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Do you think that the use of Contraceptives is wrong?

I think it is, and I'm wondering how many people agree with me or disagree, and what arguments you may have against my opinion.

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I'm talking about Biblically....I know theres nothing wrong with it from an atheist veiw.

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Why is using contraceptives wrong?

Because it wastes sperm?

Those sperm would die anyway. Using contraceptives is a better idea that unplanned pregnancies and people's lives being ruined. It's not really on the same level of abortion as sperm die anyway.

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There are those who would say that, if you don't want to get pregnant, it's pretty easy...

I'm not going to take a side in that, as I would be a hypocrite wither way...

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Yeah, being against contraceptives is pretty much the same as being against non-procreational sex. I don't like that idea at all. While I despise the over-sexualisation of society, I'm still somewhat of a kinky type and then that sex is something you really can't seperate from human nature without negative effects on a broad scale.

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so your veiws are "sex is fun, do it whenever, God doesnt give a darn if somebody jaculates just for the heck of it." I know this is the veiw of alot of people, and I know of a Bible verse that preaches against that. I just can't find it right now, so I'll post it when i figure out where it is...

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I voted fine. I won't state my opinion any further to prevent looking like an idiot.

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ok... this is it i think...



thats genesis 38...

It pretty much says that Onan pulled out before the sperm came out, and God got mad and killed him. I know he's not exactly using a condom, but its the same basic principal, cause he did it so he wouldnt have a kid...

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I don't think that birth control is wrong, and I will not go any further than that. I don't have a good feeling about this thread.

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I think that birth control is wrong...and i think that the Bible verse proves it... I'd like to hear some reasoning...

None of you have provided any evidence that using contraceptive is O.K.

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Not everyone is christians. That clears the bible debate up, somewhat...

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As I recall, that verse has nothing to do with masturbation or birth control. If I'm remembering correctly, God got mad because it was his duty to impregnate the woman. Or something. Yeah, I'm probably remembering incorrectly.

Personally, I'm all for birth control. I don't think a couple should have to remain celibate just because they don't want children.

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Birth Control seems fine to me. Although, you shouldn't do "it" untill your mentally and phisically prepared to care for a child. My neighbor had a child at 17. The baby died a few hours after birth, from a rare disease where the lungs don't fully develop.

Why is it that all the sad stuff happens around you? Are you some sort of bad luck charm... *walks away slowly, then bursts out running*

I personally don't care. Other people do what they want, when they want to. Yarr. (I seriously gotta stop saying "Yarr".)

Sex is "fun", but I don't know about do it whenever. I believe sex should be special and sensual and not just "Banging some chick" like most of society sees it these days. Tantric and stuff.

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Ya, I guess I am. Did I ever tell you how when I was young, we lived in an apartment and had to look under couch cusions to get change for milk? We're okay now though.
Miracles have happened around me also. Like the time I trained a crazy, aggresive dog to be loyal and gentle.

Ummm... Toastpaint.

No, saying Yarr is awesome.

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Ok so your local school teaches abstinence in sex ed programs. So then all the students will never have sex until marriage.

To think that's the truth is idiotic. It is part of human nature to want to have sex, and no one is going to follow the abstinant way of life. Abstain until marriage I say, but if you are going to have sex, use contraceptives. Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is.

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Opposing contraceptives (as the Roman Catholic Church has done in Africa) has caused no decrease in sexual activity and a massive increase in sexually transmitted diseases. It only worsens the world to oppose condoms, et al.

...haven't I discussed this before? Wow. It being in the Bible is not proof. Also, it's entirely antithetical to the concept of opinion to state that you have proof that something is wrong. Saying you have proof that it's wrong makes you sound arrogant, and it's also arrogant to say that it's wrong because you say so (you may say it's wrong because the Bible says so, but you say so because the Bible says so, as well. Unless you have some reasoning, in which case I take that first parenthesized statement back.).



You're not the only one. Yes, it's fact that it's in the Bible, but what reasoning, or 'proof', as you like to think of it despite being in an argument over religion, do you have? As I said, until you provide some reasoning, you're onlying saying so because the Bible says so.



Evidence? No! As I said, there is no evidence for whether or not something is right or wrong. I warn you, if you meant reasoning, then you picked the wrong word, and if you meant proof, then wow, you are arrogant.

