoke legalized cigarettes KNOW that it can only cause bodily harm, resulting in potential death as a direct result of their smoking, should smoking cigarettes be considered a form of suicide?

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From what I gather, most smokers don't care. They think that one death is no worse than another. What they don't realize is that cancer is one of the most horrible and painful ways to die. I wish my step-dad had figured that out ten years ago, and who knows, he might still be around today. Funny thing, even when he was on oxygen and had to have my uncle carry him to the bathroom, he still craved cigarettes.

That's why I hate cigarettes. I'd support banning them, if it were possible to accomplish.

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Man.. If cigarettes, alcohol, and some other harmful drugs are readily available, I don't see what's wrong with legalising Cannabis...
It only screws you up as much as the others listed..

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I used to live in a place full of marijuana users, and let me tell you, it wasn't pretty. These people are addicted to it. My one friends tried to rob a drug dealer just so he had enought money to buy more marijuana. Is it harmless and safe now? It can cause severe depression, not cure it. People have a false view on it because it's glamorized in the media.

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There is no comparison-Cigarrettes are worse than weed.Weed is fairly harmless drug.
You sir, are incorrect. I just did a speech today about how marijuana is not at all a harmless drug. I suggest you read this before you make statements like that. Trust me, from first hand experience, marijuana is far from harmless.

I think opinions on this vary but i think people should still have the choice for themselves.


As PMG said, it's not an opinion, there's factual evidence to support whichever side is true (And I believe the "winning side" is that marijuana is a harmful drug) Legalizing it publicly would not be a good idea seeing the condition of so many drug-addicts. It would cause a whole load of problems, depression, theft, etc. (all moreso than before) and we all know we don't need more of those.

But Karmaism, I'm confused, you seem to eb switching back and forth from the sides. Are you for or against legalization of marijauna? (Both medically and publicly)


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I believe all drugs should be legal. If someone wants to harm themselves, I say let them. If you ban drugs because they harm people, why not ban alchohol, cigarettes, tight socks, walls, plastic knifes and pencils. They all have the potential to harm people.

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I believe all drugs should be legal. If someone wants to harm themselves, I say let them.


But they also harm other people. I've heard of people who rob banks to get money for drugs, someone related to me did it last year.


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