"Protestant or Die" Games

Snailmail · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:14 am

There is a crazy video game called "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" and I have to say, it sounds awful. It's about being Christian, and making everyone else not only cristian, but your type of christianity.

Here is a qoute from Talk2Action.com about it...

Quote:

Imagine: you are a foot soldier in a paramilitary group whose purpose is to remake America as a Christian theocracy, and establish its worldly vision of the dominion of Christ over all aspects of life. You are issued high-tech military weaponry, and instructed to engage the infidel on the streets of New York City. You are on a mission - both a religious mission and a military mission -- to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians. Your mission is "to conduct physical and spiritual warfare"; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice.

And what's worse, is the game acts serious about it, like they really want you to. In the website they talk about the game seriously.

Not only that, this game contains spyware.
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/6/21/23153/9497

Discuss.

Inverse Tiger · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:54 am

Yeah, because we were totally supposed to take the military metaphors in the apocalyptic books literally. Jesus didn't mean any of that stuff about loving enemies or they who live by the sword die by it... :rolleyes:

Why do these people think that establishing a worldly order that forces Christian morals on everyone is going to solve anything? There's this thing about human nature. If you force something, even a good thing, there will be an opposing reaction. If you force, in the end your goal will be further off than when you started. If people try to force Christian values, the next generation will cast them off with a vengeance. Christians are just supposed to live THEIR lives right, realize this world isn't gonna get perfect any time soon, if ever, and act as good examples for everyone. GOD will take care of the rest.

Jerks.

Alberto · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:46 am

This reminds me of two things:

1. "Bible Blaster", the video game that Ned Flanders' kids play.
"Convert the heathens!"

2."Ethnic Cleansing"(Uuhg!).

Enough said.

Alexander · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:44 pm

"But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." -Matthew 5:44

I don't think I need to say anything else.

PianoManGidley · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:12 pm

Since when did Fred Phelps make a video game? This is worse than that "Sodom and Gomorrah" movie coming out soon that essentially shows homosexuality as being a "choice," and how "wrong" it is.

ramrod · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:13 pm

So, you have to convert peole to Christianity, including the Catholics? We catholics are christians! Catholics were around before the protestants! It's not like we believe in a different god!

Sorry, but games like this severly push my buttons.

PianoManGidley · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:18 pm

ramrod wrote:

Sorry, but games like this severly push my buttons.

Is that the ABXY buttons, or more like WASD buttons? Or is it actually left and right triggers?

Sorry...I couldn't resist...and I know what you mean about Catholocism--it really irks me that Protestants can be as stupid as to accuse Catholics of not being Christian. Wow. So does this game specify a denomination of Christianity to which we're supposed to convert? Or is just anything that's full of prejudice and bigotry against anyone who doesn't think exactly like the makers of the game?

lahimatoa · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:47 pm

Wow, what a horrible idea for a game. Sounds a lot like radical Isalm... except the Qu'ran really does have passages calling for the world to be converted to Islam by the sword.

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:55 pm

lahimatoa wrote:

Wow, what a horrible idea for a game. Sounds a lot like radical Isalm... except the Qu'ran really does have passages calling for the world to be converted to Islam by the sword.

You think thats horrible?
Super Columbine Massacre RPG!
Thats worse, but in an Awesome sorta way, yet very bad, but slightley cool, yet terribly horrifying, yet strangley fun....

StrongCanada · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:27 pm

While I agree that this game is HORRIFIC and an insult to humanity, to me, it's just as bad as some games like GTA.

Mike D · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:43 pm

I'd love to see Jack Thompson's response to this one.

Mike

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:58 pm

Mike D wrote:

I'd love to see Jack Thompson's response to this one.

The religious nutjerky would probably praise it.

Snailmail · **Posted:** Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:43 am

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:

You think thats horrible?
Super Columbine Massacre RPG!
Thats worse, but in an Awesome sorta way, yet very bad, but slightley cool, yet terribly horrifying, yet strangley fun....

I saw that. A long time ago It's not worse all together... but yeah. I decided to look around the forums of their website, expecting people to be spamming it in every part "U r mking lite ov tis avent" and stuff like that, but it turned out, not only did they all love the game, but apparently some say they "worship REB and VoDka," yup, that's pretty wierd.

Canadian Person wrote:

While I agree that this game is HORRIFIC and an insult to humanity, to me, it's just as bad as some games like GTA.

I agree with you on that. I've played GTA at a friends house, and... it's a lot like this game sounds, if you take out the religous stuff.

Didymus · **Posted:** Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:43 am

I suppose I'd fall in that "Moderate Mainline Christian" category, do I guess I'm a target, too.

Tim LaHaye really needs to get a clue. I've never read any of his books, but from what I hear, after the second one, the rest of them are nothing but boring recaps anyway, and basically the same plot over and over again.

But I do have a question for LaHaye, or for that matter, anyone who subscribes to his theology: where exactly does the Bible say that the Church will be taken out of the world some years BEFORE Jesus' Second Coming? The Bible I read says the rapture will occur AT the Second Coming, not before.

ramrod · **Posted:** Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:24 am

Beyond the Grave wrote:

Mike D wrote:

I'd love to see Jack Thompson's response to this one.

The religious nutjerky would probably praise it.

I dunno, it is a violent game. Remember he's lawyer, not a minister, like Robertson.

