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 Post subject: Unconfirmed report reports Osama bin Laden dead
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:13 pm 
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Apparently he's died of typhoid. I think the timing of this report is too coincidental for it to be true. But it's possible, of course. Saudi security officials have publicized this, which can also be taken into consideration. What are your opinions?

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I think if Bin Laden is really dead, than we can recall all our troops in Iraq & Afghanistan, since that's apparently why we're there in the first place. We won...in a way.

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 Post subject: Re: Unconfirmed report reports Osama bin Laden dead
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Apparently he's died of typhoid. I think the timing of this report is too coincidental for it to be true. But it's possible, of course. Saudi security officials have publicized this, which can also be taken into consideration. What are your opinions?


Personally, I don't know that it matters. Much like my response to criticisms of Clinton "We had Bin Laden in our sights and he said no!", I don't know that this makes much difference. One jerk dies, another takes his place. The only reason I want(ed) to see Bin Laden is so that he can face trial for the wicked things he's done. Of course, his death of "natural causes" could play out more favorably for us than a death at the hand of an executioner. Typhoid doesn't make you a martyr.

Of course, this could all be a ruse. Saudi security officials may have been fooled. Definitive proof would be nice.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:51 pm 
Eh, I'm kinda sceptical, I dunno why. I just think he might still be alive.
As Sree said, it would just be a minor setback for them, Ayman al-Zawahiri would most likely take his place.


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Hmm...interesting. I don't totally believe since it hasn't been confirmed, but if it's true, there is still no way in hell that Bush would recall the troops. It's just not in his character.

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Hmm...interesting. I don't totally believe since it hasn't been confirmed, but if it's true, there is still no way in hell that Bush would recall the troops. It's just not in his character.


He wouldn't recall them because there's no reason. to. Just because your "leader" dies doesn't mean you're just gonna stop being a terrorist. Terrorism is still a threat, whether or not Bin Laden is dead.

Plus, we need to finish making a stable government in Iraq. But that's for a different thread.


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Even if Bin Laden is dead we can't just withdraw from Iraq. The region is currently so destabilized it would undoubtedly descend into even greater chaos without our military presence. Even more Iraqis would suffer and die as partisan violence spreads completely unchecked, and there are good odds that a violent extremist group would win out in the conflict. In addition, the price of oil would almost certainly rise...even skyrocket. When the price of oil rises the entire world economy suffers for it.

Yes, we are the ones who destabilized the region. However, if we made a mess of things it is now our responsibility to clean it up.

The idea of Bin Laden as "leader" of al-Qaeda is a bit misleading. He is not the absolute central authority. Al-Qaeda is a very loose organization to say the least. It is divided into numerous cells and subgroups, some of which have very little communication with each other or with Bin Laden. The great majority of these groups are fully capable of acting independently. The idea of Bin Laden as international mastermind with complete control over his secret soldiers is fairly well off target. This is not to say he's not an important figure, or that he should be ignored, but his influence should not be overestimated.

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You know, I hope this rumour isn't true, in a way. Because for all he's done, Bin Laden should be dragged to a courtroom to face a lengthy and humiliating trial. Before dying in obscurity in some lonely prison cell. After being shivved by some big guy called Rocco.

Uh-huh. I'm allowed the occasional revenge fantasy once in a while.


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You know, I hope this rumour isn't true, in a way. Because for all he's done, Bin Laden should be dragged to a courtroom to face a lengthy and humiliating trial. Before dying in obscurity in some lonely prison cell. After being shivved by some big guy called Rocco.

Uh-huh. I'm allowed the occasional revenge fantasy once in a while.
Wouldn't happen, even if they did put him in a U.S. prison, Al-Qaeda would break him out in a second.

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What's Her Face wrote:
You know, I hope this rumour isn't true, in a way. Because for all he's done, Bin Laden should be dragged to a courtroom to face a lengthy and humiliating trial. Before dying in obscurity in some lonely prison cell. After being shivved by some big guy called Rocco.

Uh-huh. I'm allowed the occasional revenge fantasy once in a while.

I love you.. Er, umm.. wait..