And if you decide to attempt to worm out of this by saying that you only need to have evidence that contraceptives are okayed within Biblical conventions, then I say to you this: the argument is whether contraceptives are right or wrong, not whether they're right or wrong within the Bible.

EDIT: I do realize I'm taking a harsh tone, which I don't like having to use, and I don't use it by choice-it comes with the argument I'm trying to convey here, which is that faith is not an argument unless you can back it up. I'm annoyed that I must make that point...

If you want sex but can't handle the idea of creating life from it, use protection!

Also, all partners should visit ye olde Doc before doin' it, it's just common sense.

Just because a ban from the church hasnt helped, doesnt mean that its not wrong. If its wrong, then the church says it is, and says its a sin... thats why we dont say "oh, people are dying cause they're having sex outside of marriage? oh! well we might as well make condoms good in the sight of God and then that'll clear up that problem..." NObody can change what it good and bad in Gods eyes.



Sex was created by God for us to create lifeforms, not so we can have fun on a Saturday Night.

And Sui, I'm not even gunna respond to yours... I know that from a non-christian standpoint this is all fine, and condoms are great, but i'm talking about if u believe in the Bible, and you've made it quite abviose that u dont believe in the Bible.

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I'm going to have to disagree with you, Trogdor. God DID create sex so we could have fun with it. However, not the kind of fun you might be thinking. Sex is a beautiful and wonderful gift from God, and He wants us to enjoy it with the right person. (We all have different definitions about that sort of thing.) Sex is not evil, dirty or wrong. Sometimes, we humans make it that way.

On to contraception - I believe that God has given us many gifts with the advancement of technology. One of those gifts is contraception, so that we will not overpopulate His planet, to control disease, etc. I agree with Mandy on the Bible verse you quoted - I think Onan had a duty to impregnate that woman, and not doing so was a violation of what God wanted.

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Creating a child is such a personal and monumental decision in an individual’s life, I think that it is wrong for anyone to tell another if they can or can't use it. Having said that, I think that it is over marketed and more effort should be spent on encouraging unmarried individuals to abstain from sex. But after two people have covenanted in Marriage, I think that no one has the right to tell them whether or not they can us contraceptives.

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It's like I can tell the future-this is exactly what I was talking about in the last paragraph (not including the edit): if you're arguing about the validity of contraceptives within Biblical conventions, then too bad, the argument's about whether contraceptives are right or wrong, not whether or not they're right or wrong within the Bible, as I see no mention of the Bible in your first post:



That doesn't sound like you want to debate whether or not the Bible supports contraceptives. It sounds to me like an argument over whether or not contraceptives are right, and by its wording (and the fact that it was the thread starter) it is, meaning you were either being deceitful as to your true meaning, or are now trying to change the subject (in this case, the argument) upon my having pointed out that you have nothing when you exit Biblical conventions. And I have no objection to calling that cowardly.

"more effort should be spent on encouraging unmarried individuals to abstain from sex. "

Why?

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Well, even though (some) contraceptives are effective in protecting against STD's and preventing pregnancy, abstinence is 100% effective..

Like I said earlier, though, I really can't take a side in this..

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I know that it must be difficult for a teenager that has issues with any sort of moderation to understand the concept of externalities and consequences, but it is my belief (and not an unfounded one) that one should not engage in procreation, unless a pregnancy would be an acceptable outcome... for the child and adults. Like I said before, I think that contraceptives are fine to use in a marriage, but if you do not want to create a child, then don't engage in procreation... seems pretty straight forward to me. If one wants to engage in procreation, then one should be prepared for the consequenses of doing so.

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I believe in people being more responsible with having intercourse. But I think that's taking it to the extreme, and I don't think people have the right to make that decision for other people, and "encouraging" against it is in a small way infringing on that right.

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How is telling people not to have sex infringing on their right to do so? PLEASE explain..

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By that reasoning it would be wrong to encourage people to do anything. Abstinence is not only a intrinsic healthy lifestyle, but it also helps people bond with their spouse when they choose to settle down and make decisions about things bigger than themselves, like whether or not to have a baby.

... does this mean I get to say your opinion is invalid?

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