Parakeet05 · **Posted:** Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:25 am

After doing some research, I've come to the conclusion that the premise of the game is not

Quote:

to remake America as a Christian theocracy, and establish its worldly vision of the dominion of Christ over all aspects of life.

or

Quote:

to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians. Your mission is "to conduct physical and spiritual warfare"; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice.

the only time Talk2Action.com actually quoted the makers was the part about conducting "physical and spiritual warfare." Other than that, it's just them saying what they think it is.

Don't get me wrong, if the above were actually the premise of the game, I would be so mad I could eat a baby. But I think that Talk2Action.com is really spinning it.

I would encourage others to reaserach this game using information from the makers of the game and other reliable sources. If I'm wrong, I'd like to know so I can start looking for a baby...

Mr. Sparkle · **Posted:** Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:25 am

Mike D wrote:

I'd love to see Jack Thompson's response to this one.

*Jack Thompson implodes*

Mockingbird · **Posted:** Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:45 am

Didymus wrote:

But I do have a question for LaHaye, or for that matter, anyone who subscribes to his theology: where exactly does the Bible say that the Church will be taken out of the world some years BEFORE Jesus' Second Coming? The Bible I read says the rapture will occur AT the Second Coming, not before.

I'm pre-trib, actually. I don't feel like getting into a religious debate at 10p.m., but I'll look up and post some verses tomorrow.

In any case... this whole thing sounds insane.

Also, believe it or not, Thompson has spoken out against the game, saying that LaHaye has compromised his beliefs. I think it's on the Thompson wiki article... I'll get it tomorrow, after a cup of coffee. :homsar:

Didymus · **Posted:** Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:53 am

Actually, I'll save you the trouble, Mockingbird. There is no reference anywhere in Scripture that explicitly states that there will be a so-called "pre-trib" rapture.

Mockingbird · **Posted:** Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:58 am

To be tired and blunt, I disagree.

I'll post on it tomorrow. Wait, that might deserve another thread, as it would be horrendously off topic in here.

Edit: *brakes* Alright, logic and memory are starting to kick in now. You are correct, it doesn't state it explicitly.

However, I deduct a pre-tib rapture from a series of events and applied logic.

Anyways, I'll make a thread on it tomorrow because, as I said before, it would be horrendously off topic in here.

Also, I care about it, but it isn't explicit. Therefore, because I don't believe that it's a black and white issue, I think that you could believe that the rapture will be before, during, or after, and still be a genuine Christian.

It's more of a puzzle to me than anything else.

EveryoneLovesStevenRight? · **Posted:** Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:25 am

Alberto wrote:

This reminds me of two things:

1. "Bible Blaster", the video game that Ned Flanders' kids play.
"Convert the heathens!"

2."Ethnic Cleansing"(Uuhg!).

Enough said.

My friend actually bought this game without knowing what racism was xD
That game was horrible.. as in.. crappy.. and just disgusting..

PianoManGidley · **Posted:** Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:36 am

EveryoneLovesStevenRight? wrote:

Alberto wrote:

This reminds me of two things:

1. "Bible Blaster", the video game that Ned Flanders' kids play.
"Convert the heathens!"

2."Ethnic Cleansing"(Uuhg!).

Enough said.

My friend actually bought this game without knowing what racism was xD
That game was horrible.. as in.. crappy.. and just disgusting..

Wait...how does ANYONE who is old enough to have money and purchase a video game for themselves not already understand the concept of racism?

Chekt · **Posted:** Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:44 am

ramrod wrote:

So, you have to convert peole to Christianity, including the Catholics? We catholics are christians! Catholics were around before the protestants! It's not like we believe in a different god!

Sorry, but games like this severly push my buttons.

Yeah, I am Catholic and I was thinking the same thing. I mean we are still Christians.

Didymus · **Posted:** Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:49 am

Mockingbird wrote:

To be tired and blunt, I disagree.

I'll post on it tomorrow. Wait, that might deserve another thread, as it would be horrendously off topic in here.

Edit: *brakes* Alright, logic and memory are starting to kick in now. You are correct, it doesn't state it explicitly.

However, I deduct a pre-tib rapture from a series of events and applied logic.

Anyways, I'll make a thread on it tomorrow because, as I said before, it would be horrendously off topic in here.

Also, I care about it, but it isn't explicit. Therefore, because I don't believe that it's a black and white issue, I think that you could believe that the rapture will be before, during, or after, and still be a genuine Christian.

It's more of a puzzle to me than anything else.

The Pre-Trib Rapture is contradicted by this passage:

St. Paul wrote:

For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words - 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

Now according to this passage, the sequence of events is as follows:
1. Jesus Christ's Return.
2. The Resurrection of the Dead.
3. The Rapture.

And just so we're clear on the exact timing of this,

St. John wrote:

"For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day" - 6:40

So, if the Resurrection of the Dead happens on the Last Day, and is then followed by the Rapture, how can there be a period of tribulation AFTER the Rapture?

For more information as to why I do not subscribe to LaHaye's end times doctrine, you may see the following theological resources:
The End Times - A Study on Eschatology and Millennialism (CTCR)
A Lutheran Response to the "Left Behind" Series (CTCR)

ramrod · **Posted:** Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:13 pm

OK, guys? Let's take the rapture somewhere else. Feel free to make a thread about it.

sb_enail.com · **Posted:** Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:35 am

Hmm, the Wikipedia article doesn't say anything about killing people who advocate separation of church and state, or homosexuals, Muslims, Catholics or anything of that nature. It just talks about battling the forces of the Antichrist. Hmm, why am I not suprised that a liberal website is completely misrepresenting information in an attempt to make religion look bad?

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