I would rather Osama not die at our hand. That whole long, humiliating trail sounds like a good idea. Forget Rocco shivving him, I think it'd be a lot funnier for one of the dudes in gen. pop. to add Osama to his harem. (yes, I made a prison rape joke).

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I love you.. Er, umm.. wait..


Say that twice more and we'll be offically forum-married. :mrgreen:

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I think it'd be a lot funnier for one of the dudes in gen. pop. to add Osama to his harem. (yes, I made a prison rape joke).


Yeaaaaaaah, revenge fantasies are oh-so-fun.

Ahem. Anyway. Toastpaint.


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Wouldn't happen, even if they did put him in a U.S. prison, Al-Qaeda would break him out in a second.


You don't have much faith in A)our airport security and/or B) our prison security, do you? No, they'd put him in one of those CIA prisons. I doubt that even an entire expose of the prison by The New York Times would help him.

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Mr. Sparkle wrote:
Wouldn't happen, even if they did put him in a U.S. prison, Al-Qaeda would break him out in a second.


You don't have much faith in A)our airport security and/or B) our prison security, do you? No, they'd put him in one of those CIA prisons. I doubt that even an entire expose of the prison by The New York Times would help him.
No, I think we are underestimating Al-Qaeda.

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StrongRad wrote:
I love you.. Er, umm.. wait..


Say that twice more and we'll be offically forum-married. :mrgreen:


I wanna get forum married :P

Anyways... I really hope he's dead..

Thatd' B AWESXOM!!oneelvety!!!

I know its not right for me to say that.. but he caused so much death and war... HE DESERVES IT...

Anyway...Here's something totally and completely different



Pants.

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Well, this is sure gonna get on my nerves. At the rate things are going, we may never know if he's dead or alive. In the next few decades it'll just be clawing at me...."I wonder whatever happened to that bin Laden guy....." I'd rather him just be dead or alive.


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Well, this is sure gonna get on my nerves. At the rate things are going, we may never know if he's dead or alive. In the next few decades it'll just be clawing at me...."I wonder whatever happened to that bin Laden guy....." I'd rather him just be dead or alive.

After hearing some loudmouth on CNN yesterday (I have no clue who it was, but he sounded like a liberal Bill O'Reilly), I can't help but wonder if this was some sort of ruse. He was going on about how "Since we know Bin Laden's dead, we should bring all of the troops home. The war on terror is obviously not about terror, otherwise Bush would have ordered all of the troops home immediately! Makes you wonder if he has some other kind of agenda, doesn't it?". :rolleyes:
Fortunately for the anti-Bush/anti-war people, most of you are smarter than that.

Regardless, the death of Bin Laden would do little to stop terrorism. First, Al Qaeda is not the only terrorist organization in the world. Second, if Osama does/did die, it's not like there's not some line of scumbags to replace him. Unfortunately, you can't stop terrorism by killing "the boss". The real world is not a video game.
It seems like the only way to stop terrorism is to kill EVERY terrorist. I wish there were another way, I REALLY do (I don't support killing, but sometimes, you gotta do what you gotta do), but when someone's sole purpose is to destroy an entire way of life, it's not likely that they can be talked out of it.

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I totally agree, StrongRad. When Al-Zarqawi died, it did absouletly nothing to hurt terrorism. Also, if Osama Bin-Laden was killed by Clinton, wouldnt Al-Zarqawi or some other guy take his place? Killing Al-Qaedas leader doesnt do anything, you gotta kill Al-Qaeda itself.

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I concur, Sree. Bin Laden and Al Zarqawi are/were not much more than figureheads anyways. They don't have a huge part in brainstorming/carrying out the plans.


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Second, if Osama does/did die, it's not like there's not some line of scumbags to replace him. Unfortunately, you can't stop terrorism by killing "the boss".
Tell that to Dubya. ;)

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Second, if Osama does/did die, it's not like there's not some line of scumbags to replace him. Unfortunately, you can't stop terrorism by killing "the boss".
Tell that to Dubya. ;)

He knows. Believe me, he knows. That's why he went into Iraq. That's why he made the "I really don't care about Bin Laden" statement that people have ripped him to shreds over.

Eliminating terrorism isn't something you can do halfway. It's like an infection. Either you kill it all, or you might as well not even try.

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