Anyone get the toy hammer yet?

I've been in the Final Smash quite a few times, and I've probably only died once or twice from it. It's also possible to avoid being placed into the pot, though I haven't found out exactly how yet (I've managed to get out of it several times).

I'd be willing to ban hearts. Tomatoes, I dunno. Recovering 50% is actually a lot different than recovering 100%. Both of these seem to be extremely rare, anyway.

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Did you misunderstand? I was using Kirby as an example. Cook sucks, it almost never gets kills. The items are cool sometimes but other times they're pointless.

Whoopsie...sorry about that. I thought you were fully disagreeing with my previous statements.

Tournament rounds will be at least best 2 out of 3 to decide the winner of a particular match-up. Perhaps more for the final round. The first round is considered "neutral", with a random simple stage such as Smashville or Yoshi's Island, one that won't screw anyone over. Non-broken items may be on during the neutral rounds, we'll have to discuss that further.

The loser of the first round than gets to "counterpick" the second. He can select any stage he wants for his advantage (aside from a few stages we may agree to ban) and choose whether to have items on or off. Certain people work better with the random element of items, certain people work better without. Plus certain characters, expecially fast characters with few finishing moves like Meta Knight and Pit, benefit a lot from them.

If he loses again, he's out. If he wins, then its the other person's turn to counterpick the stage and items for the third deciding round.

Sounds fair? I think letting the individual people choose their settings within the tournaments will give a more enjoyable experience for everyone, and you'll have to adapt to win overall.

As for banning items, I agree that a few are simply too gamebreaking for any sort of competition, such as Heart Containers. I actually have a list from another tournament-planning webiste (not SmashBoards) of potential banned and safe items I could bring up and you guys want.

Why not forever?

CONSIDERED BROKEN (banned)
Heart Container
Golden Hammer
Timer

POTENTIONALLY BROKEN (further discussion needed)
Final Smashes (Keep them for the reasons I mentioned earlier)
PokeBalls (Ban; it's not worth the risk of those crazy-powerful Pokemon, especially if we're banning assist trophies.)
Hammer (Ban; while they're easier to stop this time around, they still are pretty easy to kill with.)
Ray Gun (Keep; they can juggle people quite a bit, but it should be somewhat easy to escape from.)
Cracker Launcher (Keep; while blind firing can lead to an easy win with this, it is quite easy to lose hold of it.)
Smart Bomb (Keep; most people I've seen use this end up getting caught in the explosion, as well.)
Deku Nut (Keep)
Bumper (Ban; they are quite powerful when compared to their N64 counterparts)

Oh oh oh hey guys here's a CRAZIE idea: You can't use the same character twice in each match. You need to use a different character in each round. How awesome would that be.

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I fight for my friends.

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Fixed

Here's the list. I've added some commentary to explain a few of them.

CONSIDERED BROKEN (banned)
Maxim Tomato (Like I said, 50% is not really that much. Characters are stronger this time around. But it's everyone's call here.)
Dragoon (while great for free for alls, these are terrible in 1v1 matches) (Said why previously; getting all three pieces is tough. It IS possible to avoid, too)
Starman (Anyone should be able to run away for a while)
Assist Trophies (have a bit too many super strong characters that chase you down, like Waluigi, so you can't really avoid them very well in a battle; plus ones like Devil and Nintendog are just lame) (Idk I just really like these)
Containers (no way to turn off exploding ones without turning them all off)
Explosive Crates (For both: If you don't want to explode don't hit them)
Mega/Mini Mushroom (can run into someone from offscreen by surprise and really effect the match) (Most of the time you should be able to avoid it. Most people realize the risk of Mini Mushrooms and won't take it out of fear anyway)
Bob-Omb (You mean like a walking Bomb-Omb? Run away or hit them with a projectile)

Also, the counter Pick thing won't work. This game works on a vote system, so there's only a 50/50 the counterpick will be chosen. I'm sure not all of us have instant messengers next to our Wiis, so we can't tell our opponents what stage we want. The only way it could work is if both people logged off, ran up to their computers, discuss the next stage, and both pick it. That would just make the tournament more painfully long and confusing than it already is.

Oh oh oh hey guys here's a CRAZIE idea: You can't use the same character twice in each match. You need to use a different character in each round. How awesome would that be.

I like this idea. Monthly tournaments perhaps?

I like it. Remember, though, we still have to beat up the Fanstuff Forum.

Thanks for clearing this up.

CONSIDERED BROKEN (banned)
Maxim Tomato (Like I said, 50% is not really that much. Characters are stronger this time around. But it's everyone's call here.)
Dragoon (while great for free for alls, these are terrible in 1v1 matches) (Said why previously; getting all three pieces is tough. It IS possible to avoid, too)
Starman (Anyone should be able to run away for a while)
Assist Trophies (have a bit too many super strong characters that chase you down, like Waluigi, so you can't really avoid them very well in a battle; plus ones like Devil and Nintendog are just lame) (Idk I just really like these)
Containers (no way to turn off exploding ones without turning them all off)
Explosive Crates (For both: If you don't want to explode don't hit them)
Mega/Mini Mushroom (can run into someone from offscreen by surprise and really effect the match) (Most of the time you should be able to avoid it. Most people realize the risk of Mini Mushrooms and won't take it out of fear anyway)
Bob-Omb (You mean like a walking Bomb-Omb? Run away or hit them with a projectile)

I was thinking about this as well. Counterpicking is a good idea but it might make it more complicated than it needs to be.

That'd be pretty cool. It'd play to my strengths as I don't have a main, but am good with a bunch of people. But I think some people would get angry so I'll see what everyone thinks.

That's it! After the forum tourney, we could challenge the Fanstuff and KB.

Yes yes yes plz

Do they even have a central off-topic area where you could set up and discuss something like this?

No offense, Josh, but you're starting to seem like this kid my brothers hang out with that complains everything we do to him in Smash Bros. is cheap.

And I want to kill that child.